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Official Madden '13 Xbox 360 Online Franchise Thread: A chance to develop a dynasty!
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Wait what? What's that?
Luke just informed me that it is illegal to use a blitzing linebacker manually? As in the play I call has said linebacker blitzing, I manually control and use him patiently to watch the QB since said QB had been rushing on me when he didn't want to throw, and thus picking up very solid rushing yardage. So I have to let him blitz and allow the QB to step up for free rushing yards? And by patient I mean that I don't cross the line of scrimmage.
Yeah you cannot come after the QB till he clears the pocket/leaves the tackle box. Not sure what the rules are on play action, but it's probably something that means you can rush if it's PA
How would anyone ever be able to tell though what the initial play call was for that linebacker if it's being manually controlled? Seems impossible to prove or say otherwise. They could be in coverage but are being used to blitz right away, or vice versa.
Don't control a LB that's going to blitz, problem solved!
Wait wait wait. I can't control him, but I can switch him to spy? lololol
Any other stupid rules I should know about that no one would ever know to, or could, enforce?
TheDrizzlerJ11
Member
It isn't difficult to see some1 user blitzing.. especially when they'll be getting constant pressure on your qb.
What are you smoking?
Any player on your team that is going to blitz should not be controlled by you. It's obvious to see someone manually blitz you, you have a cursor on the player you're controlling, it's not like you can play dumb & say it was the cpu. You can blitz rushing plays & PA plays, what are you not understanding here?
So you are saying you can't manually blitz as a player even if they are preset from the start of the play as blitz? You just have to leave your blitzes up to the AI gods? That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Especially in a league where people are somehow racking up ridiculous sack numbers like they did last year. Wtf are you smoking, Ram?
You honestly can't see how people would abuse the OL AI if they were able to manually come in with a LB at the start of every play?
I completely agree about the sack numbers, DL play should have been banned years ago. (but FMT is a pussy!) I've seen enough people snake around my OL and not be touched to know that feel.
Sorry that this is only my second Madden game I've played. I don't know all the ins and outs like the rest of you, but how am I supposed to know some of these rules? I've controlled my LBs like that since last year.
No one caught it until tonight when Luke played me. And last I checked, there are a decent amount of people near my skill level who probably wouldn't recognize someone doing that.
No one caught it until tonight when Luke played me. And last I checked, there are a decent amount of people near my skill level who probably wouldn't recognize someone doing that.
Lol fuck off. I've had my fair share of bullshit in this league so far. Games have been crazy close for the most part even when I have a turnover difference of +3. I fumble at least once a game, I get sacked at least 3 times (all happen within a second if the guy is in the backfield off the snap cause no one blocks), and passes that have worked in previous years get picked at an incredibly high rate this year.
On defense, I send about 4-5 people a play. Not all the time, but with the plays I have in this playbook, it's like I have to. When I do zone, my defenders will play the guy infront of them. Its nice but still gives up to many yards a play. In man, they dont play close enough on certain cuts (come back routes, zag routes, and alot of times they are late on in and outs which gives the receiver/tight end a short window). The only time I'm using a guy is when the ball is caught and I switch to pursue. Its not like Im manually playing my CBs or safeties and just blowing cover.
This isn't me. I've been in the middle of the pack every year up until this season. I think I would be maybe 3-5/4-4 or something along those lines right now in some of these games.
On defense, I send about 4-5 people a play. Not all the time, but with the plays I have in this playbook, it's like I have to. When I do zone, my defenders will play the guy infront of them. Its nice but still gives up to many yards a play. In man, they dont play close enough on certain cuts (come back routes, zag routes, and alot of times they are late on in and outs which gives the receiver/tight end a short window). The only time I'm using a guy is when the ball is caught and I switch to pursue. Its not like Im manually playing my CBs or safeties and just blowing cover.
This isn't me. I've been in the middle of the pack every year up until this season. I think I would be maybe 3-5/4-4 or something along those lines right now in some of these games.
DCX
DCX
There is definitely a lack of understanding on my part in terms of the pass trajectories. I made good reads against CB that he just makes perfect plays on D.
The only pass that was a deep IMO was on a come back where he had a defender in a purple zone. Which is perfectly called due to an earlier TD I burned him on the same play.
If I had any semblance of a running game I feel I would be playing better. As it stands, I will be ultra competitive against like opponents but can't touch an elite right now.
DCX
The only pass that was a deep IMO was on a come back where he had a defender in a purple zone. Which is perfectly called due to an earlier TD I burned him on the same play.
If I had any semblance of a running game I feel I would be playing better. As it stands, I will be ultra competitive against like opponents but can't touch an elite right now.
DCX
it was listed in the rules in last year's thread. I'm not one of the better players but I would recognize it, don't you pay attention to who your opponent is controlling on defense? If no one complained about it before then it was probably because you weren't having much success with it.
DCX
DCX
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Well if we're trying to help - thhere are two true reasons why I don't take many sacks and they have nothing to do with having two interior linemen with 90+ PBK as some may lead you to believe:
1) I am wholly obsessed with setting up protections before I snap the ball, hence my QBs excessively yelling "TIGER, TIGER". I try to shade toward the best pass rusher, be it a dl or lb. I max protect, keep additional blockers, whatever it takes.
2) I don't know what you guys do regarding progressions during pass plays but I like to set up my plays as conditional routes, not as waiting to see what's open. Having played so long it's easy to see the difference in coverages so I set up my play as something like if cover 2 hit "A" button receiver, if man hit "X" button receiver, if blitz hit "R B" button receiver. Doing that I know right at the snap who's going to be open and I don't have to work through progressions, just get the ball out. If I play someone who can user cover well, I start trying to hurt them with combo routes and other trickeration.
I hope that helps somebody.
1) I am wholly obsessed with setting up protections before I snap the ball, hence my QBs excessively yelling "TIGER, TIGER". I try to shade toward the best pass rusher, be it a dl or lb. I max protect, keep additional blockers, whatever it takes.
2) I don't know what you guys do regarding progressions during pass plays but I like to set up my plays as conditional routes, not as waiting to see what's open. Having played so long it's easy to see the difference in coverages so I set up my play as something like if cover 2 hit "A" button receiver, if man hit "X" button receiver, if blitz hit "R B" button receiver. Doing that I know right at the snap who's going to be open and I don't have to work through progressions, just get the ball out. If I play someone who can user cover well, I start trying to hurt them with combo routes and other trickeration.
I hope that helps somebody.
This is the reason I feel I throw so many interceptions. I try to read defenses like it's a real life football game, that's what's fun to me. So if I see a linebacker one on one with a TE or a CB bite on first move or stacked zones over the middle I try to attack those coverages accordingly. That used to work pretty well. The last few seasons not so much, and I think it's because of the importance of speed in coverage. You can be totally out of position, you can bite first more, you can trail a route by 4 yards and still make up for all of that with speed. Laurinitis covers numbers to numbers without too much trouble, a fast corner can jump an out no matter how bad they are beat as long as they stay on the same plane. I spent so much time watching film and learning how to properly read a defense that even now, 10 years since playing any organized football, I can't break the habit of properly reading a defense and force myself to "madden read" defenses.
That and I always throw at whichever defender is being manually controlled because it used to cause hilarity.
This is what also happens to me. I see my TE have an open gap between the LB and FS so I attempt to throw. I guess I wait to long because the ball will be thrown into the zone that the FS is covering rather than in the gap that the TE has created. It may be my timing for a lot of my interceptions. I see a gap and I throw, instead of throwing into the gap. Like yesterday, Garcon was doing a post play and I saw a gap. I threw the ball immediately on that cut. Instead of the ball being in the gap between the CB and the FS, the ball was leading Garcon into the FS's zone, where Ike made a pick.
A lot of the interceptions are my fault but I know that I am not forcing passes. I see a gap and I throw but unfortunately the ball is lead into contested territory.
As for protection against sacks, I ALWAYS call for a shift in my line. RGIII yell's TIGER TIGER atleast 3-4 times a play. My Right Guard's and Tackles are just awful in the pass. I've been sacked the the most on the right side. And it's like I don't even have a chance.
DCX
DCX
This.
Its hard to play Madden without understanding Madden. You almost have to throw out logic and break yourself of that mindset. I have said before some players are great because they know Madden inside out. AI logic rather than defensive or offensive logic in football.
Reading the D is really what Wellie said. In any given play there are three possible options on the three possible ways to defend. Zone beater..man beater and blitz beater.
The way to beat it is make the right read and throw to the right beater. On D, disguise the man/zone/blitz to counter the beater reads. That's it. Easy as that. The problem is breaking yourself from playing "football" and learning Madden.
DCX
DCX
DCX
I don't buy that knowing more about football hurts you. The best Xs and Os guys here do really well.
Yeeeep. Same here. If I have to max protect, then I will!
Here's how it breaks down:
You can control a linebacker at any time even if he is assigned to blitz EXCEPT when it is a straight up passing play. Any time before the snap is fine too. If you want to audible him to a spy so you can just hover there, that's gravy.
I always thought that you had to peel off on PAs, but FMT says the QB is fair game at that point.
You can take control of the LB/CB/Safety if they have already crossed the LOS. If you want to finish the play because he's an idiot, go ahead.
You can take control and/or rush the QB outside the tackle box at any point. The second he leaves the box, he's fair game.
Why do we do it? The AI is retarded at engagement rules vs manual blitzers especially when they aren't assigned blitzes.
Yeeeep. Same here. If I have to max protect, then I will!
Here's how it breaks down:
You can control a linebacker at any time even if he is assigned to blitz EXCEPT when it is a straight up passing play. Any time before the snap is fine too. If you want to audible him to a spy so you can just hover there, that's gravy.
I always thought that you had to peel off on PAs, but FMT says the QB is fair game at that point.
You can take control of the LB/CB/Safety if they have already crossed the LOS. If you want to finish the play because he's an idiot, go ahead.
You can take control and/or rush the QB outside the tackle box at any point. The second he leaves the box, he's fair game.
Why do we do it? The AI is retarded at engagement rules vs manual blitzers especially when they aren't assigned blitzes.
Oh, no, that's not what I'm claiming at all. I just can't make myself adjust to madden. I can for like a drive or two per game at best. I see a guy who bites or who is beaten or who by design is out of position so I attack it but don't factor in Madden logic.
Shit still works. There are like 10 Madden players* that break the rules and use magic (until the rookie class hits). Enjoy it while it lasts!
*10/11 of the starting defense for the 9ers!! I keed, I keed.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
Who is the one loser?! Soapoaga?!
Patrick Willis! Scruuuuuuuuuuuuub. I'll take him off your hands for my entire draft and starting offense.
I feel like some people hesitate too much. Any corner is gonna recover if you wait long enough. People are throwing well after the breaks. That's another tip! Throw on the breaks. Get your timing right, sheeples!
Also, I feel that the corners are more retarded than ever. That's why some of you throw the hook/comeback all day. But I'm prepared for that now! >:|
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
You already have pwill jr.... McClain!
Ditch the zero and get with the hero. Play NHL! All Madden hope is lost.
You think I have any hope in NHL? I am just the worst at everything!
But I will definitely play some NHL tonight. I think I'm going to take a nap when I get home if no one wants to play Madden. It'll help me out so I can stay up a bit later and chill/play with madden bros.
DCX
DCX
I'll scrim you. Rors is right about the timing on the routes. You almost have to throw it before the break and have them break mid air. The one play against CB I called the perfect pass play..got seperation on the break but I threw to late. He switched on and made the user pick. I think if I threw pre break I would have completed it and he would have been late on the user pick.
DCX
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Well for one, Laurinaitis has a 76 SPD rating. It's not a matter of him covering the whole field, I guessed right in where I set up his zone.
Second, what I said isn't "Madden". It's football. Visit this page and listen to the 10/2 interview Franceser did with Victor Cruz. Cruz goes in depth on one play in the game, but it's a microcosm of some offenses around the league that are set up entirely as If (coverage)/Then (route) options. I'd argue that a lot of guys who are unsuccessful in this league are the ones that try and play it as more of a video-game and less of a football game (Crow excluded).
Yeah at times you will get screwed, but if you play with sound football fundamentals you should be in very good shape.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
Thursday. I have approved fake punts in any situation for your game with LJ
how do any of us/you make the jump to assuming you have any real football iq to begin with?
The same assumptions you make with anyone else having football IQ? Oh right lol I throw picks, I must not know anything about football. smh