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[FrenchMovieTheme]

Madden isn't 100% realistic but there are fundamentals of real football that can help here. And most league members have played madden for years. There are no surprises as to how the AI will "react" to a given situation.

But people continue to have ridiculous turnovers. People would rather throw an int instead of taking a sack or throwing the ball away. Some ints are ridiculous but most of them are legit. We asked for people to pay for bad throws and now we have it

 

[TheCrow]

Well for one, Laurinaitis has a 76 SPD rating. It's not a matter of him covering the whole field, I guessed right in where I set up his zone.

Second, what I said isn't "Madden". It's football. Visit this page and listen to the 10/2 interview Franceser did with Victor Cruz. Cruz goes in depth on one play in the game, but it's a microcosm of some offenses around the league that are set up entirely as If (coverage)/Then (route) options. I'd argue that a lot of guys who are unsuccessful in this league are the ones that try and play it as more of a video-game and less of a football game (Crow excluded).

Yeah at times you will get screwed, but if you play with sound football fundamentals you should be in very good shape.

Uhh, thanks I guess. I should really try to learn a little about actual football. Would probably help me from being confused when I face certain zone defenses.

 

[Birdman02]

Well said. And it's so stupid and annoying to have to try and play that way.

I don't think you have to play that way (especially in this league setting)...I think a lot of guys choose to play that way. With you in particular, that's evident when I see Tyrod Taylor as your starting QB (at least he was in your simmed game). You should be picking people apart with Flacco, especially when people have to respect Ray Rice in the running game. I haven't played you yet this year, but I get the impression you're trying to play Madden instead of playing football....maybe I'm wrong though.

Crow is one of the few people in this league that have sustained success with a "gimmick" offense. Just to clarify, I'm not saying his entire offense is a gimmick, but he makes the QB running and option game work pretty well.

 

[Smokey]

I'd argue that a lot of guys who are unsuccessful in this league are the ones that try and play it as more of a video-game and less of a football game (Crow excluded).

i just saw this

was this a mini shot? or a compliment

i cant decide

 

[Splat]

:jnc

Donny Moore ‏@Donny_Moore

PW, Bowman, Aldon, Brooks = Best Madden Linebacker Unit in Madden history? All 4 SF LBs getting boosts this week in #madden13 roster update

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

:jnc

Donny Moore ‏@Donny_Moore

PW, Bowman, Aldon, Brooks = Best Madden Linebacker Unit in Madden history? All 4 SF LBs getting boosts this week in #madden13 roster update

Time to restart this bitch!

 

[eznark]

how do any of us/you make the jump to assuming you have any real football iq to begin with?

From playing football and being taught how to read a defense and watch film. I'm by no means an expert and get fooled all the time but I at least have a working knowledge.

 

[TheCrow]

Crow is one of the few people in this league that have sustained success with a "gimmick" offense. Just to clarify, I'm not saying his entire offense is a gimmick, but he makes the QB running and option game work pretty well.

Josh Johnson hasn't played QB since my game against Ram. I would love to have him as my starting QB but as long as I have Peyton I'll have no choice but to bench him. I think my current offense is anything but gimmicky. I run the ball consistently even if it doesn't work and try to set up my pass off of that. Once Peyton is gone and I have my type of RBs, I'll finally be able to experiment with my offense.

 

[Wellington]

:jnc

Donny Moore ‏@Donny_Moore

PW, Bowman, Aldon, Brooks = Best Madden Linebacker Unit in Madden history? All 4 SF LBs getting boosts this week in #madden13 roster update

49er linebackers now:

After the next update:

PWill is the Invisible Woman.

 

[Sokantish]

Alright, WHO wants to play a community game with me right now and tell me how to play defense while in game. Think how fun that could be!

 

[Trasher]

Here's how it breaks down:

You can control a linebacker at any time even if he is assigned to blitz EXCEPT when it is a straight up passing play. Any time before the snap is fine too. If you want to audible him to a spy so you can just hover there, that's gravy.

I always thought that you had to peel off on PAs, but FMT says the QB is fair game at that point.

You can take control of the LB/CB/Safety if they have already crossed the LOS. If you want to finish the play because he's an idiot, go ahead.

You can take control and/or rush the QB outside the tackle box at any point. The second he leaves the box, he's fair game.

Why do we do it? The AI is retarded at engagement rules vs manual blitzers especially when they aren't assigned blitzes.

Thanks for this.

 

[Splat]

Most of my football knowledge started from Madden before I was an actual football fan

 

[eznark]

Alright, WHO wants to play a community game with me right now and tell me how to play defense while in game. Think how fun that could be!

I would love to but my power went out. I was going to play hockey all day! Fuckers.

 

[Smokey]

I would love to but my power went out. I was going to play hockey all day! Fuckers.

you work from home?

 

[Birdman02]

Josh Johnson hasn't played QB since my game against Ram. I would love to have him as my starting QB but as long as I have Peyton I'll have no choice but to bench him. I think my current offense is anything but gimmicky. I run the ball consistently even if it doesn't work and try to set up my pass off of that. Once Peyton is gone and I have my type of RBs, I'll finally be able to experiment with my offense.

Since I haven't played you yet this year, I was basing the gimmicky comment on what you did with Tebow in the 1st couple of seasons of '12....and how you were actually upset that the Broncos traded him away and signed Peyton. I know you had a solid running game last year even without Tebow.

If I were the Broncos, I would've been miserable with Tebow, because I am almost strictly a pocket passer.

 

[eznark]

Sometimes. Since my wife is basically ready to go into labor any day now I try to as often as I can.

 

[Sokantish]

Yeah I work from home too

 

[eznark]

Yeah I work from home too

Are you a professional chili chef?

 

[Sokantish]

Well, I wouldn't call myself a professional chili chef. I prefer Master Chili Chef. Really though it isn't specific to chili, I can make a mean hot dog too. Check this out, you combine those two, chili dogs.

 

[Sanjuro]

All I want today is chilli and Hardees.

 

[Wellington]

Well, I wouldn't call myself a professional chili chef. I prefer Master Chili Chef. Really though it isn't specific to chili, I can make a mean hot dog too. Check this out, you combine those two, chili dogs.

You definitely got me laughing. Epic post.

Didn't you beat me like 27-13? No need for you to practice your defense.

 

[TheCrow]

Since I haven't played you yet this year, I was basing the gimmicky comment on what you did with Tebow in the 1st couple of seasons of '12....and how you were actually upset that the Broncos traded him away and signed Peyton. I know you had a solid running game last year even without Tebow.

If I were the Broncos, I would've been miserable with Tebow, because I am almost strictly a pocket passer.

It upset it me in the sense that I was fine with Tebow at QB so I would've preferred that they spent that money elsewhere. And I guess you have a point about Tebow last year but I like to think that I was a pocket passer more often then not. While Tebow was a threat to run I didn't run plays with that in mind. It was always my last option unless I faced zone. Of course I could be remembering incorrectly and I'm sure Ram has different thoughts on that too. But then again I play Ram differently since his defense is unique.

 

[Trasher]

Walking my dog and seeing the fake twitter thing describe my o line as being non existent against the Lions makes me a sad panda. I'm afraid to look at the box score and see how bad they got ravaged.

Sorry I missed this post last night.

Was 24-7. I got three sacks in a row at the end I think when your team was trying to throw some deep balls. I was in quarters formation rushing three lol. Your team's single touchdown came from a fumble return. I think Wilson had some pretty rough stats.

 

[Mrbob]

Who was the dudebro in NHL last night who thought Xcom was a Call of Duty type game, which started on PS2?! You need a Gears of War avatar friend!

 

[McNei1y]

If I were the Broncos, I would've been miserable with Tebow, because I am almost strictly a pocket passer.

See, I think I still use this mentality even though I have RGIII. As I said earlier, I've never known what was cheese with a scrambling back because I never used one... but I always faced guys like Tebow and Vick. Ever since I said that a few weeks ago, I've moved with RGIII more but still not as much as I should. After being down to Ram by like 12 in the 4th quarter, I decided to just use RGIII's legs on that possession. It worked really well. I managed to rush for like 40 yards and move the ball down the into scoring range. Unfortunately, I threw my 5th pick of the game when my receiver was on the edge of the endzone. It was definitely a dumb pass but I didn't have anywhere to go.

Also, I don't mind scrambling but I don't really want to rely on it. For example: I want to pass in the pocket because the Skins may not have had RGIII. If that was the case, then I'd be getting sacked 2x more than I have now!

 

[Sokantish]

You definitely got me laughing. Epic post.

Didn't you beat me like 27-13? No need for you to practice your defense.

We all know community games are different so you may have a point about me needing to practice my defense in that situation I guess but it would be nice for someone to point out what I'm doing wrong. I also got pretty lucky, I promise you that. I usually give up AT LEAST 30 points. I think the madden gods were smiling on me that day.

 

[eznark]

Who was the dudebro in NHL last night who thought Xcom was a Call of Duty type game, which started on PS2?! You need a Gears of War avatar friend!

Sanjuro

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Throw the ball away. Unless it was a desperation 4th down chuck

 

[TheCrow]

or take the sack trying to scramble and kick a field goal.

 

[Sanjuro]

Who was the dudebro in NHL last night who thought Xcom was a Call of Duty type game, which started on PS2?! You need a Gears of War avatar friend!

How does that qualify me for dudebro? Nobody described the game to me!

 

[LukeSmith]

All I want today is chilli and Hardees.

I think Bob's restaurant is open today

 

[Sokantish]

I think I described it perfectly to you, personally.

 

[Sanjuro]

I think I described it perfectly to you, personally.

Well that was after the fact. Apparently there is a 3rd person variant of XCOM being made anyway, so there!

 

[Trasher]

Throw the ball away. Unless it was a desperation 4th down chuck

I've finally started to learn how to throw it away. Doing it at first was like fighting against every fiber of my being. I just have to realize that it is possible to have all of my WRs covered on some plays.

 

[Mrbob]

Boston craziness sinking in. That talk was the best! Sanjuro dudebro 4 lyfe!

McNeily joked about me treating the football like its my precious, but it really is the case. I'm trying to fathom how some players have 30+ ints already. I've thrown my share of ints in the past (Usually an average of 15 to 20 a year), but the final season last year and into this season I'm making a point of emphasis to take care of the ball. It's tough to do because it requires a lot of discipline. There are certain times when the defense will just have your offensive pass play beat. In these situations you need to learn to take a sack or throw it away. Forcing the ball will more often than not lead to an interception. Especially in Madden 13 where man coverage is tighter than ever. Live to play another down or punt the ball away. It's much harder to go 70 to 80 yards for a TD score than 20 to 30.

 

[Birdman02]

It upset it me in the sense that I was fine with Tebow at QB so I would've preferred that they spent that money elsewhere. And I guess you have a point about Tebow last year but I like to think that I was a pocket passer more often then not. While Tebow was a threat to run I didn't run plays with that in mind. It was always my last option unless I faced zone. Of course I could be remembering incorrectly and I'm sure Ram has different thoughts on that too. But then again I play Ram differently since his defense is unique.

Now that I think about it, I don't really remember you doing anything out of the ordinary in the few games we've played...other than just a really good running game. My impression of your offense may be based mostly on Ram's complaints.

McNeily, I think your situation is a little different. I'm pretty sure RGIII has the attributes to be an excellent pocket passer, if you wanted to only play that way, but that would be a waste of his running ability. I think the QB cheese comments come from when people sprint straight to the sideline or immediately take off running after the snap. If you're running based on reads or whatever, I doubt anyone would complain.

 

[LukeSmith]

Passing windows are tighter this year and CBs cover more ground on All-Madden and holding Y almost always delivers a pick on All-Madden (I'm only specifying because I have basically no All-Pro sample size, it could be the same).

With respect to passing windows you almost have to throw them early and anticipate the break. Some of outside comebacks have the distinct property of lighting up the receiver icon at the moment you should throw, or there's a slight window ahead of it.

Unfortunately, more than years past, the game speed in practice and the game speed online are really different so working on a play over and over in practice against different coverages is only going to help you learn to read, it's not going to help your actual timing.

 

[Sanjuro]

It's true. There just aren't enough games that get me excited anymore + age + etc.

I think that I mentioned before, I go to PAX East now yearly to get hyped about at least something. This year there is really just Halo 4 that I'm looking forward to. Everything else has been pushed back into 2013.

Maybe Ass Cred: Dropkick Murphy's Edition.

 

[Sokantish]

Okay I'm not asking anymore, I'm demanding someone play against me and to yell at me when I do something wrong

 

[Mrbob]

Okay I'm not asking anymore, I'm demanding someone play against me and to yell at me when I do something wrong

I'm too busy flipping burgers right now to play.

Aka most of us are working! Go get a job, slacker!

 

[levious]

The same assumptions you make with anyone else having football IQ? Oh right lol I throw picks, I must not know anything about football. smh

that's not what I meant, sorry if it sounded like a dig.


I just meant what do any of us really know that is comparable to a qb making reads at the pro level. Sorry if I insulted those of you who played in school.

Now I am certainly mediocre myself, but the few times I've played you live, just seems like you WAY overthink the game. To the point where I'll make a dummy audible just to see if you make a significant shift/adjustment off of it. And you hardly keep someone in the backfield to help block. Chip block routes, whatever they're called, seem pretty useless to me in this game for purposes of protection.

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

Forza Horizon and Halo are the only games on my list this year. Might end up getting Borderlands though.

Okay I'm not asking anymore, I'm demanding someone play against me and to yell at me when I do something wrong

Lets do it, let me eat ham sandwich real quick tho. And through all the criticism just remember, I have never even won the AFC East, but that's because of my offense not my defense.

 

[Trasher]

I'm still throwing lots of INTs (I'm pretty much throwing one INT for every TD so far), but I'm gonna be nowhere close to my INT numbers from last year with Flacco. At least I'm heading in the right direction. =/ I feel like the total control passing gives me a little too much confidence sometimes.

 

[Sokantish]

I'm too busy flipping burgers right now to play.

Aka most of us are working! Go get a job, slacker!

Jobs are for poor people!

 

[McNei1y]

McNeily, I think your situation is a little different. I'm pretty sure RGIII has the attributes to be an excellent pocket passer, if you wanted to only play that way, but that would be a waste of his running ability. I think the QB cheese comments come from when people sprint straight to the sideline or immediately take off running after the snap. If you're running based on reads or whatever, I doubt anyone would complain.

Oh I mean RGIII is a freak. He's got all 80 attributes for short/medium/deep as well as being a fast runner. I just think given the fact that he has incredible speed, I want to become a great passer. It's just unlucky because I have a HORRIBLE right side on my offensive line (well they're weakest thing is pass blocking). I can evade some blitzez, but I'll start running like its no ones business to avoid them even more because I am just getting rushed and blitzed way too much than I should be.

Passing windows are tighter this year and CBs cover more ground on All-Madden and holding Y almost always delivers a pick on All-Madden (I'm only specifying because I have basically no All-Pro sample size, it could be the same).

With respect to passing windows you almost have to throw them early and anticipate the break. Some of outside comebacks have the distinct property of lighting up the receiver icon at the moment you should throw, or there's a slight window ahead of it.

Unfortunately, more than years past, the game speed in practice and the game speed online are really different so working on a play over and over in practice against different coverages is only going to help you learn to read, it's not going to help your actual timing.

Passing windows are definitely tighter. That's my main problem and reason for throwing so many picks. In the past years, I was able to pass. I mean I was nowhere near this bad and I had Ponder last year. I need to just get used to this and stop whining.

The other thing, though, my defense took a big hit with this ballhawk rather than manually playing D. I finally got used to playing LB about two years ago. I was managing to strafe, play zone, and interrupt passing routes. This year it just seems so whacky, for me. My MLB pass coverage is downright awful! Then the CB CPU botch so many plays and it was seen last night.

 

[Trasher]

What is Impact Blocking?

 

[McNei1y]

What is Impact Blocking?

I still don't know. I always wanted to avoid asking but since you asked, yeah... what is it?

What's more important? Strength, IB, etc?

 

[TheDrizzlerJ11]

Jobs are for poor people!

Invite me

 

[CB3]

This is turning into a 5th grade Sex Ed class. Amazing.

 

[Sokantish]

What's your xbox live name?