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Official Madden ps4 Off-Season Thread: A Dota for all seasons

CB3

intangibles, motherfucker
49er fans complaining about ratings after the last 3 years?

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DJ Bowser

Member
who is mario alford? i understand he had a fast 40 time, but if thats the case then a ton of guys should be in the 90's (including torrey smith!). i think his cousin or brother is on the ratings team
It seems like they forgot to nerf the speed on rookies and second-year no-name players.

Philip Dorsett has a 96 speed. Odell Beckham who ran a 4.43 is only a 92 speed (I think)?

If Alford is a 97, Jeff Demps who ran track in the Olympics better be a 99.
 
Only 4 LBers have a speed of 90+

Code:
Steelers 	Ryan	Shazier	MLB	92
Vikings 	Brandon	Watts	ROLB	91
Vikings 	Anthony	Barr	LOLB	91
Titans 	Nate	Askew	ROLB	90
Patriots 	Dekoda	Watson	ROLB	89
Eagles 	Mychal	Kendricks	MLB	89
Texans 	Reshard	Cliett	MLB	89
Titans 	Zach	Brown	MLB	89
Titans 	Zaviar	Gooden	MLB	89
Broncos 	Von	Miller	LOLB	89
Jaguars 	Telvin	Smith	ROLB	88
Raiders 	Malcolm	Smith	ROLB	88
Seahawks 	Kevin	Pierre-Louis	ROLB	88
Browns 	Darius	Eubanks	MLB	88
Seahawks 	Bobby	Wagner	MLB	88
Bengals 	Marquis	Flowers	LOLB	88
Buccaneers 	Kwon	Alexander	ROLB	87
Falcons 	Marquis	Spruill	ROLB	87
Lions 	Julian	Stanford	ROLB	87
Steelers 	Bud	Dupree	ROLB	87
Texans 	Jadeveon	Clowney	ROLB	87
Chiefs 	D.J.	Alexander	MLB	87
Jets 	Demario	Davis	MLB	87
Rams 	Daren	Bates	MLB	87
Saints 	Stephone	Anthony	MLB	87
Bengals 	Jayson	DiManche	LOLB	87
Raiders 	Khalil	Mack	LOLB	87
Saints 	Davis	Tull	LOLB	87
Seahawks 	Bruce	Irvin	LOLB	87
Seahawks 	Mike	Morgan	LOLB	87
49ers 	Eli	Harold	ROLB	86
Bears 	Cornelius	Washington	ROLB	86
Buccaneers 	Larry	Dean	ROLB	86
Chargers 	Jeremiah	Attaochu	ROLB	86
Eagles 	Brandon	Hepburn	ROLB	86
Rams 	Korey	Toomer	ROLB	86
Browns 	Chris	Kirksey	MLB	86
Cardinals 	Daryl	Washington	MLB	86
Patriots 	Eric	Martin	MLB	86
Raiders 	Ben	Heeney	MLB	86
Rams 	Bryce	Hager	MLB	86
Bills 	Randell	Johnson	ROLB	85
Buccaneers 	Lavonte	David	ROLB	85
Giants 	Jonathan	Casillas	ROLB	85
Packers 	Nick	Perry	ROLB	85
Redskins 	Trevardo	Williams	ROLB	85
Broncos 	Corey	Nelson	MLB	85
Cardinals 	Sean	Weatherspoon	MLB	85
Eagles 	Najee	Goode	MLB	85
Falcons 	Allen	Bradford	MLB	85
Ravens 	Arthur	Brown	MLB	85
Vikings 	Eric	Kendricks	MLB	85
Bills 	Nigel	Bradham	LOLB	85
Browns 	Barkevious	Mingo	LOLB	85
Buccaneers 	Jason	Williams	LOLB	85
Chiefs 	Dee	Ford	LOLB	85
Jaguars 	LaRoy	Reynolds	LOLB	85
Panthers 	Adarius	Glanton	LOLB	85
Vikings 	Edmond	Robinson	LOLB	85
49ers 	Corey	Lemonier	ROLB	84
Bengals 	Chris	Carter	ROLB	84
Bills 	Tony	Steward	ROLB	84
Panthers 	Shaq	Thompson	ROLB	84
Bears 	Jon	Bostic	MLB	84
Broncos 	Lamin	Barrow	MLB	84
Browns 	Tank	Carder	MLB	84
Browns 	Hayes	Pullard	MLB	84
Chiefs 	James-Michael	Johnson	MLB	84
Chiefs 	Ramik	Wilson	MLB	84
Cowboys 	Andrew	Gachkar	MLB	84
Eagles 	Brad	Jones	MLB	84
Packers 	Jake	Ryan	MLB	84
Panthers 	Luke	Kuechly	MLB	84
Ravens 	C.J.	Mosley	MLB	84
Redskins 	Will	Compton	MLB	84
Redskins 	Adam	Hayward	MLB	84
Seahawks 	Brock	Coyle	MLB	84
Texans 	Jeff	Tarpinian	MLB	84
Titans 	Wesley	Woodyard	MLB	84
Buccaneers 	Bruce	Carter	LOLB	84
Cardinals 	Shaquille	Riddick	LOLB	84
Patriots 	Darius	Fleming	LOLB	84
Raiders 	Neiron	Ball	LOLB	84
Redskins 	Jackson	Jeffcoat	LOLB	84
Texans 	Benardrick	McKinney	LOLB	84
Texans 	John	Simon	LOLB	84
Titans 	Deiontrez	Mount	LOLB	84
Bears 	Shea	McClellin	ROLB	83
Bengals 	Vincent	Rey	ROLB	83
Broncos 	Shane	Ray	ROLB	83
Chiefs 	Josh	Martin	ROLB	83
Cowboys 	Mark	Nzeocha	ROLB	83
Dolphins 	Jelani	Jenkins	ROLB	83
Dolphins 	Jordan	Tripp	ROLB	83
Falcons 	Justin	Durant	ROLB	83
Lions 	DeAndre	Levy	ROLB	83
Patriots 	Dont'a	Hightower	ROLB	83
Raiders 	Sio	Moore	ROLB	83
Saints 	Ronald	Powell	ROLB	83
Bears 	DeDe	Lattimore	MLB	83
Bills 	Ty	Powell	MLB	83
Broncos 	Brandon	Marshall	MLB	83
Chargers 	Kavell	Conner	MLB	83
Eagles 	Jordan	Hicks	MLB	83
Falcons 	Paul	Worrilow	MLB	83
Jaguars 	Jeremiah	George	MLB	83
Lions 	Tahir	Whitehead	MLB	83
Patriots 	Jerod	Mayo	MLB	83
Saints 	Ramon	Humber	MLB	83
Titans 	Avery	Williamson	MLB	83
Bengals 	Emmanuel	Lamur	LOLB	83
Chiefs 	Justin	Houston	LOLB	83
Cowboys 	Keith	Rivers	LOLB	83
Dolphins 	Zach	Vigil	LOLB	83
Jets 	Trevor	Reilly	LOLB	83
Patriots 	Jamie	Collins	LOLB	83
Rams 	Alec	Ogletree	LOLB	83
Cowboys 	Sean	Lee	ROLB	82
Panthers 	A.J.	Klein	ROLB	82
49ers 	NaVorro	Bowman	MLB	82
Bengals 	Rey	Maualuga	MLB	82
Chargers 	Donald	Butler	MLB	82
Chargers 	Curtis	Grant	MLB	82
Chargers 	Denzel	Perryman	MLB	82
Chiefs 	Derrick	Johnson	MLB	82
Eagles 	Emmanuel	Acho	MLB	82
Falcons 	Nathan	Stupar	MLB	82
Packers 	Clay	Matthews	MLB	82
Packers 	Joe	Thomas	MLB	82
Patriots 	Dane	Fletcher	MLB	82
Saints 	Jerry	Franklin	MLB	82
Steelers 	Sean	Spence	MLB	82
49ers 	Aaron	Lynch	LOLB	82
Chargers 	Colton	Underwood	LOLB	82
Cowboys 	Kyle	Wilber	LOLB	82
Dolphins 	Chris	McCain	LOLB	82
Eagles 	Connor	Barwin	LOLB	82
Eagles 	Marcus	Smith	LOLB	82
Giants 	Devon	Kennard	LOLB	82
Jaguars 	Khairi	Fortt	LOLB	82
Packers 	Adrian	Hubbard	LOLB	82
Panthers 	Thomas	Davis	LOLB	82
Titans 	Kaelin	Burnett	LOLB	82
49ers 	Aldon	Smith	ROLB	81
Bills 	A.J.	Tarpley	ROLB	81
Broncos 	DeMarcus	Ware	ROLB	81
Chargers 	Melvin	Ingram	ROLB	81
Giants 	J.T.	Thomas	ROLB	81
Raiders 	Ray Ray	Armstrong	ROLB	81
Ravens 	Za'Darius	Smith	ROLB	81
Redskins 	Preston	Smith	ROLB	81
Texans 	Whitney	Mercilus	ROLB	81
Titans 	Jonathan	Massaquoi	ROLB	81
Titans 	Brian	Orakpo	ROLB	81
Vikings 	Josh	Kaddu	ROLB	81
49ers 	Nick	Moody	MLB	81
Bears 	Sam	Acho	MLB	81
Buccaneers 	Khaseem	Greene	MLB	81
Chiefs 	Josh	Mauga	MLB	81
Jaguars 	Paul	Posluszny	MLB	81
Jets 	David	Harris	MLB	81
Panthers 	David	Mayo	MLB	81
Ravens 	Zachary	Orr	MLB	81
Saints 	Dannell	Ellerbe	MLB	81
Steelers 	Terence	Garvin	MLB	81
Texans 	Mike	Mohamed	MLB	81
Colts 	Jonathan	Newsome	LOLB	81
Falcons 	Brooks	Reed	LOLB	81
Falcons 	O'Brien	Schofield	LOLB	81
Lions 	Kyle	Van Noy	LOLB	81
Packers 	Nate	Palmer	LOLB	81
Redskins 	Ryan	Kerrigan	LOLB	81
Steelers 	Arthur	Moats	LOLB	81
Bengals 	P.J.	Dawson	ROLB	80
Cardinals 	Markus	Golden	ROLB	80
Chargers 	Kyle	Emanuel	ROLB	80
Panthers 	Kevin	Reddick	ROLB	80
Rams 	Akeem	Ayers	ROLB	80
Vikings 	Chad	Greenway	ROLB	80
Bears 	Christian	Jones	MLB	80
Bengals 	A.J.	Hawk	MLB	80
Bengals 	Nico	Johnson	MLB	80
Broncos 	Steven	Johnson	MLB	80
Cardinals 	Glenn	Carson	MLB	80
Colts 	Jerrell	Freeman	MLB	80
Colts 	Amarlo	Herrera	MLB	80
Cowboys 	Rolando	McClain	MLB	80
Cowboys 	Damien	Wilson	MLB	80
Dolphins 	Kelvin	Sheppard	MLB	80
Eagles 	Kiko	Alonso	MLB	80
Packers 	Carl	Bradford	MLB	80
Redskins 	Keenan	Robinson	MLB	80
Texans 	Brian	Cushing	MLB	80
Broncos 	Lerentee	McCray	LOLB	80
Cowboys 	Anthony	Hitchens	LOLB	80
Packers 	Jayrone	Elliott	LOLB	80
Steelers 	Jordan	Zumwalt	LOLB	80
Bengals 	Sean	Porter	ROLB	79
Browns 	Nate	Orchard	ROLB	79
Dolphins 	Spencer	Paysinger	ROLB	79
Eagles 	Brandon	Graham	ROLB	79
Seahawks 	K.J.	Wright	ROLB	79
Texans 	Jason	Ankrah	ROLB	79
49ers 	Philip	Wheeler	MLB	79
49ers 	Michael	Wilhoite	MLB	79
Browns 	Karlos	Dansby	MLB	79
Colts 	Henoc	Muamba	MLB	79
Cowboys 	Jasper	Brinkley	MLB	79
Jets 	Jamari	Lattimore	MLB	79
Lions 	Travis	Lewis	MLB	79
Raiders 	Curtis	Lofton	MLB	79
Redskins 	Perry	Riley Jr.	MLB	79
Steelers 	Lawrence	Timmons	MLB	79
Steelers 	Vince	Williams	MLB	79
Texans 	Max	Bullough	MLB	79
Texans 	Akeem	Dent	MLB	79
Colts 	Cam	Johnson	LOLB	79
Cowboys 	Cameron	Lawrence	LOLB	79
Patriots 	Jonathan	Freeny	LOLB	79
Ravens 	Courtney	Upshaw	LOLB	79
Saints 	Kasim	Edebali	LOLB	79
Steelers 	Anthony	Chickillo	LOLB	79
Eagles 	Bryan	Braman	ROLB	78
Giants 	Victor	Butler	ROLB	78
Jets 	Quinton	Coples	ROLB	78
Packers 	Andy	Mulumba	ROLB	78
Patriots 	Chris	White	ROLB	78
49ers 	Nick	Bellore	MLB	78
Bears 	Mason	Foster	MLB	78
Browns 	Craig	Robertson	MLB	78
Cardinals 	Darryl	Sharpton	MLB	78
Colts 	Nate	Irving	MLB	78
Eagles 	DeMeco	Ryans	MLB	78
Panthers 	Jason	Trusnik	MLB	78
Rams 	James	Laurinaitis	MLB	78
Redskins 	Ja'Gared	Davis	MLB	78
Redskins 	Martrell	Spaight	MLB	78
Saints 	David	Hawthorne	MLB	78
Vikings 	Audie	Cole	MLB	78
49ers 	Ahmad	Brooks	LOLB	78
Colts 	Daniel	Adongo	LOLB	78
Jaguars 	Dan	Skuta	LOLB	78
Rams 	Marshall	McFadden	LOLB	78
Texans 	Kourtnei	Brown	LOLB	78
Vikings 	Gerald	Hodges	LOLB	78
Colts 	Bjoern	Werner	ROLB	77
Saints 	Anthony	Spencer	ROLB	77
Steelers 	Joe	Kruger	ROLB	77
Vikings 	Michael	Mauti	ROLB	77
Bills 	Jimmy	Gaines	MLB	77
Buccaneers 	Danny	Lansanah	MLB	77
Cardinals 	Kenny	Demens	MLB	77
Cardinals 	Kevin	Minter	MLB	77
Chargers 	Manti	Te'o	MLB	77
Dolphins 	Koa	Misi	MLB	77
Giants 	Jameel	McClain	MLB	77
Jets 	Erin	Henderson	MLB	77
Ravens 	Albert	McClellan	MLB	77
Vikings 	Casey	Matthews	MLB	77
Bengals 	Sam	Montgomery	LOLB	77
Chiefs 	Frank	Zombo	LOLB	77
Colts 	Erik	Walden	LOLB	77
Jets 	Lorenzo	Mauldin	LOLB	77
Saints 	Junior	Galette	LOLB	77
Titans 	Derrick	Morgan	LOLB	77
Bengals 	Vontaze	Burfict	ROLB	76
Cardinals 	LaMarr	Woodley	ROLB	76
Jaguars 	John	Lotulelei	ROLB	76
Ravens 	Terrell	Suggs	ROLB	76
Bills 	Preston	Brown	MLB	76
Broncos 	Todd	Davis	MLB	76
Broncos 	Danny	Trevathan	MLB	76
Falcons 	Joplo	Bartu	MLB	76
Giants 	Jon	Beason	MLB	76
Ravens 	Daryl	Smith	MLB	76
Texans 	Justin	Tuggle	MLB	76
Bears 	David	Bass	LOLB	76
Bears 	Pernell	McPhee	LOLB	76
Browns 	Armonty	Bryant	LOLB	76
Chargers 	Cordarro	Law	LOLB	76
Colts 	Trent	Cole	LOLB	76
Lions 	Josh	Bynes	LOLB	76
Patriots 	Rufus	Johnson	LOLB	76
Redskins 	Trent	Murphy	LOLB	76
Chiefs 	Tamba	Hali	ROLB	75
Colts 	Robert	Mathis	ROLB	75
Jets 	Jason	Babin	ROLB	75
Rams 	Jo-Lonn	Dunbar	ROLB	75
Steelers 	Jarvis	Jones	ROLB	75
Broncos 	Reggie	Walker	MLB	75
Colts 	D'Qwell	Jackson	MLB	75
Lions 	Stephen	Tulloch	MLB	75
Bears 	Willie	Young	LOLB	75
Ravens 	Elvis	Dumervil	LOLB	75
Saints 	Hau'oli	Kikaha	LOLB	75
Bears 	Jared	Allen	ROLB	74
Browns 	Paul	Kruger	ROLB	74
Browns 	Scott	Solomon	ROLB	74
Chiefs 	Dezman	Moses	ROLB	74
Saints 	Parys	Haralson	ROLB	74
49ers 	Desmond	Bishop	MLB	74
Buccaneers 	Orie	Lemon	MLB	74
Packers 	Sam	Barrington	MLB	74
Panthers 	Ben	Jacobs	MLB	74
Bears 	Lamarr	Houston	LOLB	74
Cardinals 	Alex	Okafor	LOLB	74
Chargers 	Tourek	Williams	LOLB	74
Cardinals 	Matt	Shaughnessy	ROLB	73
Packers 	Mike	Neal	ROLB	73
Bills 	Andrew	Hudson	LOLB	73
Falcons 	Tyler	Starr	LOLB	73
Giants 	Mark	Herzlich	LOLB	73
Jets 	Joe	Mays	MLB	72
Packers 	Julius	Peppers	LOLB	72
Jets 	Ikemefuna	Enemkpali	ROLB	71
Titans 	Yawin	Smallwood	MLB	71
Jets 	Calvin	Pace	LOLB	71
Steelers 	James	Harrison	ROLB	69
Cardinals 	Lorenzo	Alexander	LOLB	65

It seems like they forgot to nerf the speed on rookies and second-year no-name players.

Philip Dorsett has a 96 speed. Odell Beckham who ran a 4.43 is a 92 speed I think?

If Alford is a 97, Jeff Demps who ran track in the Olympics better be a 99.

I don't know about 2nd year guys but yeah from what I read on PastaPadre they forgot to nerf rookies.

Jeff Demps isn't on the spread sheet.
 
how do you "forget" to nerf rookies? either:

a) you rated all the players in the game before the draft, nerfed them all, then did all the drafted players but forgot that you agreed to lower stats in general

or

b) uhhh... i can't think of any other explanation
 

DJ Bowser

Member
how do you "forget" to nerf rookies? either:

a) you rated all the players in the game before the draft, nerfed them all, then did all the drafted players but forgot that you agreed to lower stats in general

or

b) uhhh... i can't think of any other explanation
You also have linebackers as fast as WR's like Odell Beckham and TY Hilton. The little bit of analysis I've done has already been mind-boggling.

Hopefully all the rookies but Mariota get nerfed!
 

rando14

Member
wtf Google spreadsheets for the Madden list is such a piece of clit, why can't I sort or do fucking anything!! Am I crazy?! I'm losing my mind, Mariners threw a no hitter and I CANT FUCKING SORT ANYTHING IN THIS PIECE OF SHIT SPREADSHEET

*pppppppppuuuuuukes

EDIT: I regret this post
 

Splat

Member
For the last few years Donny's done all speed/accel ratings from combine/pro day times, it's why burfict still has an awful speed rating even though he's in shape now.

Alford ran a 4.27 at his proday.
 
wtf Google spreadsheets for the Madden list is such a piece of clit, why can't I sort or do fucking anything!! Am I crazy?! I'm losing my mind, Mariners threw a no hitter and I CANT FUCKING SORT ANYTHING IN THIS PIECE OF SHIT SPREADSHEET

*pppppppppuuuuuukes

EDIT: I regret this post

i couldn't sort it either!

For the last few years Donny's done all speed/accel ratings from combine/pro day times, it's why burfict still has an awful speed rating even though he's in shape now.

Alford ran a 4.27 at his proday.

i dont mind that someone is a 97 speed but considering where everyone else is, including guys in the NFL who have proven they can run extremely fast in the NFL during actual games, this is a bs rating
 
wtf Google spreadsheets for the Madden list is such a piece of clit, why can't I sort or do fucking anything!! Am I crazy?! I'm losing my mind, Mariners threw a no hitter and I CANT FUCKING SORT ANYTHING IN THIS PIECE OF SHIT SPREADSHEET

*pppppppppuuuuuukes

EDIT: I regret this post

The original link was posted as pure HTML, if you go here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pjjmmzN6Ps0xpVF9Aaw61FGEZAdJ969raUPqxRgi1Rg/ its a bit more manageable.

I saved the file off as an excel file and look at it in Numbers.
 

DJ Bowser

Member
Would be pretty dumb if they were using some sort of moving scale on what 85 speed was.
It would be. But it would make as much sense as having so many LBs be as fast as many WRs. I wonder if they altered the game physics and had to compensate for the changes by having some lopsided and idiotic ratings.
 
Is 85 Spd for a WR the same thing as 85 Spd for a LB?

At full speed, going in a straight line, probably.

But acceleration still matters, and I assume (meaning I'm probably wrong given the history of Madden ratings) that agility factors into things like change of direction.

Who knows though. I remember that football game I was working on, the designer came up with all these ratings and we had screens in the games that showed the players ratings, then I searched the code and realized that the ratings didn't DO anything. That problem was eventually rectified but given that a lot of the original stuff was pure dice rolls it took a significant amount of work to make it so the numbers had meaningful impact.

I won't even go into the nightmare that was player speed in that game.
 

brentech

Member
At full speed, going in a straight line, probably.

But acceleration still matters, and I assume (meaning I'm probably wrong given the history of Madden ratings) that agility factors into things like change of direction.

Who knows though. I remember that football game I was working on, the designer came up with all these ratings and we had screens in the games that showed the players ratings, then I searched the code and realized that the ratings didn't DO anything. That problem was eventually rectified but given that a lot of the original stuff was pure dice rolls it took a significant amount of work to make it so the numbers had meaningful impact.

I won't even go into the nightmare that was player speed in that game.

Just come clean. You're Donny Moore
 

eznark

Banned
Just picked up some limited edition small batch bourbon. Time to drink like a man, kids.

Let's play dota and listen to Avril
 
Lately more. I go on certain nights, get free shots and debauchery. Been a bit of a rough patch to be honest.

More often I prefer a night in, but socializing is fun.

I've never been one to chat it up with locals I don't know, but I sure do enjoy hearing about them from you.
 

Sanjuro

Member
I've never been one to chat it up with locals I don't know, but I sure do enjoy hearing about them from you.

I'm pretty sensible. I'm also a people watcher at these type of places. I hit it off with people I get along with, humor others, make enemies with ones that come to me aggressively. It's the bar experience.

Overall, I just like playing pool and talking sports.
 

eznark

Banned
feeding in a techies game right now and it won't end. Jesus. Guy picks techies, smokes into their jungle, hides in the trees and doesnt leave. This is fun
 
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