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Official Madden Season 11 Thread: The school books say it can't be here again!
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Ramirez said:
Who gives a fuck if I threw the ball 6 times? I got beat in the playoffs by a guy who threw the ball 6 times. DM threw the ball very little with this same team all season last year and I don't remember anyone complaining about that. Maybe Alstott was my leading rusher because every time I handed it to Williams he was eaten up by a defensive lineman for a loss? Nah that couldn't be it. Lets see.. Alstott = 4.6 ypc. Williams = -2.5 ypc. Gee Wally, which one should I rush with?
Nice job with the personal insults considering you or no one else here really knows me, and all of that is fucking irrelevant anyway. I knew going into the game that if I won you'd come to the boards whining about something. I didn't really expect you to flat out lie though, gj on that as well.
Thanks for the vote of confidence FMT, and I mean, the criticism of the game is coming from such an unbiased source. Just let me know exactly what rules I have broken or what I've done wrong because until then what the fuck CAN I say besides sour grapes? I didn't loop shit around any offensive lineman. Again, 1 instant sack for me, 1 for him. As soon as you let me know exactly what "cheesing with Alstott" is I will adapt and stop. The absolute only, only thing I might be guilty of is running up the score returning that last interception but who are we kidding, if given the chance Ramirez would have run 5 straight picks back against me and no one would have had a problem. I'm done with this, if you wanna boot me out because some people have problems with me and not my game go ahead but I'm tired of scratching my head wondering wtf I am doing wrong when I have broken zero rules and done nothing that was cheesy.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
i can only go based off of what your opponents tell me because i haven't played you. what would you like me to do? say "STFU AND GTFO!" to the players who have had complaints about your playstyle? players who have not complained personally about any other player despite losing in bigger blowouts? again i suppose it could feasibly be a mass conspiracy to have you booted from the league but i don't know about that.
i think for me personally it's not always a tangible "hey he did this!" as far as breaking the rules or playing cheesy, but just an overall culmination of little things that makes you say what the fuck dude. i got the same feeling playing vumpler in 07. did he "break" any rules? no. but playing him felt cheesy as fuck.
You find me one person I've run the score up on, or a person who has ever had a problem with my playstyle and I'll quit out of the league, simple as that! This isn't sour grapes friend, and I'm not lying. There's little either of us can do to prove the other wrong, but I'm not the one getting complaints sent my way constantly.
I'm done with you though, I asked not to even be scheduled against you, but figured I'd just play you anyways when I saw that I did get you, I knew you wouldn't let me down. If we should meet in the playoffs by some wild chance, consider it a free win because I'm not wasting my time.
I'm done with you though, I asked not to even be scheduled against you, but figured I'd just play you anyways when I saw that I did get you, I knew you wouldn't let me down. If we should meet in the playoffs by some wild chance, consider it a free win because I'm not wasting my time.
FrenchMovieTheme said:
For starters if all these people are apparently coming to you and voicing all of these opinions, why am I not getting any feedback? Seems pretty fucking lame to me that all of last season I get all of 1 person voicing an opinion about my play style and then with a couple weeks left in the season you tell me a lot of people have griped about the way I played. Well, thanks a lot. Kind of hard to stop a stereotype of negativity when I don't even know there is one there. I understand the cries from last season, I had 26 sacks with Rice in like 9 games and a gazillion yards with Walker. But all of it was stoppable and none of it was fucking cheese. If people feel that way there's not much I can do about that because so long as I am not breaking rules or abusing exploits why would I think I have done something wrong?
I took Tampa Bay knowing I could pound the hell out of the ball with them and then I wouldn't have to worry about "omg andos superstar WR LOLZ" and what happens? First game and someone is bitching about THAT as if running the ball up the middle with the FB is a fucking money play or something. Any time you want to play me you know my AIM handle and my GT is Andowsky. I will play you exactly the same way I play league games just like I did in our scrimmage last season, after which you had no gripes unless you kept them secret, kept them safe like apparently everyone else does.
Ramirez said:You find me one person I've run the score up on, or a person who has ever had a problem with my playstyle and I'll quit out of the league, simple as that! This isn't sour grapes friend, and I'm not lying. There's little either of us can do to prove the other wrong, but I'm not the one getting complaints sent my way constantly.
I'm done with you though, I asked not to even be scheduled against you, but figured I'd just play you anyways when I saw that I did get you, I knew you wouldn't let me down. If we should meet in the playoffs by some wild chance, consider it a free win because I'm not wasting my time.
Yea and that's my point, you know what the response will be so that makes it all the more easier to come and gripe about bullshit like looping defensive ends for 1 sack. And I didn't say you've run the score up on anyone, I said you would to me. But then again you kind of need the lead late in the 4th to do that. Now that is a line you can call me names for :lol
Andokuky said:
Contrary to what you want to believe I wouldn't have run the score up on you, I was fairly certain you did it to me just due to us not really getting along on here.
Not really following you Sick, are you saying I roll out too much? I rolled out 0 times in the game with Ando, and really don't recall ever rolling out much with Pitt. Explain please.
SickBoy said:Ramirez = too many rollouts.
Seriously, speaks volumes about need for spectator mode. Back in the PS2 days, I had the PS2 hooked up to my computer, and recorded games. Too bad I don't have that awesome technology at my behest now.
That's right, I said behest!
I wish you would have had video of when beat you with that PI call
There was speculation he was retiring at the press conference he held. but he never said retire. I think its still expected but not certain.
I told you guys to not allow IR players to play. But nooooooooooooooooo you guys had to go vote against it like idiots... just like the DE play poll. Shame...
I told you guys to not allow IR players to play. But nooooooooooooooooo you guys had to go vote against it like idiots... just like the DE play poll. Shame...
Andokuky said:
See, it's being a defensive prick with no wink or a nod that really pushes people's buttons with you, Ando. Folks joke about Konex all the time and his incessant rolling out or his controller-on-the-floor defense [both of those seem to be league memes and don't necessarily seem representative of how konex plays] but everyone agrees that he's a good dude.
Whether you are or not in real life is one thing, but in these threads you come across like a sniveling pre-teen. There's no hint of humor in the way you treat people [see: the way you write your little news stories on leaguedaddy vs. someone like FMT's, where you both say similar things, yet his is funny and yours come across as downright mean and douchey] and when you couple that with the way people feel when they play you [see: FMT's descripton of playing Vumpler], it makes you a bigger pain in the ass than is worth tolerating.
This is Seattle.
LukeSmith said:
Defensive prick :lol Thanks for the laugh guy.
I've played all of one game with you and judging from your attitude and behavior since, can't be bothered to know or care who the fuck you are yet for the last few months you've been all over me like I fucked your mother or something and never called her back. If you take my stories on LeagueDaddy as "downright mean" then that's your problem, not mine because I write them as a joke and nothing I said in either of them were "mean".
I've never had any serious beef with anyone here, at least not from my end anyway and again unless I'm provoked I keep my mouth shut and don't say shit to anyone that is sniveling or mean. I think I got off on the wrong foot with the "veterans" in my first season and never really had a chance after that but oh well, that was years ago and I don't really care now. 95% of what you typed has nothing to do with a game of Madden football between two people and the other 5%, the "cheese", is subjective at best and often times a bunch of bullshit. And your posts like the one above just prove me right about everything I just typed. But either way I stand by what I said. If FMT wants to boot me because people have too many pre conceived opinions about someone to play a game of football then oh well, go ahead. But it sure as fuck won't be for cheese or abusing exploits because I have done nothing wrong.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Uh what the fuck, Ramirez used Strahan and got a sack!? BAN HIS ASS.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
FMT,
How much, if any, have you played Ando? Might I suggest you play him with whatever team Ramirez was using and let Ando do whatever it is he is doing and just see for yourself. At first, I found the rift between him and Luke amusing, but now it has reached a poisonous stage that may lead to people having a bias against Ando before they even play him. I am trying to be diplomatic, and I think we need a calming voice in this storm. I suggest the commisioners play Ando and evaluate his play. If what he is doing is inappropriate, then boot him. However, if he is not, then the attacks on his play need to stop simply because it is ruining a pretty good thing with this league.
How much, if any, have you played Ando? Might I suggest you play him with whatever team Ramirez was using and let Ando do whatever it is he is doing and just see for yourself. At first, I found the rift between him and Luke amusing, but now it has reached a poisonous stage that may lead to people having a bias against Ando before they even play him. I am trying to be diplomatic, and I think we need a calming voice in this storm. I suggest the commisioners play Ando and evaluate his play. If what he is doing is inappropriate, then boot him. However, if he is not, then the attacks on his play need to stop simply because it is ruining a pretty good thing with this league.
sableholic
Member
DenogginizerOS said:
F that, I just want to see people getting booted.
No seriously though it is funny to read but also I mean you know what I'm going to think heading into my games with ando... "man do I really have to play this guy, wonder what cheese he'll pull on me". And you know what, he might pull some cheese on me who knows. What I do know is that I will be watching more closely than I would anyone else. As Denog said I have a preconceived bias towards Ando now. Thats not something I want and what if I start seeing cheese that isn't really cheese at all.
I'm not picking sides or saying he isn't a cheeser, cause frankly I have no idea having not played him.
What I do know is the stigma is there and at some point it will never go away, so something might need to change (doesn't necessarily mean booting him from the league but obviously that is one option). I mean even little things would help make people less pissed off at you ando. Like cut the highstepping crap. I know that pisses me off and yes players do do it in the nfl and yes it might be fun to do, but still.
I'm still of the mindset that if you have a int in the last 50 seconds or so and are up by a good chunk, you fall to the ground. In the nfl you see players fall on the ground after a int instead of trying to run it back. Little changes like that I think will go a long way to receiving less complaints. At some point it comes down to respecting your opponent.
Oh and one last thing, you used Alstott? This is why I voted no IR players, but since it lost I guess theres nothing wrong with it, but damn I didn't want to see alstott ever again.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Running up the score is one thing, but if your opponent at the end of the game is passing and throws a pick that could go back for six, then why not take it back? To me that means the guy is trying to get back in the game, and crazier shit has happened in this game, lets face it.
Unfortunately there is no way to see what these gus are doing for sure until there is a spectator mode. Even if FMT plays Ando again, who's to know that he'll play exactly like he plays everyone else? Also, not to sound like a dick because we all do it, but doesn't Ramirez complain after every loss like this?
Unfortunately there is no way to see what these gus are doing for sure until there is a spectator mode. Even if FMT plays Ando again, who's to know that he'll play exactly like he plays everyone else? Also, not to sound like a dick because we all do it, but doesn't Ramirez complain after every loss like this?
Well for what it's worth FMT scrimmaged me last season and I had Fifty on my schedule during the season and neither of them voiced anything directly to me. I had some very lucky games last year and a lot of interceptions returned for a touchdown and I had like 7 or 8 special teams touchdowns with Champ Jesus Bailey and I never once high stepped into the endzone. I did it one time last night against Ramirez because he's been a dick to me for no apparent reason for awhile and I decided to rub it in a little after I made a good play. I've never done it to anyone else and I never would, unless I get a breakaway score on Malley, assuming I make it that far in the season :lol
I will play anyone and open my game up to any criticism. My problem mostly is the fact that no one told me anything last season except Malley griping that I got a "bullshit sack" on him. Other than that the only thing I heard about was Javon Jesus Walker (which FMT himself said he didn't think I was cheesing with) and Simeon Rice (who was 100% entirely AI controlled all season until the last 2-3 games when I started controlling and got a whopping 0 sacks) and you know who that criticism came from? No one on my schedule that warranted such criticism. Only Luke, who I had already played, didn't have Rice on my roster, and didn't do anything shady with Walker. And I still find it hilarious that he told me I cheesed with Walker because I lined him up at RT WR and he wasn't "lockable". That was an honest mistake, I didn't know about that little flaw in the game and I never put him there after I found out about it.
Like I said last night, I don't think I did a single thing wrong in my game with Ramirez aside from maybe running up the score. And if that's what people think I did then I apologize. He threw a bad interception and Buchanon had nothing but open field ahead of him so I scored it. And that was something that was also, just for Ramirez. I wouldn't have done that with 50 seconds left against anyone else, except Luke of course. A minute or two left, probably, but not 50 seconds. If that's something that people consider classless or something I'll gladly stop. I think Ramirez was just very frustrated that he lost a game that judging by stats he thinks he probably should have won. I got 27 points off of big plays with only 1 sustained drive while he had 3 sustained drives into the red zone but couldn't cash in. His complaints simply don't stack up looking at stats or plain don't make sense. If I was so effective at stopping his play action by "looping" then the guy I was controlling would have had more than 1 sack. I got 1 sack that was BS because he did a play action rollout and that's what happens in this game sometimes if a guy is manually controlling an end. If you don't believe me try it for yourself. He got the exact same sack on me controlling Strahan.
Yes I used Alstott, I thought he was on IR and was fine to use because we voted it ok to use IR players. He hasn't retired, but a lot of you believe it is a forgone conclusion that he will so if it is the will of the league then it's no problem for me to bench him. The other FB is only rated 3 points lower so it's not like I had some huge advantage with Mike, although I don't know what weapons, if any, that they have. I don't know how pounding the ball up the middle with Alstott is "cheese" as Ramirez put it. I did it out of different formations and I tried to mix in runs to Cadillac that fed off of it (fake FB toss) but every time I gave him the ball he was chased down by a lineman. I didn't start to milk the clock until 4 minutes were left in the 4th quarter, he complained about that but it's in the rules and I didn't run the clock down to 1 or anything. Anyways thanks for the open minded input.
I will play anyone and open my game up to any criticism. My problem mostly is the fact that no one told me anything last season except Malley griping that I got a "bullshit sack" on him. Other than that the only thing I heard about was Javon Jesus Walker (which FMT himself said he didn't think I was cheesing with) and Simeon Rice (who was 100% entirely AI controlled all season until the last 2-3 games when I started controlling and got a whopping 0 sacks) and you know who that criticism came from? No one on my schedule that warranted such criticism. Only Luke, who I had already played, didn't have Rice on my roster, and didn't do anything shady with Walker. And I still find it hilarious that he told me I cheesed with Walker because I lined him up at RT WR and he wasn't "lockable". That was an honest mistake, I didn't know about that little flaw in the game and I never put him there after I found out about it.
Like I said last night, I don't think I did a single thing wrong in my game with Ramirez aside from maybe running up the score. And if that's what people think I did then I apologize. He threw a bad interception and Buchanon had nothing but open field ahead of him so I scored it. And that was something that was also, just for Ramirez. I wouldn't have done that with 50 seconds left against anyone else, except Luke of course. A minute or two left, probably, but not 50 seconds. If that's something that people consider classless or something I'll gladly stop. I think Ramirez was just very frustrated that he lost a game that judging by stats he thinks he probably should have won. I got 27 points off of big plays with only 1 sustained drive while he had 3 sustained drives into the red zone but couldn't cash in. His complaints simply don't stack up looking at stats or plain don't make sense. If I was so effective at stopping his play action by "looping" then the guy I was controlling would have had more than 1 sack. I got 1 sack that was BS because he did a play action rollout and that's what happens in this game sometimes if a guy is manually controlling an end. If you don't believe me try it for yourself. He got the exact same sack on me controlling Strahan.
Yes I used Alstott, I thought he was on IR and was fine to use because we voted it ok to use IR players. He hasn't retired, but a lot of you believe it is a forgone conclusion that he will so if it is the will of the league then it's no problem for me to bench him. The other FB is only rated 3 points lower so it's not like I had some huge advantage with Mike, although I don't know what weapons, if any, that they have. I don't know how pounding the ball up the middle with Alstott is "cheese" as Ramirez put it. I did it out of different formations and I tried to mix in runs to Cadillac that fed off of it (fake FB toss) but every time I gave him the ball he was chased down by a lineman. I didn't start to milk the clock until 4 minutes were left in the 4th quarter, he complained about that but it's in the rules and I didn't run the clock down to 1 or anything. Anyways thanks for the open minded input.
sableholic
Member
Cloudy said:I'm home sick today so I can get our week 1 in, Sableholic. I'll probably lose cos I feel like shit though
I won't be home till 5ish est, so we can play then. But if you'd rather wait till you're not sick then thats fine too since we have till next week thursday I believe. I'll message you when I get out.
At the end of season 10, Ando kicked the shit out of me. I don't know if he was somehow cheesing, or if he was just *that* good, but that's not my point. My point is that when I decided that I'd had enough, I started running the clock out, and stopped passing. I think I ran out the whole 4th quarter without him even touching the ball.
If i was still passing and trying to work my way back into the game, then I think he'd have had every right to keep his foot on the gas pedal.
If i was still passing and trying to work my way back into the game, then I think he'd have had every right to keep his foot on the gas pedal.
Yeah, I really don't have problems with FB use, just thought The Alstott use is ticky tacky, as EA should take him out of the game on the same premise as Mack Strong.
The other thing I don't like is, you are admitting to willfully want to and or try to run up the score/be a dick, against previous grudges. Just beat them and move on. Or don't, because then there goes GAF Drama. And it's going to be the only Drama entertainment we've got, now that the Writers have gone Bog on us.
The other thing I don't like is, you are admitting to willfully want to and or try to run up the score/be a dick, against previous grudges. Just beat them and move on. Or don't, because then there goes GAF Drama. And it's going to be the only Drama entertainment we've got, now that the Writers have gone Bog on us.
sableholic
Member
Andokuky said:
Seems in direct response to my post so I will respond. Like I said I have never played you and have no real problem with you. The interception thing was just my personal opinion and nothing more. Lots of people, people who I know as good non cheesy players, will say run it back you never know what will happen with this game. Same with the highstepping. The game is meant to be fun, but still in my opinion its a little lame, but that doesn't mean everyone agrees. I just was giving my opinion on the two and certainly it doesn't mean its right. In fact in all likelihood I'm probably in the minority about the int returns (prob the majority agree on the highstepping though). It just seems like not doing them will save some anger after the game.
As far as Alstott is concerned again nothing wrong there since we all voted (edit: all had the chance to vote) and IR players won out. I just don't like playing alstott :lol and I guess it is a little tacky as lone said. All in all the complaints from this last game seemed relatively minor and nothing really big to write home about. Certainly nothing to kick someone out of the league for.
I just was saying like Denog mentioned theres getting to be a bias attached to playing you. Is it fair? probably not, but its definitely there. And that bias could definitely be causing complaints that otherwise would be left out. Thats all. Also as lone said admitting to doing something you normally wouldn't do against someone but did because of some grudge seems a little lame to me as well. It's like when someone tells me they wanted to blow me out to prove a point to the other playoff teams or something.
I will try ignore any complaints I have seen and keep a open mind when playing you because I don't want to go into the game and be sitting there over-analyzing every little thing that you do in the game I just want to have fun.
dammitmattt
Banned
Ando,
The one frustrating thing that happened when I played you the other night was the instant defensive end pressure. I think you had something like 8 sacks in the game, at least half of those were on PA rollout plays where no one even touched your defensive end and you ran right in for the sack. I don't know if you ran straight down or if you looped around, but I do know that I haven't seen that happen in the other 10 or so games I've played with Denver.
I'm not sure if you were doing anything special, or if it was just one of those games where the offensive line doesn't block. If it was a league game I would've stopped running PA plays, but since I was still trying out plays, I kept calling them, and you burned me every time.
Other than that, nothing particularly cheesy happened in our game, though like the Ramirez game, you didn't need to run in that second pick for the TD. It looks like that specific behavior is the one that can really piss people off, but again, it wasn't a league game so I didn't particularly care at the time.
I do think it's a bit weird to use a player who will never play again since we are running a sim league, but you already addressed that.
The one frustrating thing that happened when I played you the other night was the instant defensive end pressure. I think you had something like 8 sacks in the game, at least half of those were on PA rollout plays where no one even touched your defensive end and you ran right in for the sack. I don't know if you ran straight down or if you looped around, but I do know that I haven't seen that happen in the other 10 or so games I've played with Denver.
I'm not sure if you were doing anything special, or if it was just one of those games where the offensive line doesn't block. If it was a league game I would've stopped running PA plays, but since I was still trying out plays, I kept calling them, and you burned me every time.
Other than that, nothing particularly cheesy happened in our game, though like the Ramirez game, you didn't need to run in that second pick for the TD. It looks like that specific behavior is the one that can really piss people off, but again, it wasn't a league game so I didn't particularly care at the time.
I do think it's a bit weird to use a player who will never play again since we are running a sim league, but you already addressed that.
Yea Ando I forget what the score was in our scrimmage....you won but it was close, and even though I had a tough time stopping Alstott it really was a battle of field position that I lost with poor punting and 2 turnovers--a pick to Barrett Ruud (WTF? He's a non-weapon MLB! Fuck you EA! . If anything is wrong about your play, I would say running it to Alstott so much, but that's not really your fault if it's so damn effective to use a single player! That's EA's deal.
I'm sure people will start bitching about my play when they see how many highlight reel catches Randy Moss makes (Malleymal saw me throw 3 straight times to Moss to gain 80 yards and score a TD with less than a minute to go in our scrimmage. Nearly scored the 2-point to tie the game with a sneak by Brady...)
But really, is that any different that how the Pats would play in real life? Or the Bucs, using Alstott as near-guaranteed first down yardage/goal-line TDs?
. If anything is wrong about your play, I would say running it to Alstott so much, but that's not really your fault if it's so damn effective to use a single player! That's EA's deal.I'm sure people will start bitching about my play when they see how many highlight reel catches Randy Moss makes (Malleymal saw me throw 3 straight times to Moss to gain 80 yards and score a TD with less than a minute to go in our scrimmage. Nearly scored the 2-point to tie the game with a sneak by Brady...)
But really, is that any different that how the Pats would play in real life? Or the Bucs, using Alstott as near-guaranteed first down yardage/goal-line TDs?
I'm still pissed about that 2-point conversion DM! The elbow did not cross the line!!!!