Official NFL 2011 Offseason Thread of OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER

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TheFatOne

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A more solid source on the Pats possibly moving to the 4-3

On his way out the door after getting cut by the Patriots, defensive lineman Ty Warren offered some thoughts about the future of Bill Belichick’s defense, saying the coach who long favored a 3-4 front seems to be moving toward a 4-3.

“I think it looks like they’re trying to get away from the 3-4,” Warren said, via Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.com.


Warren got that feeling from the time he spent in team meetings before he was released, and the Patriots’ personnel at the moment appears to line up well in a 4-3 front, with Albert Haynesworth and Vince Wilfork as the starting tackles and Jermaine Cunningham and Eric Moore as the starting ends.

“That’s my whole outlook on the deal,” Warren said. “You have to play to your personnel too.”

Belichick has always been brilliant about identifying the right talent and putting that talent in the right position to succeed. Right now, shifting toward more four-man fronts and fewer three-man fronts may be the best way for the talent on the Patriots to succeed.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/30/ty-warren-bill-belichick-moving-away-from-the-3-4/

That quote originally come from this article.

"I think it looks like they're trying to get away from the 3-4," Warren said of the base alignment that has been a Patriots staple since early in coach Bill Belichick's Patriots tenure.

"When I heard about the different defensive deals they're going to be doing, I didn't see me in that big picture of things, or at least not a huge role in that deal. Then there were the acquisitions they made [Albert Haynesworth], which made it even more [likely]."

Such a change, if that truly is Belichick's intention, would signal a major shift in core defensive philosophy. Instead of the base 3-4 alignment, which the Patriots utilized in 40 percent of the defensive snaps in 2010, they could line up in a more traditional four-man front with Haynesworth and Vince Wilfork in the middle. Good luck to the interior offensive line that has to deal with that duo.

Then the question would be who lines up at end.

On the current roster, second-year man Jermaine Cunningham would seem like a natural fit at one spot, which would be a similar role to the one he played at the University of Florida. Veteran Eric Moore, a career 4-3 end who flashed late last season, also projects to that type of role.

But a shift to such a scheme also opens new possibilities in free agency and beyond. Ends who might not have fit Belichick's 3-4 would suddenly be in play.

Such a scenario is intriguing, although in a note of caution, it's still early in training camp and it's possible Belichick is simply experimenting with different wrinkles, as he often has in the past. After all, the Patriots lined up in the 4-3 on only three of 1,056 defensive plays last season. Warren acknowledged that he's seen the team work on different defenses over his eight seasons, although this time seems different.

"Before, it was more like 'Let's try to do something different and if this doesn't work, we're going back to base.' Now it's more like 'This is what we're doing'," said Warren, who was due to earn a base salary of $3.1 million this season. "That's my whole outlook on the deal. You have to play to your personnel too."

Haynesworth would be a big part of that, as his best seasons came with the Tennessee Titans as a 3-technique defensive tackle, lining up over the outside shoulder of the guard and powering ahead to create havoc in the offensive backfield. A more conservative two-gapping style, which is a trademark of the Patriots' 3-4, is not his forte.

At the least, it's something to ponder, that perhaps Belichick spent his lockout offseason re-evaluating his belief in the 3-4 as a core philosophy. That would be typical Belichick, zigging while everyone else was zagging, going in the opposite direction as more and more NFL teams are now running the 3-4.

Given the proliferation of 3-4 defenses, Warren -- who started 92 of 105 games while with the Patriots but missed all of 2010 with a hip injury -- figures to land on his feet quickly considering his on-field resume and standing as a positive locker room presence. He opened this year's training camp on the active/physically unable to perform list after his hamstring tightened during Wednesday's conditioning run, but it shouldn't keep him down long.

Looking back on his time with the Patriots, he leaves with no regrets after arriving as a first-round draft choice out of Texas A&M.

"I definitely enjoyed my time there, my teammates, the people that I've met. It's been great," he said. "At the end of the day, there comes a business side of it. You have to get in line. Everybody's time comes. I'm fine with that. I have a lot of football to play and I'm excited about what's to come.

"Based on from the time of the release to now, it looks like the future is pretty bright [in terms of interest]. I'm excited and happy for a fresh start."

If Warren is right, he won't be the only one with the fresh start. The Patriots' defense might be in the midst of one, too.

Another possible source. It looks like they are experimenting more in the 4-3 during camp. WIll be interesting to see how t his develops.

–When the action turned to team action the defense lined up in an interesting four-man front that included Vince Wilfork and Kyle Love lined up over the guards with Jermaine Cunningham and Eric Moore in three-point stances at end. The linebackers had Brandon Spikes in the middle with Rob Ninkovich and Jerod Mayo on the outside. The secondary included Brandon Meriweather and Patrick Chung at safety with Leigh Bodden and Devin McCourty at cornerback.

http://blog.patriots.com/2011/07/29/from-the-hart-friday-evening-practice-notes/
 

LiquidMetal14

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I have to say that singing Namdi was great to Philly but that does not automatically equate to auto Super Bowl. I think they will be a very formidable team and I'm excited about Philly though. I am still rooting for Vick too.
 

Striker

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Is Benard going to the DE spot or staying at OLB? He did pretty good last year in the Browns games I've watched. I know in the transition back to the 43 will make them have some pretty good DT's, but it's a bit thin on the ends.
 

Tom Penny

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Lunchbox said:
eagles patriots superbowl

vikings eagles nfc championship

Nah. I personally still thing GB is the team to beat. Who the hell are the Jets going to have play WR now that Braylon won't sign with them?
 

Wes

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Striker said:
Is Benard going to the DE spot or staying at OLB? He did pretty good last year in the Browns games I've watched. I know in the transition back to the 43 will make them have some pretty good DT's, but it's a bit thin on the ends.

I would think so. He'll be moved around a bit but I imagine he'll interchange with Jayme Mitchell at DE. I still think we need another end. As it stands we will be asking a lot of rookie Sheard.

Fujita, Jackson and Gocong will likely be the most used set up of linebackers.
 

effzee

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Grover Cleveland said:
Sal Palantonio is now saying that Aso trolled the Jets hard.

Never wanted to play for New York, always wanted to play for Philly.

HAHA go suck on some more feet Ryan!

And I agree with the guys who say Vince Young will not be sitting there pressure free. Vick is bound to get hurt with the way he plays and especially if the line doesn't improve. I am a little uneasy knowing VY will see some significant playing time. Would have preferred Hasselback or.....PALMER!
 
Ninja Scooter said:
1. lol people keep using wins/losses as a measure of success for a QB. Lets ignore the fact that all the ACTUAL individual statistics tell you that Vince Young is simply a mediocre QB. He could have his head straight as an arrow, he has no pocket presence and his accuracy sucks.

2. They would probably call his bluff and let him play/start. It would be on Palmer to make it ugly and there are no indications he cares enough for that. He could simply take a year off and there will be a ton of teams asking him for his services next year if he wanted to play, and the Bengals get nothing in return for him. Mike Brown is clearly taking this personal putting spite ahead of his teams future.


If a player doesnt report by August 9th under the new rules they dont get credit for the year, so the Bengals will still own Palmer's rights next year. If he ever wants to play somewhere else he needs to show up and give the Bengals one more year. I agree that if he showed up and acted like an idiot they would be forced to trade him.
 

Brinbe

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Even Andy Reid agrees, VY just winz

Grover Cleveland said:
Sal Palantonio is now saying that Aso trolled the Jets hard.
Never wanted to play for New York, always wanted to play for Philly.
bwahahahaha

Edit: Young speaking now on NFLN. Vick/Reid were big factors in his decision. So surreal to see him in Eagles gear.
 
Eric Walton said:
1. That's the purpose of the contract - rehabbing his career. He's in AAA Development Camp. You honestly think he's going to become irrelevant? A two time Pro Bowler, a guy that's won 2/3rds of his starts? Let's say he gets his head straight, as improbable as that may be: how do you think he would fare as a starter?

2. If that's the truth, I wish Palmer had more spine. He has ALL the leverage now - the Bengals have drafted the offense of the future. Palmer just has to step into practice, and he'll be traded in a week.
VY never merited a pro bowl selection, to the extent that that would mean he was a good nfl quarterback. Yes, he will be irrelevant.
 

Narag

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
i'm not even sure how that is possible but then again i only watched 1 chargers game last year, and that was the game when the refs jobbed us from a tight game to a blowout :(

That's what happens when you give up points on special teams or at the very least short fields for the opposition and are stuck driving downfield playing catch up all game when on offense.
 
The Pack will be tough to beat in the NFC. The Eagles have made the best moves to compete, IMO, especially in a pass happy league. But Vick is still a question mark. Let's face it: he still hasn't won anything critical. Has he matured since his Falcon days? Looks like it... But that doesn't make him a SB caliber QB yet. His play style defnitely tends toward injury.
 

Soroc

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
what the F? $10 mil a year for cro!? that's like a million a year for each of his kids. i wouldn't mind him on the niners but not for $10 million a year. that is insane


This is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket and lose out. Like I said earlier, after Cro there is pretty much nobody, Cro is going to get well overpaid for his services where ever he goes.

Houston was the smartest team in the Nnamdi sweepstakes. Got out early and landed a really good corner for around 2-3 million less then what Cro is going to get per year.
 
Soroc said:
This is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket and lose out. Like I said earlier, after Cro there is pretty much nobody, Cro is going to get well overpaid for his services where ever he goes.

Houston was the smartest team in the Nnamdi sweepstakes. Got out early and landed a really good corner for around 2-3 million less then what Cro is going to get per year.


Why dont the Jets want Braylon back? It seems like they have freed up a bunch of money and they need another WR for sure.
 

MechDX

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Soroc said:
This is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket and lose out. Like I said earlier, after Cro there is pretty much nobody, Cro is going to get well overpaid for his services where ever he goes.

Houston was the smartest team in the Nnamdi sweepstakes. Got out early and landed a really good corner for around 2-3 million less then what Cro is going to get per year.


My god! THis can not be real! The Texans front office was smart? We signed really good FA's to fill our needs?

First sign of the damn apocalypse.
 

Soroc

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yankeehater said:
Why dont the Jets want Braylon back? It seems like they have freed up a bunch of money and they need another WR for sure.

Seems like Braylon is asking for some serious #1 receiver money. He tweeted some cryptic negative shit last night though so I'm guessing the Jets laughed at what he was looking for and probably told him when you want to get serious come talk to us in the range or 7-8Mil.

On the Cromartie front I think the Jets should just sweep the rug out from under him right now and make a deal with Richard Marshall from the Panthers. Cromartie is going to go hard at trying to get 10Mil+ and I don't think the Jets should waste anymore time on CB negotiations. Make a reasonable offer to Marshall and lock him up. Marshall is way more physical and is a pretty solid corner talent wise.
 

cajunator

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I'm actually pretty pleased with how Saints offseason has panned out.
They didnt make any huge splashes but did enough to stay competitive. they also made some moves to ensure we wont get run on in quite such spectacular fashion as the last two years. Im glad they shored up the secondary though, because holy shit, 07-08 was fucking painful. I used to hide my head in some pillows when the defense came on the field because it physically hurt me to see them getting burned for 50 yards right when they needed to hold to win a game. This team's main issues the past few years seem to be with injuries. We have had a ridiculous number of injuries to key players that seriously fucked up the rhythm. In 09 We were stacked, so it didn't matter, but it seems like in 2010, the team kind of just winged it. Maybe they were cocky from winning the SB who knows? I just hope they get that hunger again.
 
I've been told that Nnamdi Asomugha chose #Eagles because he believes they have best chance (of all his suitors) to win the Super Bowl. #nfl

which is what i thought. jets would have broken bank for him.

edit: also. aso probably thinks romo is dogshit. (we all know sanchez is dogshi)
 

MechDX

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Per CBSSports.com

5 minutes ago - by Brandon Williams - Ex-Pat DE expresses interesting in joining Texans
DE Ty Warren, who was released by the Patriots, has expressed an interest in playing with either the Texans or Cowboys, and is willing to play for the veteran's minimum. The nine-year veteran is a native of Bryan, Texas, which is less than two hours away from Houston. Texans RapidReports

Wow!! RIck go get em!

I think this is the first vet I have eevr seen that says he would take a minimum offer to play for us. sheds tear.....were growing up.
 

Tom Penny

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yankeehater said:
Why dont the Jets want Braylon back? It seems like they have freed up a bunch of money and they need another WR for sure.

They don't really need a good receiving corp with the leap Sanchez made last year at QB. He can produce with anyone.
 
I heard on NFLN today that the Eagles made an offer to Doug Free but he chose to stay with the Boys instead. That is to bad, I would love to see the Eagles bring in another OL.
 

Soroc

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Glad the Jets and Safety Eric Smith came to terms. I was really worried with losing him. Just need another safety now.

Rumors still around that Jets are looking at James Jones or possibly Malcolm Floyd as #2 WRs.

And if no one has seen this yet. This was the cryptic tweet from Braylon Edwards last night:

"Green and white...talk to your backers and teach them to cover in space...."

Eithers Jets or Eagles he's talking to. But I definitely think its the Jets DB's he's talking to. Really weird and really negative tweet. IDK maybe he was drunk
 
Soroc said:
Glad the Jets and Safety Eric Smith came to terms. I was really worried with losing him. Just need another safety now.

Rumors still around that Jets are looking at James Jones or possibly Malcolm Floyd as #2 WRs.

Floyd would be a good signing. I always liked him in SD. Is there any team left still in the market for a #1 WR? I think Braylon is going to price himself out of the market.
 

Wellington

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MechDX said:
Per CBSSports.com



Wow!! RIck go get em!

I think this is the first vet I have eevr seen that says he would take a minimum offer to play for us. sheds tear.....were growing up.
lol it's moreso because he'll be closer to home.
 

Drakeon

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yankeehater said:
Floyd would be a good signing. I always liked him in SD. Is there any team left still in the market for a #1 WR? I think Braylon is going to price himself out of the market.

49ers really should be in the market for a WR. Not saying I think we should sign Braylon though, I'd love for us to be in the hunt for Floyd, but don't think we are.

Also, don't the eagles already have enough WR's? You've got Jackson, Avant and Maclin. Theres no room for Floyd there.
 

Soroc

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yankeehater said:
Floyd would be a good signing. I always liked him in SD. Is there any team left still in the market for a #1 WR? I think Braylon is going to price himself out of the market.


I think the same thing. Braylon really only had interest from the Vikings, once that died out there really hasn't been much else on the horizon for him. Hopefully he'll come down to reality and settle in the 7-8Mil range.

Looks like Jets are already looking for Cromartie Insurance:

From Phillip Buchannon:

"Sorry, for the twitter suspense... On the team I will be playing with this year. #NFL. #update: We are talking to #Redskins #Jets and #AZ.

I really don't know much about Buchannon, I think he was a Redskin last year. Is he a solid DB?
 

BigAT

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Giants stuff - Osi isn't in camp today and is holding out as of now, Prince is still unsigned. Also this:

@EdBouchette Ed Bouchette
#jets expected to make big pitch for Plaxico. He's unlikely to re-sign w #giants sources say so iit's Jets vs #steelers again.
 
Drakeon said:
49ers really should be in the market for a WR. Not saying I think we should sign Braylon though, I'd love for us to be in the hunt for Floyd, but don't think we are.

Also, don't the eagles already have enough WR's? You've got Jackson, Avant and Maclin. Theres no room for Floyd there.


I was saying he would be a good signing for the Jets. The Eagles have talked about bringing in a big target for the redzone, ala Plax, since that was the one area where their offense struggled. There is no way that they would sign a big money guy for that though, worst case they give Cooper another shot and hope he improves this year.
 

Soroc

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Yeah starting to see the Plax rumors make the rounds for the Jets beat writers now.

Don't know how I feel about this still. Can he really come right in and make an impact? Vick got to sit a year out and train to get football ready again. Anyone going after Plax is going to expect his vertical game to be there day 1 and I don't think it will be...
 

overcast

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You guys buying into ESPN's bullshit that the Eagles are the favorite in the NFC? They are top contenders but a corner doesn't suddenly turn them into the favorite.
 

Drakeon

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yankeehater said:
I was saying he would be a good signing for the Jets. The Eagles have talked about bringing in a big target for the redzone, ala Plax, since that was the one area where their offense struggled. There is no way that they would sign a big money guy for that though, worst case they give Cooper another shot and hope he improves this year.

Oh, well then I don't disagree.
 

bionic77

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overcast said:
You guys buying into ESPN's bullshit that the Eagles are the favorite in the NFC? They are top contenders but a corner doesn't suddenly turn them into the favorite.
They are my favorite too. Top corner and another year for Vick and the team to mature.

If they stay healthy and they can develop a decent pass rush who is going to beat them?

edit: Seeing the Plax stuff, would be awesome if he came home where he belongs to a state with very lax gun laws. We will take care of you Plax and now you and Ben can show the world the combo that never was! And not only can you carry as many guns as you want in PA, you can talk about sex and naked women with your quarterback again without worrying about him breaking down into tears!

Perfect match. Can't see how it doesn't get done (well, of course unless he wants money...).
 

Drakeon

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I'd say Packers/Eagles are the two favorites right now. Of course this is assuming that if Vick get's injured, it's not season ending.
 
overcast said:
You guys buying into ESPN's bullshit that the Eagles are the favorite in the NFC? They are top contenders but a corner doesn't suddenly turn them into the favorite.
You apparently have some massive distinction between favorite and top contender....ok
 

Soroc

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bionic77 said:
They are my favorite too. Top corner and another year for Vick and the team to mature.

If they stay healthy and they can develop a decent pass rush who is going to beat them?


Def not the Giants! Especially without Plax! LOL I kid I kid Giants fans :)

But really the Giants haven't beaten the Eagles since they lost Plax. Fun fact!
 
overcast said:
You guys buying into ESPN's bullshit that the Eagles are the favorite in the NFC? They are top contenders but a corner doesn't suddenly turn them into the favorite.


GB is clearly the favorite since they won it all last year. The Eagles have done more then just a CB though. Babin is a huge signing for them, this will also be the first year that Vick gets to take the first team snaps in camp which should help a lot. The Eagles also got DRC for Kolb which will help, they got a new DC who is going to go back to the attacking D they played under JJ. Theere are a lot of reasons to think the EAgles will be better this year, and they were close to GB last year, but untill they actually beat GB in a playoff game GB should be the favorite.
 

Gigglepoo

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Soroc said:
Can he really come right in and make an impact?

I imagine he would be used like JJ Stokes was during his most successful days as a Niner -- catching jump passes. He'll be slow and clumsy out there, but he's still way taller than any corner, and should be able to grab those high passes. In theory.

He might end up shooting himself in the foot.
 

bionic77

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Eagle fans acting like champs already by overrating Green Bay.

We all know that they only won by getting the 6 seed and guess who started that trend?
 

zychi

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overcast said:
You guys buying into ESPN's bullshit that the Eagles are the favorite in the NFC? They are top contenders but a corner doesn't suddenly turn them into the favorite.
No, to me its Pack, Bears, Saints, Eagles. In that order.

Vick can be amazing all he wants, play a good defense and they're screwed. If any part of his leg gets injured, they're screwed.

VY changes the dynamic of the team if he steps in, I don't care that everyone compares him as Vick-lite, he's still Vince with his goofy throw and his mental issues. He'd have a breakdown in Philly if he starts, he couldn't take Tennessee.
 

Tom Penny

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zychi said:
No, to me its Pack, Bears, Saints, Eagles. In that order.

Vick can be amazing all he wants, play a good defense and they're screwed. If any part of his leg gets injured, they're screwed.

VY changes the dynamic of the team if he steps in, I don't care that everyone compares him as Vick-lite, he's still Vince with his goofy throw and his mental issues. He'd have a breakdown in Philly if he starts, he couldn't take Tennessee.

LOL
 

MechDX

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Narag said:
I'm curious so hop onto google to read up about him and find this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhijWrjy8Uo
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One game this past season, Schaub had a helmet button issue so Dan had to go in for one play. Didnt know where his helmet was and was looking for it while the playclock was ticking. Jacoby Jones threw his helmet at him to wear.

One of the few times I saw Kubiaks face turn blood red in anger. When he came off the field after the play Kubiak was in his ear giving him a mouthfull.
 
bionic77 said:
Eagle fans acting like champs already by overrating Green Bay.

We all know that they only won by getting the 6 seed and guess who started that trend?

How can you possibly overrate the defending champs? They are a great team that should be even better this year with a healthy HoFinley.
 

Gigglepoo

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zychi said:
No, to me its Pack, Bears, Saints, Eagles. In that order.

Explain ranking the Bears so high. They have the makings of 6-10 to me.

yankeehater said:
How can you possibly overrate the defending champs? They are a great team that should be even better this year with a healthy HoFinley.

The Pack will end up losing to some scrub NFC West team in the playoffs, just like every defending champ.
 
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