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[LJ11]

Glad he thought that highly of Garcon. Garcon is a big play maker and a very physical receiver, but a little rough around the edges. Can't wait to see him grow.

Dungie was on a radio show here in NYC last week and said the same exact story, except it wasn't Garcon, but Gonzalez who Manning traveled to throw to. So did he do it for both or is someone forgetting which player he did it for?

 

[LiveWire]

nice pics Dirtbag. They gonna get that done in time for Saturday?

 

[Gigglepoo]

On average, running backs with 300 to 369 carries and no postseason appearance will see their total rushing yardage decline by 15 percent the following year and their yards per carry decline by two percent.

The good news for Johnson is is a 15% decline from 2000 yards will still lead the league in rushing.

 

[PantherLotus]

Well I'm just going to go ahead and order my SuperBowl tickets now.

 

[eznark]

The good news for Johnson is is a 15% decline from 2000 yards will still lead the league in rushing.

That's what I was thinking. I have no problem using a keeper pick on him if he has 85% production next season.

 

[themadcowtipper]

All I can say is the new panels on the dome, makes a huge difference. Livewire, i dont think it will be finished by Saturday, it is a slow process.

 

[Gigglepoo]

I'm glad New Orleans has a surplus of money so they can paint their sports stadium gold. This is a hugely important endeavor and clearly worth every penny.

 

[bionic77]

Dungie was on a radio show here in NYC last week and said the same exact story, except it wasn't Garcon, but Gonzalez who Manning traveled to throw to. So did he do it for both or is someone forgetting which player he did it for?

Peyton isn't married right?

Maybe he was giving them a little more than football lessons...

 

[themadcowtipper]

I'm glad New Orleans has a surplus of money so they can paint their sports stadium gold. This is a hugely important endeavor and clearly worth every penny.

It improvements that was in the contract, that the Saints signed with the city awhile back. It is cheaper then building a new stadium or having the saints leave.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Dungie was on a radio show here in NYC last week and said the same exact story, except it wasn't Garcon, but Gonzalez who Manning traveled to throw to. So did he do it for both or is someone forgetting which player he did it for?

Hmm, I guess that would make more sense, but still, it's cool. From what I read, Peyton's "circle of trust" is pretty tight.

I always assume the Offensive Player of the Year goes to the player with the best statistics whereas the MVP goes to the player who plays the largest part in his team's success.

I agree with both award winners this year.

I wonder if the rest of the Colts team is ever discouraged when the MVP award goes to Manning and basically says, "Without this guy, you all would suck."

 

[Gigglepoo]

It improvements that was in the contract, that the Saints sign with the city awhile back. It is cheaper then building a new stadium or having the saints leave.

That would be pretty depressing if the Saints left New Orleans. I still don't get how painting the outside gold has any relevance, though.

I wonder if the rest of the Colts team is ever discouraged when the MVP award goes to Manning and basically says, "Without this guy, you all would suck."

They know what they are. That teams is balls without Manning.

 

[themadcowtipper]

Gold is part of the team colors, the dome is run down and it was in vast need of improvements, it is not painted the new panels they put on are Gold. It looks awesome in person.

 

[levious]

Dungie was on a radio show here in NYC last week and said the same exact story, except it wasn't Garcon, but Gonzalez who Manning traveled to throw to. So did he do it for both or is someone forgetting which player he did it for?

both, and the rumors of his mistresses ties into this story... Gonzalez and Garcon were just pit stops on his way...

 

[bionic77]

That would be pretty depressing if the Saints left New Orleans. I still don't get how painting the outside gold has any relevance, though.

They are obviously trying to channel some Steelers magic. I am not sure if their plan will work, but I like their thinking.

 

[Fox318]

They are currently re-skinning the superdome with some gold paneling
Looks pretty sharp.

For the few of you interested:
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[IMG]http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4269360687_70b624bcdb_b.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Does that prevent birds from making nests or shitting all over the place?

 

[yankeehater]

Dungie was on a radio show here in NYC last week and said the same exact story, except it wasn't Garcon, but Gonzalez who Manning traveled to throw to. So did he do it for both or is someone forgetting which player he did it for?

Maybe the whole story is just a lie crafted to make Manning look good?

 

[Gigglepoo]

Gold is part of the team colors, the dome is run down and it was in vast need of improvements, it is not painted the new panels they put on are Gold. It looks awesome in person.

Have you ever seen the Palace of Auburn Hills, where the Pistons play? It's pink!

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

They know what they are. That teams is balls without Manning.

I really wonder what would happen if Peyton Manning went down. Considering a hypothetical injury at the beginning of the season, what kind of record do you think Sorgi would have gotten out of the team?

 

[Striker]

I really wonder what would happen if Peyton Manning went down. Considering a hypothetical injury at the beginning of the season, what kind of record do you think Sorgi would have gotten out of the team?

One or two wins, if they're lucky.

 

[Gigglepoo]

I really wonder what would happen if Peyton Manning went down. Considering a hypothetical injury at the beginning of the season, what kind of record do you think Sorgi would have gotten out of the team?

1 or 2 wins, but that isn't a fair comparison. Jim Sorgi would be the worst (or second worst...) starting QB in the league. How would the Colts have faired with Jason Campbell or Matt Ryan at the helm? What if one of the top QBs, like Rodgers or Brees, was on the Colts?

 

[levious]

given the odd relationship between coordinator and qb in Indy, I doubt any QB could step in and have success within a year.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

1 or 2 wins, but that isn't a fair comparison. Jim Sorgi would be the worst (or second worst...) starting QB in the league. How would the Colts have faired with Jason Campbell or Matt Ryan at the helm? What if one of the top QBs, like Rodgers or Brees, was on the Colts?

Sorgi is their number 2 though. If Manning went down, he (or maybe Jeff Garcia) would be in for the Colts.

If we're gonna consider QB tiers we'd have to separate it into two categories: Sorgi, or "X quarterback" the latter of which changes the dynamic completely (For instance, I doubt Rodgers would fare too badly with the offensive line the Colts have).

 

[dralla]

so, where does brandon marshall play next season?

 

[Anton Sugar]

given the odd relationship between coordinator and qb in Indy, I doubt any QB could step in and have success within a year.

True. But Gigglepoo has a point...Indy has so many weapons that a Sorgi-like QB wouldn't be able to utilize effectively. I think any one of the top ten QB's of the league could be inserted into the mix and the Colts would be solid wild card material. The Colts running game isn't as horrid as their ranking suggests--they just have a "run as much as we need to" mentality. Regardless, if a QB needed their running game to bail them out...I don't know if that would happen in Indy.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Sorgi is their number 2 though. If Manning went down, he (or maybe Jeff Garcia) would be in for the Colts.

If we're gonna consider QB tiers we'd have to separate it into two categories: Sorgi, or "X quarterback" the latter of which changes the dynamic completely (For instance, I doubt Rodgers would fare too badly with the offensive line the Colts have).

I'm using Bill Simmons' approach to MVP. One of his criteria is replacing said player with an average player in that position. That's why I mentioned Matt Ryan, who is a middle-of-the-road QB. Obviously, the Colts would be horrendous with Jim Sorgi. But to measure an MVP, you have to figure out how good they would be with an average (Ryan) or comparable (Brees) player.

If Peyton Manning can win 14 games on the Colts, he could win 11 or more for every team in the league. Including the Lions.

 

[bionic77]

If Peyton Manning can win 14 games on the Colts, he could win 11 or more for every team in the league. Including the Lions.

If you put Manning on the Bucs they would not win 11 games immediately. It took a long time for them to get that system down in Indy. No way they could install it on another team and get the same results without some patience.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Sorgi is their number 2 though. If Manning went down, he (or maybe Jeff Garcia) would be in for the Colts.

If we're gonna consider QB tiers we'd have to separate it into two categories: Sorgi, or "X quarterback" the latter of which changes the dynamic completely (For instance, I doubt Rodgers would fare too badly with the offensive line the Colts have).

Garcia > Sorgi, easy.

 

[Gigglepoo]

If you put Manning on the Bucs they would not win 11 games immediately. It took a long time for them to get that system down in Indy. No way they could install it on another team and get the same results without some patience.

I strongly disagree. The Bucs were awful largely because of awful QB play all season. Niners would also be Super Bowl favorites right now if Manning was their QB. Heck, the Niners actually have a better team than the Colts today, except that one small piece.

 

[greatestjediever]

Dilfer is the exception to the rule. More often than not you need exceptional QB play to win a Superbowl. I hate that argument, because even with more points for a SB win there's no way in hell Dilfer would make this list anyway.

But if you weigh Super Bowls heavily, you put a disadvantage to superb QBs who never had a Super Bowl caliber team to play with. I feel that's even worse when you're trying to trying to determine individual QB worth.

 

[bionic77]

I strongly disagree. The Bucs were awful largely because of awful QB play all season. Niners would also be Super Bowl favorites right now if Manning was their QB. Heck, the Niners actually have a better team than the Colts today, except that one small piece.

Some teams are so awful that no qb could make them contenders.

I don't know about favorites but I do agree that Peyton would have made the Niners Superbowl contenders just by being on the team, but the Niners ain't the fucking Bucs. Do you really think that Manning just walking on that team would equal the 35+ points it would take to win with that horrible defense? What about St. Louis?

No knock on Manning, but you still need talent around the qb to win. And I would expect Manning to win 10 + games if he went to the Niners I would also expect it would take at least 2 years for him to play with the efficiency that he does in Indy. That offense they run in Indy needs everyone to be on exactly the same page. That takes great coaching and a lot of practice.

 

[yankeehater]

I strongly disagree. The Bucs were awful largely because of awful QB play all season. Niners would also be Super Bowl favorites right now if Manning was their QB. Heck, the Niners actually have a better team than the Colts today, except that one small piece.

What are talking about? The Colts have a much better oline and wrs hen the 9ers do. The 9ers D might be slightly better, but the Colts dline does a great job getting 4 man pressure on the other teams QB, which allows them to play their cover 2 scheme. No way do teams like the Bucs or Lions make the playoffs with Manning. He is a good QB but he cant single handiedly make a bad team great.

 

[bionic77]

What are talking about? The Colts have a much better oline and wrs hen the 9ers do. The 9ers D might be slightly better, but the Colts dline does a great job getting 4 man pressure on the other teams QB, which allows them to play their cover 2 scheme. No way do teams like the Bucs or Lions make the playoffs with Manning. He is a good QB but he cant single handiedly make a bad team great.

I agree. Only Ben Roethlisberger can do that.

 

[themadcowtipper]

I'm suprised you haven't posted this weeks Ryno's GIF, or did i miss it Dirtbag.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

But if you weigh Super Bowls heavily, you put a disadvantage to superb QBs who never had a Super Bowl caliber team to play with. I feel that's even worse when you're trying to trying to determine individual QB worth.

I'm not seeing the problem with that. The Superbowl is the goal of all Quarterbacks and as such should be the ultimate barometer. If a Quarterback who didn't win a Superbowl (say, Marino) is seen as good enough to beat one who hasn't, the other metrics by which he's weighed should speak for him. As I said earlier, no competent system would put Dilfer over Marino even though Dilfer went to and won the Superbowl.

Personally I think that list is fucked up. As Rorschach implied, the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest that doesn't even sniff the postseason in its selection, and the MVP is awarded to one person out of 32 teams and more than one position (even though the other is usually just Halfbacks).

 

[Dirtbag]

I'm suprised you haven't posted this weeks Ryno's GIF, or did i miss it Dirtbag.

:lol

Almost forgot.

nice pics Dirtbag. They gonna get that done in time for Saturday?

I didn't take em, saw them on Saintsreport/in-person though.
Yeah like Madcowtipper said, I doubt they make it in time for Saturday, but they probably will have all the black areas filled in leaving just gold / old grey pannels.

 

[bionic77]

Thinking back on the season so far are the two best qb plays Farve's last second TD to beat the Niners and Ben's equally ridiculous last second TD to beat the Packers?

I can't think of any better qb plays than those off the top of my head.

 

[Gigglepoo]

He is a good QB but he cant single handiedly make a bad team great.

The reason I think Manning is an elite QB, and easily the best in the league, is that he has proven that he can lead teams to victory even with minimal talent around him. Obviously, there would be a learning curve if he went to a new team with a new system. But, the point is, he could still succeed. He could still drag the lifeless husks of his useless teammates the playoffs.

 

[Dirtbag]

Saints injury report: Just four players listed:
P. Thomas (ribs), full
McCray (back), full
L.Moore (ankle), limited
M.Jenkins (hamstring), limited.

Been a long time since it was that short!

 

[yankeehater]

Why are you saying that he doesnt have talent around him? Clark is a great TE, one of the very best, Wayne is a great WR, Garcon stepped in and played great this year, I think that the Colts have the very best pass blocking oline in football, they have a very solid running game. Manning is a great QB, but he is still just human, he struggles big time with pressure, look at the Denver game, they got people in his face and he threw 3 picks and didnt have a very good game. Same thing when he played the jets, they were able to pressure him, and hold him in check for 2.5 quarters. If you put Manning on a team with a bad oline, like the 9ers, I think he would struggle, not as bad as alex, but he still wouldnt be the same Manning he is with the Colts.

 

[Dirtbag]

Why are you saying that he doesnt have talent around him? Clark is a great TE, one of the very best, Wayne is a great WR, Garcon stepped in and played great this year, I think that the Colts have the very best pass blocking oline in football, they have a very solid running game. Manning is a great QB, but he is still just human, he struggles big time with pressure, look at the Denver game, they got people in his face and he threw 3 picks and didnt have a very good game. Same thing when he played the jets, they were able to pressure him, and hold him in check for 2.5 quarters. If you put Manning on a team with a bad oline, like the 9ers, I think he would struggle, not as bad as alex, but he still wouldnt be the same Manning he is with the Colts.

Last season Drew Brees threw for 5,000 yards and didn't have a single receiver over 1,000. Think about that for a second Gigglepoo. Drew Brees spreads the ball around the field better then any QB in the NFL. Based on his argument, he's saying that the Colts have a worse receiving core then the Saints, yet there is not a single pro-bowl wide-receiver that plays for the Saints.

 

[themadcowtipper]

Saints injury report: Just four players listed:
P. Thomas (ribs), full
McCray (back), full
L.Moore (ankle), limited
M.Jenkins (hamstring), limited.

Been a long time since it was that short!

I know i'm used to multiple pages...

 

[Anton Sugar]

The reason I think Manning is an elite QB, and easily the best in the league, is that he has proven that he can lead teams to victory even with minimal talent around him. Obviously, there would be a learning curve if he went to a new team with a new system. But, the point is, he could still succeed. He could still drag the lifeless husks of his useless teammates the playoffs.

Well, the more I think about it, the Colts team has a ton of talent. Freeney, Wayne, Collie, Garcon (to an extent), Addai, Brackett, Bethea, Sanders(ha!), Powers...but it needs a keystone to make it all work. You couldn't just drop in any quarterback.

 

[Dirtbag]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/7240/payton-wins-coach-of-the-year-honor

Sean Payton wins coach of the Year!!!!

New Orleans’ Sean Payton has been named NFL Coach of the Year by The Sporting News.

He beat out Indianapolis’ Jim Caldwell for the honor, and this one is well deserved. Payton took a team that underachieved last year and got it to achieve. He won his first 13 games and, as I’ve said many times before, I believe Payton grew tremendously as a head coach this year.

I’m not saying he was bad before because he wasn’t. He took the Saints to the playoffs in his first season and at least had them in contention the next two seasons. But what really set Payton apart this year was his willingness to be introspective, spot his weaknesses and learn from his mistakes. That's something a lot of NFL coaches are too stubborn to do.

After last season, he recognized that something dramatic had to be done with the defense. He went out and hired coordinator Gregg Williams and got good results. Payton also realized he needed more of a commitment to the running game. He used a combination of Pierre Thomas, Reggie Bush and Mike Bell to give the Saints a legitimate running game that complemented Drew Brees and the passing game very nicely.

Who was it arguing that the Saints weren't better coached then the Cards again?

 

[Gigglepoo]

Last season Drew Brees threw for 5,000 yards and didn't have a single receiver over 1,000. Think about that for a second Gigglepoo. Drew Brees spreads the ball around the field better then any QB in the NFL. Based on his argument, he's saying that the Colts have a worse receiving core then the Saints, yet there is not a single pro-bowl wide-receiver that plays for the Saints.

8-8

 

[Striker]

Wayne is a great player, but I wouldn't call him top five or anything. Clark is a good possession receiver. The rest? There isn't anything else. The OL and run are also mediocre, but are helped out by Peyton's quick release and presence. You telling me defenses would fear Joesph Addai and Donald Brown attacking them? Colts run offense (YPC) was 2nd worst in the league, only behind the Chargers (which is mainly Tomlinson's vag) and hardly had big play rushes.

Why is Brees/Saints receivers mentioned? Peyton's done better with far less this season.

 

[witness]

Saints injury report: Just four players listed:
P. Thomas (ribs), full
McCray (back), full
L.Moore (ankle), limited
M.Jenkins (hamstring), limited.

Been a long time since it was that short!

B-E-Autiful

 

[yankeehater]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/7240/payton-wins-coach-of-the-year-honor

Sean Payton wins coach of the Year!!!!


Who was it arguing that the Saints weren't better coached then the Cards again?

That was me. You said that the Saints had a big edge at coach and I still dont see it. I think both teams have really good coaches. Congrats to Peyton though, he did a gret job this year.

 

[greepoman]

Thinking back on the season so far are the two best qb plays Farve's last second TD to beat the Niners and Ben's equally ridiculous last second TD to beat the Packers?

I can't think of any better qb plays than those off the top of my head.

Orton with the bank shot to beat the bengals!! :lol :lol

VY's 99 YD drive was pretty good though that's more a combination of the whole drive + the usc/texas re-creation factor instead of the just the TD as time expired (4th down too I might add).

 

[Gigglepoo]

Who was it arguing that the Saints weren't better coached then the Cards again?

People who watched last season? I doubt many people were arguing that Payton was great when he went 15-17 the last two seasons.

 

[tapedeck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE7jNy9935o WOW.