Official NFL Divisional Round -- The no-fieldgoal offense. Nomentum vs. the Media

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spetz said:
Sure is amazing, 3-4 weeks ago I don't think one person would choose the Cards over the Saints. (or the Cards over the Pack, including me) If there is one thing I've noticed it seems the GAF sways easily. Sure, I am bias because I am a Saints fan however after the Saints first loss to Dallas ESPN was already putting the Saints down and everyone was already yelling "fluke."

All that to say, it's frustrating how easily everyone drops a team and picks another up. The Cards were the "weakest" team in the NFC coming into this and now look what happened, you really think a team that started the season 13-0 can't just as easily turn it around?

The Cards looked very good, however they barely avoided a better GB team by coming out of the gates on fire. The Saints can do the same thing, remember how the Cowgirls went from 6th seed to 3rd seed in a matter of 2 weeks?

Saints lose to a super hot rising Cowboys team and miss a fg to beat the Bucs who won 2 of their last 3. Also did anybody realize the Saints didn't even show up to play against the Boys until the 4th quarter and still only lost by 7?
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As an Eagles fan I have learned the hard way to never pick against Warner in the playoffs. My picking the Cards to win is based on how great Warner has been in the playoffs, and that Brees really hasnt done anything in the playoffs yet.
 
yankeehater said:
As an Eagles fan I have learned the hard way to never pick against Warner in the playoffs. My picking the Cards to win is based on how great Warner has been in the playoffs, and that Brees really hasnt done anything in the playoffs yet.
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This is definitely a huge advantage for ARI. As it seems a QBs ability to do well during the season does not mean a thing for playoff performance. (uh, Peyton Manning?)
 
well you better be able to run the ball cards are 17th in rush D and I think they gave up 90yds to the pack. Who knows tho cards D might come out on fire and clamp down on saints run game like Dallas did.
 
Zeke said:
well you better be able to run the ball cards are 17th in rush D and I think they gave up 90yds to the pack. Who knows tho cards D might come out on fire and clamp down on saints run game like Dallas did.
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I read Pierre Thomas is still out for the game yet there is a slight glimpse of hope he plays. Anybody know otherwise?
 
spetz said:
I read Pierre Thomas is still out for the game yet there is a slight glimpse of hope he plays. Anybody know otherwise?
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Everything I've heard is he is playing. He's had 3 weeks to heal.
He closed out last season at Chicago with broken ribs and lit them up just fine. In fact it was the game that pretty much earned him the starting role. He'll be fine.
 
Speaking of the Kiff, how is it this idiot keeps getting jobs? His record stands at 7-6 (NCAA) and 5–15 (NFL), not to mention being a loudmouth idiot with a penchant for rules violations.
 
spetz said:
I read Pierre Thomas is still out for the game yet there is a slight glimpse of hope he plays. Anybody know otherwise?
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The reports coming from Brees and Jeff Ducan tweets is that everyone practiced(except for IR people), and no one was on stationary bikes. Brees made a point to say Thomas went " full boar".
 
spetz said:
Sure is amazing, 3-4 weeks ago I don't think one person would choose the Cards over the Saints. (or the Cards over the Pack, including me) If there is one thing I've noticed it seems the GAF sways easily. Sure, I am bias because I am a Saints fan however after the Saints first loss to Dallas ESPN was already putting the Saints down and everyone was already yelling "fluke."

All that to say, it's frustrating how easily everyone drops a team and picks another up. The Cards were the "weakest" team in the NFC coming into this and now look what happened, you really think a team that started the season 13-0 can't just as easily turn it around?

The Cards looked very good, however they barely avoided a better GB team by coming out of the gates on fire. The Saints can do the same thing, remember how the Cowgirls went from 6th seed to 3rd seed in a matter of 2 weeks?

Saints lose to a super hot rising Cowboys team and miss a fg to beat the Bucs who won 2 of their last 3. Also did anybody realize the Saints didn't even show up to play against the Boys until the 4th quarter and still only lost by 7?
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The Saints have a patchwork injury depleted defense. They've lost their past three games, the games they won before that were by the Skin of their teeth, and one of them was given to them by what should have been an automatic kick. Also, according to TMQ:

TMQ said:
Early in the year, the Saints were jumping out to early leads; opponents had to abandon the running game, allowing New Orleans to mask its weakness against the rush. Late in the season, the New Orleans offense slowed down; in close games, opponents exposed the New Orleans run defense.
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There are plenty of reasons to lose faith in them, or at the very least, give the Cards the edge. I'd say that this is going to be a game of defenses; whichever team can slow down the opposing QB first and fastest will win.
 
themadcowtipper said:
The reports coming from Brees and Jeff Ducan tweets is that everyone practiced(except for IR people), and no one was on stationary bikes. Brees made a point to say Thomas went " full boar".
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full boar eh?
 
Dirtbag said:
Dilfer gets it,

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4817216

Pretty much my thoughts exactly here.

Has everyone forgotten the Saints can run the ball as well as passing it?
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Dilfer, as usual, gets it wrong. You don't stop Warner with good secondary play. If you give him time he will pick any secondary apart (as he did against the number one, all decade, Steelers defense in last year's Superbowl). The key to stopping Warner is to hit him early and often and make him look at the pass rush and not his receivers. If the Saints' pressure does not get to Warner it could be a long night for the defense.

spetz said:
All that to say it all depends who shows up on gameday, I'm just frustrated by the lack of faith people have in the Saints, maybe it's for good reason, maybe not. I'm not sure
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The Saints might have peaked too early. But at the same time they have a huge advantage with their bye and homefield. If they come out scoring early they should win easily, but my concern is that they (and the Colts) will come out with some lethargy, let the other team stick around, and the game will be decided in the fourth quarter.
 
bionic77 said:
Dilfer, as usual, gets it wrong. You don't stop Warner with good secondary play. If you give him time he will pick any secondary apart (as he did against the number one, all decade, Steelers defense in last year's Superbowl). The key to stopping Warner is to hit him early and often and make him look at the pass rush and not his receivers. If the Saints' pressure does not get to Warner it could be a long night for the defense.
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Conventional wisdom is blitz a shaky quarterback, cover a poised quarterback. Against Warner you have to get pressure without bringing extra guys, basically. The front four has to be excellent, or Warner has to be off. With Warner it always seems apparent how he is going to play in the first couple possessions.
 
eznark said:
Conventional wisdom is blitz a shaky quarterback, cover a poised quarterback. Against Warner you have to get pressure without bringing extra guys, basically. The front four has to be excellent, or Warner has to be off. With Warner it always seems apparent how he is going to play in the first couple possessions.
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Yup that is the key to beating Warner.

That or pray to Ben that he has one of those games where he remembers that he is 50 years old and has the grip strength of an infant.
 
Giants fans.

In case you were wondering what the NFL thinks of Bill Sheridans skills he is likely going to be a positions coach (LB) with the Dolphins. :lol
 
Anerythristic said:
Giants fans.

In case you were wondering what the NFL thinks of Bill Sheridans skills he is likely going to be a positions coach (LB) with the Dolphins. :lol
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He goes back to being a LB coach, figured.

Bill was a LB coach prior to being promoted to D-coordinator. Which is odd, because the Giants linebackers have never been a strength since the Jessie Armstead days.

With Crennel and Haslett picked up by Kansas City and Washington, respectively, I'm curious who the Giants are targeting now. Fewell sounds intriguing. I hope to God they do not covet Dick Jauron.
 
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http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/8157/reviewing-weavers-review-of-jaguars

I tell a story about Peyton Manning when they drafted Pierre Garcon and Peyton Manning drove three hours twice a week because this kid couldn’t come to the OTAs and train because of his graduating class. He drove three hours twice a week to throw to this kid, to teach him how to be a pro, how to work.
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Damn Manning is just fucking awesome.

Also, the rest of that article is basically Weaver calling out Garrard and Del Rio. I'd say they had troubles there, but they did sweep the Texans.
 
According to Marcellus Wiley the Saints do not have WR depth and their only good reciever is Devery Henderson. Also said Brees will not have time to throw the ball down field,good thing the majority of Saints passes are not down field.
 
Cheeto said:
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That is a content look, swelling with pride and accomplishment... perhaps he didn't realize there was one more game to play. The week off probably really confused him.
 
themadcowtipper said:
According to Marcus Wiley the Saints do not have WR depth and their only good reciever is Devery Henderson.
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It's Marcellus, and yeah, he's a douche. Also a big Cowboys homer.
 
Bleacher Report ranks the Top 25 QBs of all time:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/325170-nfl-the-top-25-quarterbacks-of-all-time#page/1

Their criteria?

MVP awards= 10 points
Super Bowl wins= 5 points
Super Bowl losses= -2 points
Pro Bowl selections = 2 points
Total Career Yards= 1 point for every 1000 yards rounded to the closest whole number
Career Yards per Attempt= 1 point per yard rounded to closest whole number
Career Touchdowns= 1 point for every 10 touchdowns
Career interceptions= - 1 point for every interception
Total career wins= 1 point every 10 wins rounded
Winning Seasons= 2 points every winning season played
Losing Seasons= -1 point per losing season


THE LIST:


1. Brett Favre
2. Peyton Manning
3. Joe Montana
4. Johnny Unitas
5. Dan Marino
6. John Elway
7. Steve Young
8. Tom Brady
9. Terry Bradshaw
10. Fran Tarkenton
11. Warren Moon
12. Otto Graham
13. Len Dawson
14. Kurt Warner
15. Troy Aikman
16. Drew Bledsoe
17. Dan Fouts
18. Ken Stabler
19. Bart Starr
20. Bob Griese
21. Roman Gabriel
22. Donovan McNabb
23. Phil Simms
24. Boomer Esiason
25. Roger Staubach
 
Decent list i guess? Montana should be #1 and with another superbowl i think we can start calling Peyton goat cause he's gonna own all the passing records.
 
So it has come to this. The Bears are bringing back the Bungles QB Coach today for a second interview for the OC position. He seems to be be the lead guy for the job....we have gone from Jeremy Bates to the bungles? Palmer sucks now.....what kind of job has this qb coach done?
 
Darkman M said:
Decent list i guess? Montana should be #1 and with another superbowl i think we can start calling Peyton goat cause he's gonna own all the passing records.
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Any list with Farve at number one I will vehemently disagree with.

Also, the passing records don't mean anything anymore with all the rule changes so I will disagree with calling Peyton GOAT (he has not done enough yet, though if he wins 2 more Superbowls he can be in the conversation).
 
Darkman M said:
Decent list i guess? Montana should be #1 and with another superbowl i think we can start calling Peyton goat cause he's gonna own all the passing records.
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Any list that doesn't factor in era played, or have YA Tittle in the top 25 is worthless.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Why are MVP awards worth more than Superbowl wins? The #1 goal of an NFL Quarterback isn't to be the MVP.
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But a list like that is attempting to determine individual rankings, not team accomplishments. Of course, most voters factor in how well a team is doing when they vote for MVP so the system is (quite obviously for dozens of reasons) incredibly flawed.
 
and why negative points for super bowl losses? I'm not Kelly apologist, but you should get 2 points or something for an appearance at least. All pro instead of pro bowl would have made more sense too.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Why are MVP awards worth more than Superbowl wins? The #1 goal of an NFL Quarterback isn't to be the MVP.
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Pro Bowls worth more than stats. Pro bowl is BS. Favre went to the Pro Bowl the year that he played with the Jets and Romo went after that bobbled snap season. :lol Clutch.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Why are MVP awards worth more than Superbowl wins? The #1 goal of an NFL Quarterback isn't to be the MVP.
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While that is true, Super Bowl wins isn't necessarily indicative of a QB's value to a team (see, Dilfer). A Super Bowl win is a team award, while an MVP is an individual award. If you're calculating an individual players worth, it would be understandable to make those more weighted than Super Bowl wins.

Granted, I'm sure if you asked a QB whether he rather be ranked higher on some arbitrary all-time list or win more Super Bowls, I'm sure he'd take the latter.
 
greatestjediever said:
While that is true, Super Bowl wins isn't necessarily indicative of a QB's value to a team (see, Dilfer). A Super Bowl win is a team award, while an MVP is an individual award. If you're calculating an individual players worth, it would be understandable to make those more weighted than Super Bowl wins.

Granted, I'm sure if you asked a QB whether he rather be ranked higher on some arbitrary all-time list or win more Super Bowls, I'm sure he'd take the latter.
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Dilfer is the exception to the rule. More often than not you need exceptional QB play to win a Superbowl. I hate that argument, because even with more points for a SB win there's no way in hell Dilfer would make this list anyway.
 
It's amazing that now, Al Davis looks like a smart man. What a strange trip, Lane. What a straaaaaange Trip.

Tampa Bay got screweeeeed with Monte.
 
eznark said:
So does that mean Manning won the MVP because of his defensive prowess?
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I always assume the Offensive Player of the Year goes to the player with the best statistics whereas the MVP goes to the player who plays the largest part in his team's success.

I agree with both award winners this year.
 
Lonestar said:
It's amazing that now, Al Davis looks like a smart man. What a strange trip, Lane. What a straaaaaange Trip.

Tampa Bay got screweeeeed with Monte.
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Not just smart, he totally called what Lane was going to do to the Vols. The NCAA is such a horrible evil group so I doubt they will do anything, but they should punish Lane/USC big time.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/8163/the-big-cj-question-going-forward

Really interesting article on CJ/high volume running backs.

Johnson had 358 carries in 2009, which put him in dangerous territory. Football Outsiders touts "The Curse of 370." From the 2009 volume:

"Plenty of running backs get injured without hitting 370 carries in a season, but there is a clear difference. On average, running backs with 300 to 369 carries and no postseason appearance will see their total rushing yardage decline by 15 percent the following year and their yards per carry decline by two percent. The average running back with 370 or more regular-season carries, or 390 including the postseason, will see their rushing yardage decline by 35 percent, and their yards per carry decline by eight percent.

"(Just to be clear, 370 carries is not an automatic line where all backs over the mark are guaranteed to get injured; it just happens to be a handy marker that estimates the point where overuse becomes a much larger problem.)"
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His progress throughout the year:

Code: 
Game	Att	Yds	Att/G	Yds/Att
1-4	69	434	17.5	6.3
5-8	75	525	18.7	7.0
9-12	100	550	25.0	5.5
13-16	114	497	28.5	4.4
 
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