Official NFL Divisional Round -- The no-fieldgoal offense. Nomentum vs. the Media

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woodchuck said:
it's kind of dumb if you don't take into account down and distance. who cares if the CB gives up a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 10. At least FootballOutsiders takes that into account.

FootballOutsiders doesn't analyze by player on their website, and has no section for secondary/cb's either. I like DVOA stats better as well, but Burn rate is still a good way of looking at one specific attribute of a CB - the attribute that best defines their job as well.
 
chuckddd said:
Edit: I need a historian. Why on earth did St. Louis let go of Kurt Warner?

He had a broken hand that wouldn't heal. I remember he had a ridiculous number of fumbles against the Giants one year (five?) and the Rams just let him go after that. The best part of his broken hand: before one game, John Madden said he shook his hand real hard and it seemed fine. Man, I miss Madden.
 
Gigglepoo said:
He had a broken hand that wouldn't heal. I remember he had a ridiculous number of fumbles against the Giants one year (five?) and the Rams just let him go after that. The best part of his broken hand: before one game, John Madden said he shook his hand real hard and it seemed fine. Man, I miss Madden.

Was that the beginning of him playing with the gloves? Or has he always had those?
 
bionic77 said:
Those are the exceptions. It is fucking hard to replace a franchise qb. Niners and the Packers were exceptionally lucky that they had not one, but two fucking franchise qb's on the roster at the same time.

And honestly as good as Young was, he was no Montana.


That was ice cold.
Same thing happened with Brees and Rivers, although the difference is that Montana was at the end of his career when that happened and Brees is still in his prime.

I've met Aaron Rodgers in passing actually. He lives a couple of blocks from my old place and I saw him at a Steel Panther (formerly Metal Skool, an 80s comedy-tribute act) night. The band repeatedly asked "Brett Favre" to come up on stage and sing, which he drunkenly did (horribly, I might add). :lol
 
Dirtbag said:
3 Jets players in Lowest Burn Percentage Among CB's. SICK!!!
Eh. Constant pressure makes things easier for DBs. That's how the Ravens survived last year despite having Fabian fucking Washington starting. And that's how the Giants secondary looked good prior to this year.
For the record, I do think Revis was snubbed, because he's faced far more potent offenses/receivers then Greenbay has... no disrespect to Woodson.
If being a "shutdown corner" is enough to get MVP, then there have been snubs every year since I can remember.

Getting burned by Tedd Ginn Jr takes away 25 votes, I think.
 
chuckddd said:
Good work with the charts and graphs. Now we'll see how bad we are at prognostication.


:lol OMG LT.


Edit: I need a historian. Why on earth did St. Louis let go of Kurt Warner?
Actually I finished a nice google docs survey



Just click here to take the NeoGaf NFL Survey and all votes will be updated to the chart below

4EBRyE
 
Dirtbag said:
FootballOutsiders doesn't analyze by player on their website, and has no section for secondary/cb's either. I like DVOA stats better as well, but Burn rate is still a good way of looking at one specific attribute of a CB - the attribute that best defines their job as well.

you might have to buy the book for CB stats. and i think the attribute that best defines a CB's job is preventing offensive success regardless of how you do it. Burn Rate only looks at what happens when that player is targeted. It doesn't take into account all the times the player is NOT targeted and how that affects the offense.

here's an example from a couple of years ago from football outsiders: http://community.foxsports.com/foot...gelo_Hall_plus_more_fun_with_cornerback_stats
 
I like how you can't choose the Ravens over the Colts on your poll. lol

My Picks

Saints (If the Saints lost to the Cowboys again I'd literally shoot myself)
Vikings
Chargers
Colts
 
captive said:
by "clowned" you mean "had offensive PI committed and not called all game" right?
Last time i checked pushing the defender down was not allowed, even in this offensively dominated NFL.

You talking about the one where Woodson had his hand over Fitz's shoulders beyond 5 yards and not getting a call and then them sandwiching Fitz and he still scored on them? Face it, Woodson got dominated. Two guys were on Fitz and they still couldn't stop him, I'll take a shutdown corner over him anyday.
 
spetz said:
I like how you can't choose the Ravens over the Colts on your poll. lol

My Picks

Saints (If the Saints lost to the Cowboys again I'd literally shoot myself)
Vikings
Chargers
Colts

fixed

4EBRyE
 
Rorschach said:
If being a "shutdown corner" is enough to get MVP, then there have been snubs every year since I can remember.

Getting burned by Tedd Ginn Jr takes away 25 votes, I think.
:lol Revis probably gets killed for that in the locker room every now and then. I actually like that he didn't win. He's gonna come out with special purpose Sunday. The whole team is feeding off the disrespect angle so it's just more fuel for the fire. Ryan had some choice words about the situation as well, as he is prone to do.
 
Angry Grimace said:
Same thing happened with Brees and Rivers, although the difference is that Montana was at the end of his career when that happened and Brees is still in his prime.

I've met Aaron Rodgers in passing actually. He lives a couple of blocks from my old place and I saw him at a Steel Panther (formerly Metal Skool, an 80s comedy-tribute act) night. The band repeatedly asked "Brett Favre" to come up on stage and sing, which he drunkenly did (horribly, I might add). :lol
The Brent/ARod and Rivers/Brees situations where a team has two franchise qb's on the team at the same time are incredibly rare.

Eagle fans are being delirious and are taking being competitive and making the playoffs every year entirely for granted. There are maybe 8 really good qb's in the league who can carry a team (and that is being generous). That means for every franchise qb there are 3 JRuss' destroying their fanbases dreams every year. Imagine how many cocks FMT or Rors would suck to be in the position where Eagles fans are in?

I will be laughing the loudest when McNabb is gone and Eagle fans are looking back fondly on the days of when they were relevant. I know it sucks when you have playoff blue balls every year (I lived this out as a Steelers fan in the 90s), but that is still better than the alternative of going into the playoffs empty handed and watching other fans get off (right FMT?).

BakedPigeon said:
Don't forget people that the Cardinals actually play better on the road then they do at home.
Or more importantly that Kurt Warner is scary good in the playoffs. I feel like he only had one bad game against the Pats and that was probably caused by videotaping devilry.
 
BakedPigeon said:
Don't forget people that the Cardinals actually play better on the road then they do at home.

And the Saints have already lost two home games in a row in which they tried. Man, I'm giddy. Giddy!
 
Welp, let's do this.

Chargers over Jets - This game is gonna be Sanchez vs. Charger defense. If he plays even a decent game the Jets may actually win it, but I highly doubt it. Chargers in a close one.

Colts over Ravens - That Ray Rice running shit ain't gonna work with Indy. I find it hilarious how little everyone is talking about the garbage performance Flacco gave against the Pats. If he does that again, the game will be over before the half.

Cowboys over Vikes - As much as I hate to say it, this is Romo's NFC Championship to lose.

Cards over NO - Last time I bet against the Cards they made it to the Superbowl. Not doing that again. The Whiz is a former Steeler OC, so there's at least some pride in them winning for me.
 
#1 NFC seed in the Divisional playoffs is 17-2 since 1990 (of course the Giants and Cowboys ruined this beautiful stat the past 2 years), the AFC #1 seeds are 11-8.
 
Lane Kiffin to USC? Are you fucking kidding me

He sabotages the 2008 Bucs by taking his dad with 4 weeks left, and he only stays at that school for 1 fucking season?

How does this ass keep getting jobs?
 
DMczaf said:
Lane Kiffin to USC? Are you fucking kidding me

He sabotages the 2008 Bucs by taking his dad with 4 weeks left, and he only stays at that school for 1 fucking season?

How does this ass keep getting jobs?
:lol He had so many rule violations in his tenure there too. He's a sleezebag. Worst of all, he's a mousy sleezebag. The worst kind!


His wife is hot, though. He's gotta be a class A con man to score that.
 
Saturday

Cards @ Saints - It's like last year, except Delhomme isn't playing!
Ravens @ Colts

Sunday

Cowboys @ Vikings - Favre chokes, but america loses either way.
Jets @ Chargers
 
witness said:
#1 NFC seed in the Divisional playoffs is 17-2 since 1990 (of course the Giants and Cowboys ruined this beautiful stat the past 2 years), the AFC #1 seeds are 11-8.

Thats a stat that makes me feel better. That and knowing we will have a healthy secondary. That and everyone doubting the Saints. They seem to play better this season when they aren't being gloated over and put on a pedestal.
 
Jonm1010 said:
Thats a stat that makes me feel better. That and knowing we will have a healthy secondary. That and everyone doubting the Saints. They seem to play better this season when they aren't being gloated over and put on a pedestal.
i think we are going to shock some people. Pretty sad a 13-3 team has to do that.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Colts over Ravens - That Ray Rice running shit ain't gonna work with Indy. I find it hilarious how little everyone is talking about the garbage performance Flacco gave against the Pats. If he does that again, the game will be over before the half.

Ray Rice is the only thing I'm worried about, but earlier this season we held him to 90 yards and something like 3.5 yards a carry. And Flacco was healthy. The checkdowns to Rice (and a freak catch by Mason) were the only thing that got us. Unless our run D has gotten destroyed during the bye, I think we'll have a fairly solid hold on this game.

Our rookie corner Jerraud Powers and Pierre Garcon were talking trash over the AZ-GB game, pretty funny stuff:

Jpeezy2: how is that a flag....Revis is locking this clown down and they calling some cheap stuff...

ShowTimeP85: Revis holds 95% of the time....don't be bias

Jpeezy25: agggghhh u WRs these days are babied..we can even touch yall but u can push us all day and dont get calls. Revis is not holding

ShowTimeP85: it goes both ways yall hold we push off

Jpeezy25: Garcon...u cant be serious...i know a guy name Austin Collie...nuff said

ShowTimeP85: lol thats him...I don't push off..yall be so far off I don't have to push off...my speed push yall off far enough...

Jpeezy25: haaaa u funny..we can race tomorrow..me and lace the fastest dudes on the team besides Taj

ShowTimeP85: don't put your money on it...

ShowTimeP85: your about as fast as Peyton...

Jpeezy25: now that was jus disrespectful man...take that back, im hurt

ShowTimeP85: lol...

Jpeezy25: now everybody retweeting that man..haaa
:lol :lol :lol

Didn't see this, from Raheem Brock. Dallas Clark is the man:

Dallas clark gets nfl tightend of the year!now his in the locker room singing biggie smalls song "juicy" word for word..hahaha classic!

Pic from the Colts rookie D-line dinner night at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse:
x2_826d45
 
Rorschach said:
:lol He had so many rule violations in his tenure there too. He's a sleezebag. Worst of all, he's a mousy sleezebag. The worst kind!


His wife is hot, though. He's gotta be a class A con man to score that.
That's probably why they gave him the job. USC is going to get NCAA buttfucked soon, Kiffin seems like the perfect worthless shit to fall on that sword.
 
Jonm1010 said:
That and everyone doubting the Saints. They seem to play better this season when they aren't being gloated over and put on a pedestal.

They haven't played really well since the Patriots game. Their performance this season has nothing to do with expectations.
 
Gigglepoo said:
They haven't played really well since the Patriots game. Their performance this season has nothing to do with expectations.
I think you are going to see a team that closely resembles that one. Plus we are wearing black jerseys with gold pants. They always play better in those uniforms.
 
captive said:
by "clowned" you mean "had offensive PI committed and not called all game" right?
Last time i checked pushing the defender down was not allowed, even in this offensively dominated NFL.

Yeah.

People overlook it because "OMG HE'S THE BEST RECEIVER IN THE GAME" but it's cheating and illegal and it's conveniently forgotten by some people.

He's a great receiver but he's starting to become the Michael Irvin of the NFL, except Irvin(who I never liked) was subtle when he pushed off.

I do't give a shit if you can catch the ball diving with one hand, the reason you were wide open on the play was because you cheated.

Great receiver but it's time for reality and time to stop this nonsense.
 
themadcowtipper said:
I think you are going to see a team that closely resembles that one. Plus we are wearing black jerseys with gold pants. They always play better in those uniforms.

I sure hope their offense is as good, but I doubt they'll be able to slow down the Cards' offense like they did the Patriots, healthy defense or not.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Skins hire Haslett as DC. Was really hoping for Zimmer.
Brings back bad memories of brooks and haz years. For being such a great defense guy he could not draft a linebacker to save his life. He made some bad picks.
 
Gigglepoo said:
I sure hope their offense is as good, but I doubt they'll be able to slow down the Cards' offense like they did the Patriots, healthy defense or not.
It all depends on Warner. He never seems to be average in the playoffs. He is either lights out and plays at a Roethlisbergian level or stinks up the joint. If you don't get to Warner early and he is on I don't think there is a defense for him with the receivers he has.
 
demigod said:
You talking about the one where Woodson had his hand over Fitz's shoulders beyond 5 yards and not getting a call and then them sandwiching Fitz and he still scored on them? Face it, Woodson got dominated. Two guys were on Fitz and they still couldn't stop him, I'll take a shutdown corner over him anyday.
no im talking about the one handed touchdown where Woodson was established, and Fitz ran straight into him and knocked him down.
Face it, the refs were fucking blind in this game and several calls or non calls went against Green Bay.
Also Andre Johnson > Larry Fitzgerald.
 
Dirtbag said:
Saturday

Cards @ Saints
Ravens @ Colts


Sunday


Cowboys @ Vikings
Jets @ Chargers

Shit I'm watching the NFL network and I didn't realize how many peeps were "kind of" injured for the Saints. And key players coming back for the Saints? *Sigh* Cardinals played a tough game a week ago, I guess I'll go with the Saints.

I told Zeke I was sipping the Kool-Aid. So I'll stay with the Boys because they are hot.

Ravens v Colts is a toss up. Colts D is a little suspect and they had some cloooose wins this season. I'll go with Peyton though.

And Im cooking for ReRe puffs. Go J-E-T-S. Though Rivers is dirty and I expect them to win.
 
Gigglepoo said:
I sure hope their offense is as good, but I doubt they'll be able to slow down the Cards' offense like they did the Patriots, healthy defense or not.

Sure is amazing, 3-4 weeks ago I don't think one person would choose the Cards over the Saints. (or the Cards over the Pack, including me) If there is one thing I've noticed it seems the GAF sways easily. Sure, I am bias because I am a Saints fan however after the Saints first loss to Dallas ESPN was already putting the Saints down and everyone was already yelling "fluke."

All that to say, it's frustrating how easily everyone drops a team and picks another up. The Cards were the "weakest" team in the NFC coming into this and now look what happened, you really think a team that started the season 13-0 can't just as easily turn it around?

The Cards looked very good, however they barely avoided a better GB team by coming out of the gates on fire. The Saints can do the same thing, remember how the Cowgirls went from 6th seed to 3rd seed in a matter of 2 weeks?

Saints lose to a super hot rising Cowboys team and miss a fg to beat the Bucs who won 2 of their last 3. Also did anybody realize the Saints didn't even show up to play against the Boys until the 4th quarter and still only lost by 7?
 
spetz said:
Sure is amazing, 3-4 weeks ago I don't think one person would choose the Cards over the Saints. (or the Cards over the Pack, including me) If there is one thing I've noticed it seems the GAF sways easily. Sure, I am bias because I am a Saints fan however after the Saints first loss to Dallas ESPN was already putting the Saints down and everyone was already yelling "fluke."

All that to say, it's frustrating how easily everyone drops a team and picks another up. The Cards were the "weakest" team in the NFC coming into this and now look what happened, you really think a team that started the season 13-0 can't just as easily turn it around?

The Cards looked very good, however they barely avoided a better GB team by coming out of the gates on fire. The Saints can do the same thing, remember how the Cowgirls went from 6th seed to 3rd seed in a matter of 2 weeks?

Saints lose to a super hot rising Cowboys team and miss a fg to beat the Bucs who won 2 of their last 3. Also did anybody realize the Saints didn't even show up to play against the Boys until the 4th quarter and still only lost by 7?

Why were the cards the weakest nfc playoff team? Just because they lost badly to the 49ers and their second string got crushed by the packers starters? Or was it because espn said they were? My bias aside, I have always thought the cards were the most dangerous team in the NFC due to the sheer fact that they have Warner, Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston who can explode at any time, plus they always seem to answer the call and come up huge when it matters. IMO they were never the worst NFC team coming in.

With that said the Saints are damn good, and the dome is going to be extremely loud and crazy. I expect a repeat of the Packers game. Whoever scores last wins the game.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Skins hire Haslett as DC. Was really hoping for Zimmer.

Yea, might have been better. In any case, Blache is gone which is great. Maybe now we'll actually get turnovers and sacks and play press coverage occasionally.
 
spetz said:
Sure is amazing, 3-4 weeks ago I don't think one person would choose the Cards over the Saints. (or the Cards over the Pack, including me) If there is one thing I've noticed it seems the GAF sways easily. Sure, I am bias because I am a Saints fan however after the Saints first loss to Dallas ESPN was already putting the Saints down and everyone was already yelling "

All that to say, it's frustrating how easily everyone drops a team and picks another up.

Very true. That's annoying.

Saints lose to a super hot rising Cowboys team and miss a fg to beat the Bucs who won 2 of their last 3. Also did anybody realize the Saints didn't even show up to play against the Boys until the 4th quarter and still only lost by 7?

:lol :lol :lol

You sure are quick to dismiss your losses, but holes could easily be poked in a lot of those wins of yours. Washington? St. Louis? Miami? You're three flukes away from being a 10-6 team, buddy! Besides, you could do that sort of nonsense with any playoff team's record. The Vikes could have easily won the Pittsburgh and Chicago games as they were in it late and had a chance to put it away. That'd make use 14-2! OMG WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA!
 
exarkun said:
Shit I'm watching the NFL network and I didn't realize how many peeps were "kind of" injured for the Saints. And key players coming back for the Saints? *Sigh* Cardinals played a tough game a week ago, I guess I'll go with the Saints.

I told Zeke I was sipping the Kool-Aid. So I'll stay with the Boys because they are hot.

Ravens v Colts is a toss up. Colts D is a little suspect and they had some cloooose wins this season. I'll go with Peyton though.

And Im cooking for ReRe puffs. Go J-E-T-S. Though Rivers is dirty and I expect them to win.

rivers dirty? well that's news to me!
 
Gigglepoo said:
I sure hope their offense is as good, but I doubt they'll be able to slow down the Cards' offense like they did the Patriots, healthy defense or not.

bionic77 said:
It all depends on Warner. He never seems to be average in the playoffs. He is either lights out and plays at a Roethlisbergian level or stinks up the joint. If you don't get to Warner early and he is on I don't think there is a defense for him with the receivers he has.
Dilfer gets it,

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4817216

Pretty much my thoughts exactly here.

Has everyone forgotten the Saints can run the ball as well as passing it?
 
BakedPigeon said:
Why were the cards the weakest nfc playoff team? Just because they lost badly to the 49ers and their second string got crushed by the packers starters? Or was it because espn said they were? My bias aside, I have always thought the cards were the most dangerous team in the NFC due to the sheer fact that they have Warner, Fitz, Boldin, and Breaston who can explode at any time, plus they always seem to answer the call and come up huge when it matters. IMO they were never the worst NFC team coming in.

With that said the Saints are damn good, and the dome is going to be extremely loud and crazy. I expect a repeat of the Packers game. Whoever scores last wins the game.


I would say reason the Cardinals were viewed as the weakest team coming in by many since they finished 3-3 of their last 6 games, 2 of those wins being against the Rams and Lions. Warner had delt with injuries and seemed to be fading, Boldin was dealing with injuries and they fit the 4th seed, in addition to having the worst overall record, while also having the weakest conference. (Rams/Seahawks/49ers) The Cardinals have also been one dimensional at times, being unable to run the ball, solely relying on their passing game. One week looking great while the next looking terrible. (i.e beating Minnesota and then losing to the 49ers followed by beating DET by 7)

Now, despite that and many believing the Cardinals were an easy "upset" loss in the first round they turn around everything and put up 51 on a very good Packers defense. Warner goes apeshit, throwing a perfect game and now everyone seems to think much higher of the Cards. Yet he's the same guy he was a few weeks ago.

Last season proved that the Cardinals didn't need a great record to make it to the final showdown. All odds were against ARI, yet in some ways it feels as a Saints fan alot of odds (minus historic stats) are against us now. Think the Cards have offensive threats? The Saints have the most dangerous offense in the NFL, however unlike the Cards the Saints have been more reliable, that is until the last few weeks.

All that to say it all depends who shows up on gameday, I'm just frustrated by the lack of faith people have in the Saints, maybe it's for good reason, maybe not. I'm not sure
 
spetz said:
Sure is amazing, 3-4 weeks ago I don't think one person would choose the Cards over the Saints. (or the Cards over the Pack, including me) If there is one thing I've noticed it seems the GAF sways easily.

I'm not sure why this is in response to my post. I picked the Saints to win. I just don't think they can stop the Cards' offense.
 
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