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Official NHL CBA Conclusion thread! HOSANNAH, BITCHES

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Fuzzy said:
Guess who's the cover athlete for the Canadian and European versions of NHL 2K6. That's right it's Mats Sundin! :lol

BTW 2K6 will be $20 US once again.
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Oh wow.....I thought we'd get the same cover person...Turco. If this is true it's great news. Let it be known that today, August 15, is the day of Sundin at Gaming Age.
 
Mike, that was almost as silly as placing Sundin.

Seriously, he's been in the top five once before and that was three years ago. He hasn't made the top ten since.

Iginla
Naslund
Forsberg
Kovalchuk
Nash

No surprises.
 
Socreges said:
Mike, that was almost as silly as placing Sundin.
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What are you talking about? I placed Sundin in my list twice!

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Damn Forza...sure dopey's far too optimistic and baits the haters constantly, but you're way too much of a downer. Join their side! :(
 
Is it me or is the salary cap been proven complete horseshit? You had teams like the pen and such crying about how they couldn afford players and they field a joke squad. Then as soon as the well run teams get penalized, they start spending like a Hilton girl. Teams that actually put product on the ice are fighting to get under the cap, and Pittsburgh, Columbus, Edmonton, and Calgary are piling up free agents. And to top it off Gms are as dumb as ever, Joe Thorton ringing up 7mill. He wouldn't have gotten 7 mill without the cap.
 
Drensch said:
Is it me or is the salary cap been proven complete horseshit?
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It's just you. Teams like Detroit, New York, and *gasp* Colorado used to be able to field a team with a 50+ million dollar payroll, making it pretty damn difficult for smaller market teams to compete. Now everyone is on a completely level playing field, and you're sad because your Avalanche suddenly aren't a shoe in for first in the division (nor second, nor third, but hey, I bet they'll do better than Minnesota!).

It's just you, Drensch.
 
the playing fields are just getting level. The advantage that big market teams had is pretty much over now. With the new rules and the new balance in talent between most teams this NHL season should really be exciting.
 
Drensch said:
Is it me or is the salary cap been proven complete horseshit? You had teams like the pen and such crying about how they couldn afford players and they field a joke squad. Then as soon as the well run teams get penalized, they start spending like a Hilton girl. Teams that actually put product on the ice are fighting to get under the cap, and Pittsburgh, Columbus, Edmonton, and Calgary are piling up free agents. And to top it off Gms are as dumb as ever, Joe Thorton ringing up 7mill. He wouldn't have gotten 7 mill without the cap.
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Looking at it now, after the fact that it's been implemented, I can see a lot of problems. Plus, I thought the cap was too low to begin with.

It has it's problems, but it's better than not having a cap at all.
 
Pochacco said:
It's just you.
Although, with all their acquisitions, I'm really starting to hate Pittsburgh.
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That's just jealousy; it will pass. :)

Why don't you hate on a team that rightfully deserves it? Say... Philly?
 
Teams like Detroit, New York, and *gasp* Colorado used to be able to field a team with a 50+ million dollar payroll, making it pretty damn difficult for smaller market teams to compete.
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Are you telling me, that Pittsburgh if would have spent 40 million least season wouldn't have been more competitive than they were ? Point is, supposedly they didn't have money. Now all of a sudden they find all of this cash? Pittsburgh spent 23 and change on a team the last season. All they could afford? Are you telling me that if they put an additional 16 into a team that year they wouldn't have been better?

Salary cap is a scam. It did nothing to stop outrageous FA spending (Thorton, Aucoin, Gonchar) by poorly managed teams. Well managed teams, Colorado, Det, philly all have had to work with their teams to stay under. No outrageous spending. Once again, the shit teams are driving up prices, and no one pays but the well run teams.
 
Tedesco! said:
That's just jealousy; it will pass. :)

Why don't you hate on a team that rightfully deserves it? Say... Philly?
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Not to worry. Philly is at the very top of my hate list :)
Blues, Devils, and Stars are there too.
 
Pochacco said:
Not to worry. Philly is at the very top of my hate list :)
Blues, Devils, and Stars are there too.
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Wow, and not the Leafs? That seems to be rare amongst non-Leaf fans on this board. :lol

To hell with Philly!
 
A lot of the teams "spending like Hilton girls" aren't actually spending all that much more -- less than $10M, but they have access to more players because the cap has altered market values.

Case in point:

Salaries from 2003-04, according to USA Today:

Calgary: $36.4M ($2.6M under today's cap)
Edmonton: $33.4M ($5.6M under today's cap)

The Flames' 03-04 playoff run nudged them into the black for the first time in a long while. Hard to compete against teams putting $60-70M worth of players on the ice... unless they're poorly-selected players (see the New York Rangers)

And with the change in the market, that $6 or $7M a team might be spending more goes a lot further than it would have in the last NHL season.

In addition, a lot of the smaller markets are now beneficiaries of revenue sharing. Unless someone has a copy of the CBA, however, it's not clear how exactly that works.

How this applies in a case like Pittsburgh is something like this:

The Penguins had to suffer before getting to this point. Sawyer said they had to make a decision a few years back - stay competitive and lose millions of dollars in doing so, or lose fans while gutting the roster and rebuilding.

They decided it would be easier to win back fans than recoup millions lost.

"We chose a path before that we had to do because of the economics and the size of the market and part of that path was to be ready when a labour deal arrived," he said. "We have a knowledgeable market here, so they understood how significant the new labour deal was."

It wasn't a hard sell in this market.

"We had a couple of columns written last fall here that said the choice for the NHL was very obvious: you have the Steelers or you have the Pirates," said Sawyer. "The Steelers are competing every year under a salary cap and the Pirates are struggling and have no real chance of winning the championship because of their system. And so, it really clarified for everybody in this city where the issue was."

After years of shedding payroll, the shackles came off Patrick earlier this month. He signed Gonchar to a $25-million US, five-year deal, Palffy to a $13.5-million, three-year deal and acquired a veteran goalie in Jocelyn Thibault. And he's probably not done.
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Whether you buy it or not, that's the Pens' line (and the time is now to capitalize -- both on the new CBA and enthusiasm about Crosby). Other than Crosby, I think the same probably applies to a few teams.
 
ForzaItalia said:
Mats will tear it up this year. He'll finish top 5 in scoring.
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If I had money for every time I heard Mats will finish top 5 in scoring I'd be a happy man right now. Sadly, he never finishes top 5 in scoring.
 
It is so funny to see fans of teams that actually could sign free agents the past 8 years bitch and complain about the penguins.

The pens aren't just throwing money around, they had such a low payroll the past years, that they will still come in under the cap around 30 mil. Most of these players (exception of Pallfy and Gonchar, are coming in as they should in the new market. 2.5 for Recchi, 1.5 for Leclair, 1.5 for T-Bo) I'd hardly say that the salary cap system is being 'abused, or broken' by pittsburgh.

It took eight long, hard years of letting the likes of Kovalev, Straka, Lang, Ronnie Francis, J. Jagr, Tugnutt, Nedved, Boughner, Kasperiatis all walk without any decent players returning at all.

Us Pens fans used to only get the likes of free agent signings of Landon Wilson, Mike Wilson, the Ferraro twins, nothing but scrubs.. People, we had a 2nd line last season of Rico Fata, Guilliame Lefebre and Mike Eastwood... Give me a fucking break with your bitching.

All you haters can bitch, but we all know what team you be using in your hockey video games... Just like in 92-94 with the Sega NHL 94 series.
 
Drensch said:
Salary cap is a scam. It did nothing to stop outrageous FA spending (Thorton, Aucoin, Gonchar) by poorly managed teams.
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How do you figure? The cap is the cap. It's still 39 million. You can choose to spend it anyway you like. If you spend 20 million on 3 players, then you only have 19 million left for the other 19 guys. Once this goes a few years we'll see if teams can better allocate their funds to more players -- until then the "stars" will get big money and the rest of the guys medicore to crap money.

I don't see how teams can "abuse" the cap or drive salaries up with this system?
 
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