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Official NHL CBA Conclusion thread! HOSANNAH, BITCHES
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Kabuki Waq
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Mogilny will be missed as will Roberts but really those two were injured for alot of the season.
My main concern is belfour .... he had a year off and what was is he now 67 years old?
My main concern is belfour .... he had a year off and what was is he now 67 years old?
Kabuki Waq
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Manics said:
DESTINY!!!
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What's your guys unbiased opinion on the Pheonix Coyotes now that they got Curtis Joseph?
They have some pretty good players upfront as well...will these guys be a sideshow team 'cause of Gretz? Or will they be a team to watch out for?
Nagy Nedved Doan
Savage Comrie Hull
Devereaux Ricci M.Johnson
Saprykin Kolanos T.Nash
B. Ference
Gauthier
Hulse
Morris
O'Donnell
Tanabe
Joseph
Boucher
They also have yet to sign Dan Cleary and Paul Mara.
For me, this team is as interesting as Pittsburgh to see how they do.
They have some pretty good players upfront as well...will these guys be a sideshow team 'cause of Gretz? Or will they be a team to watch out for?
Nagy Nedved Doan
Savage Comrie Hull
Devereaux Ricci M.Johnson
Saprykin Kolanos T.Nash
B. Ference
Gauthier
Hulse
Morris
O'Donnell
Tanabe
Joseph
Boucher
They also have yet to sign Dan Cleary and Paul Mara.
For me, this team is as interesting as Pittsburgh to see how they do.
That'll be the day. The demise of the Avalanche is easily the most overstated thing going. A team that has Hejduk, Blake, Sakic, Tanguay sucks? Ignore everyone else. Name another team that stacks up to that.
As for the pens? They aren't even close to the best team in state or division. At least the Canuck fans can talk some shit based on something.
Phoenix looks a lot like minnesota with more offense creativity. Annoying, but not disturbing.
Mike Works
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Both the Vancouver Canucks and Calgary Flames are a better team than the Colorado Avalanche right now.Drensch said:
And that's just picking teams out of their division.
You gotta have a goalie to talk some smack jackass....
And I think anyone would take Fleury or T-Bo over that Swiss Cheese Aebisher you got over there. Put Suave in goal for some laughs.
Tanguay feeds off of Sakic on the PP, just like A. Morozov did with Lemieux and pittsburgh... He's no better then that.
The other 3 guys you mentioned are good, I'll give you that.
The pens will compete in the Atlantic this year and be good and will give Philly a run for the money. Count on that.
Don't you just love that in this new era, your talking smack about who has the better team with a team that was gutted so bad over the years it finished last in the previous season?
Accept the new era and live with it. Times have a changed... for the better.
Your team has won 2 stanley cups in the past 15 years, as have the penguins. You have no grounds to talk smack.
And I think anyone would take Fleury or T-Bo over that Swiss Cheese Aebisher you got over there. Put Suave in goal for some laughs.
Tanguay feeds off of Sakic on the PP, just like A. Morozov did with Lemieux and pittsburgh... He's no better then that.
The other 3 guys you mentioned are good, I'll give you that.
The pens will compete in the Atlantic this year and be good and will give Philly a run for the money. Count on that.
Don't you just love that in this new era, your talking smack about who has the better team with a team that was gutted so bad over the years it finished last in the previous season?
Accept the new era and live with it. Times have a changed... for the better.
Your team has won 2 stanley cups in the past 15 years, as have the penguins. You have no grounds to talk smack.
Mike Works
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Well lets see, Vancouver did better than Colorado last (regular) season. Since then we've lost Marek Malik, Brent Sopel, and Artem Chubarov, and signed Richard Park and Anson Carter.
The Calgary Flames finished behind the Avalanche and Canucks, but finished with a terrific second half of the season record, which led them to do better than both the Canucks and Avalanche in the playoffs. I'm not precisely certain with who they've lost and gain during the off season, but off the top of my head they've lost a couple defensemen (commodore and gautier), martin gelinas, and probably someone else, and gained Roman Hamrlik, Darren McCarty, and I think someone else. They've gotten stronger since last season, and they weren't exactly too shabby then.
The Colorado Avalanche have lost Peter Forsberg and Adam Foote, 2 of their best players, and have gained Andrew Brunette (who's alright), Pierre Turgeon, Patrice Brisebois, and a mess of other sub-average players.
The Flames' average looking roster gelled together perfectly last season, and they're a better team now with their acquisitions.
The Canucks' roster, assuming Ohlund and Cooke get signed to their qualifiers or arbitration, are a stronger team than they were last year.
The Avalanche are obviously a weaker team than they were last year.
But you have fun posting those smilies while you can Drensch, because I don't think you're going to be laughing too much when you're watching Patrice Brisebois trying to feed a breakaway pass to Brad May :lol
The Calgary Flames finished behind the Avalanche and Canucks, but finished with a terrific second half of the season record, which led them to do better than both the Canucks and Avalanche in the playoffs. I'm not precisely certain with who they've lost and gain during the off season, but off the top of my head they've lost a couple defensemen (commodore and gautier), martin gelinas, and probably someone else, and gained Roman Hamrlik, Darren McCarty, and I think someone else. They've gotten stronger since last season, and they weren't exactly too shabby then.
The Colorado Avalanche have lost Peter Forsberg and Adam Foote, 2 of their best players, and have gained Andrew Brunette (who's alright), Pierre Turgeon, Patrice Brisebois, and a mess of other sub-average players.
The Flames' average looking roster gelled together perfectly last season, and they're a better team now with their acquisitions.
The Canucks' roster, assuming Ohlund and Cooke get signed to their qualifiers or arbitration, are a stronger team than they were last year.
The Avalanche are obviously a weaker team than they were last year.
But you have fun posting those smilies while you can Drensch, because I don't think you're going to be laughing too much when you're watching Patrice Brisebois trying to feed a breakaway pass to Brad May :lol
They lost Suave :lolKingpen said:
dem
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The Pens are still not a very good team.
The Avalanche are this season are the same as the Blues last season.... no depth. That team is going downhill very fast.
The Flames are overrated.... bottom seed team.
The Canucks forgot that they need 2 more dmen. Still going nowhere with Clutch.
The Leafs will barely squeek into the playoffs.
The Habs will be a top4 team in the east.
The Oilers are great.
The Avalanche are this season are the same as the Blues last season.... no depth. That team is going downhill very fast.
The Flames are overrated.... bottom seed team.
The Canucks forgot that they need 2 more dmen. Still going nowhere with Clutch.
The Leafs will barely squeek into the playoffs.
The Habs will be a top4 team in the east.
The Oilers are great.
Jozef Stumpel signed with Florida. He wanted to come to the Pens, but they're doing everything they can to bring Malkin over instead. It's starting to look better for the Pens that they'll be able to pry Malkin away from Russia. If they didn't think they could get him, they'd have signed Stumpel or Perreault by now.
By the way, Kraft and Morozov are very unlikely to return too.
By the way, Kraft and Morozov are very unlikely to return too.
Jozef Stumpel signed with Florida. He wanted to come to the Pens, but they're doing everything they can to bring Malkin over instead. It's starting to look better for the Pens that they'll be able to pry Malkin away from Russia. If they didn't think they could get him, they'd have signed Stumpel or Perreault by now.
By the way, Kraft and Morozov are very unlikely to return too.
No way. They may not be the best, and they certainly have weaknesses, but they are very much a good team right now. With Lemieux, Crosby, Palffy, Recchi, LeClair, Malone, Gonchar, Tarnstrom, and probably Malkin the Pens can match up anyone offensively. Few teams will be able to compare to the Pens offensively. Their power play will be unstoppable. The defense is weak as it always is, but it'll be much better than it was last season. Gonchar isn't great defensively, but he's a big upgrade, Orpik has a year under his belt and put on more muscle, plus having guys like Scuderi and Poapst over a full season will give the Pens a couple steady but unspectacular defensive defensemen. Thibault's not a top tier goalie, but he's better than anything the Pens have had in recent years.
The Pens will have an explosive offense and a solid goalie that will make up for their defense, which at the very best will only be average. They're undoubtedly a playoff team. If the game really does open up with the rule changes, they could challenge for the Cup. The only thing stopping them is injuries, which is a concern with Lemieux and LeClair especially, but they've got better depth on offense than they've had recently too.
By the way, Kraft and Morozov are very unlikely to return too.
No way. They may not be the best, and they certainly have weaknesses, but they are very much a good team right now. With Lemieux, Crosby, Palffy, Recchi, LeClair, Malone, Gonchar, Tarnstrom, and probably Malkin the Pens can match up anyone offensively. Few teams will be able to compare to the Pens offensively. Their power play will be unstoppable. The defense is weak as it always is, but it'll be much better than it was last season. Gonchar isn't great defensively, but he's a big upgrade, Orpik has a year under his belt and put on more muscle, plus having guys like Scuderi and Poapst over a full season will give the Pens a couple steady but unspectacular defensive defensemen. Thibault's not a top tier goalie, but he's better than anything the Pens have had in recent years.
The Pens will have an explosive offense and a solid goalie that will make up for their defense, which at the very best will only be average. They're undoubtedly a playoff team. If the game really does open up with the rule changes, they could challenge for the Cup. The only thing stopping them is injuries, which is a concern with Lemieux and LeClair especially, but they've got better depth on offense than they've had recently too.
Gonchar is an upgrade on the offensive side only. Between him and Poapst, you have a couple of Dana Murzyn-esque pylons, God help you if they're paired up. 8-8 shootouts galore! 
Anson Carter's going in for a physical either Friday or Saturday, and will sign with the Canucks pending the results. In Lightning Land...
Anson Carter's going in for a physical either Friday or Saturday, and will sign with the Canucks pending the results. In Lightning Land...
St Louis to the Canucks/Leafs/Flyers/Predators! Man, as good as Marty was looking at practice on Monday...maybe they should have extended an offer to him instead of Vinny.
Yeah, I just realized that myself. Now the guesswork/rumour bill begins!
Is there a website that shows how much salary space each team has? Because at this point, since he could probably go for 6.5+ mill, it's going to be the teams that have been particularly quiet that have the best shot at him. He's also already won a Cup, so he may not be as concerned about signing with a contender.
Is there a website that shows how much salary space each team has? Because at this point, since he could probably go for 6.5+ mill, it's going to be the teams that have been particularly quiet that have the best shot at him. He's also already won a Cup, so he may not be as concerned about signing with a contender.
The Pens' defense right now is no worse than it was in the mid to late 90's. The offense is on par with where it was the last time they made the playoffs in 2000-2001 with Lemieux, Jagr, Straka, Kovalev, and Lang, except they have more depth, more toughness, and a better locker room now. Thibault is a better goalie than most of the scrubs they've had. While the rule changes may not increase scoring significantly, things surely will be more open now. If the Pens can stay healthy, they're going to the playoffs and pretty deep at that. If the teams they had in the late nineties could make it into the second or third round with the way the game was, there's no way they won't this year unless a bunch of guys go down for a significant amount of time.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature.asp?fid=6926 <-EastSocreges said:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature.asp?fid=7006 <-West
But there's a bunch of salaries that are still undisclosed to the public.
I eagerly await our escalating series of avatar wagers throughout the season.dem said:
Much like I'm looking forward to Mess's halting, glum post elimination presser in April when he talks about how sad he is he wasn't able to lead the Oil to the playoffs and how despite having only 15 points he hopes the coaches keep him on the PP for the remaining 2 years of his contract.Despite being so glaringly wrong in 2 instances, the rest of your predictions look fairly sane.
ForzaItalia
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Manics said:
And the same crappy D and a goalie with the back of an 85 year old farmer.
P.S. Leafs will still finish ahead of Montreal.
Does anyone know what's going on with hockey jerseys? Is Reebok just doing the authentic jerseys or are they making the replicas too? I want to get a new Pens jersey but I've been waiting to see what's going on. I can't find any anywhere around here, and even the shop on NHL.com is out of the black Pens replicas.
Mike Works
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bishoptl said:
Anyone up for a I Bet Those Two Pools Will Be Related pool?Fifty said:
Ok. I'll buy that, losing Foote and Forsberg. Other than the team has more depth, and better goaltending than anyone else in the division. But I'd say That Forsberg didn't play for us the last 2 seasons or so, and we did fine.
As it stands:
D: Blake, Liles, Skrastins, Boughner, Vaaanen, Sauer, Briesbrois. 4 of them are at least as good as anyone else out west. Blake is arguably the best their is, Liles was damn good last season, ROY material just short of Lidstrom in points in less games. Skrastins is way underrated, and Boughner is solid as hell.
And for some reason the Avs just resigned Leschyshyn(who apparently can still play 20 mins).
O: Sakic, Tanguay, Hejduk-there isn't a better line, period, even though they'll probably be broken up.
Svatos is ROY material and could easily put up 30 plus goals.
Konawalchuk is underrated as well.
Brunette was good for 15 goals in MN, which is like 25 anywhere else.
I'm not gonna list fight, but as I said, the avs have lost 1 contributor from last season, Foote.
G: Aebischer 3rd in wins out west, and the highest sv pct of any starter in the west, in his first year.
To act as if they've completely lost the team is a joke. If anything they've added depth with guys like Laaksonen and Laperriere.
Regardless, I'd take the Avs current roster over any team out west. Seriously, take a look at the rosters. Did the Calgary and Edmonton get better? Sure. Are they better? No. We'll see how it turns out.
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Am I the only one that doesn't see Mario Lemieux playing more than 25 games this season?
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