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Official "One more thing..." Apple Event thread
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sonycowboy
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DarienA said:
The number of convergent devices is putting everybody in competition:
iPod: Music, photos, movies
Archos/Video devices: movies, photos, music
PSP: Games, movies, music, photos, online
Cell Phones: Phone, camera, games, music, photos, video, online
PDA's: Applications, music, movies, photos, online,
Gizmondo: Games, GPS, music, movies, photos, online
I think Cell phones are the biggest competition for them all, because everybody will have a cell phone.
WHY has the regular line been slowing down a bit? because mini/nano ate into it. so apple is giving up a lower margin sale for a higher margin sale...soundwave05 said:
umm, you REALLY have no idea what you are talking about. there are guys making 6 figures to research and design this shit. bigger screen affects battery performance, space available inside the unit, weight of the unit, cost overhead, size/thickness, etc. to just say "there is space there" is really borderline retarded.
lol. and apple can use those SAME screens in the ipod. :\
yet the regular ipod was still seeing steady sales. again you make no sense.
your tag has never been mroe fitting.
truffleshuffle83
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i said it before and ill say it again...if apple and palm would make a phone similar to the treo 650 with a 30 gb hard drive and able to use palm applications and hot sync with itunes it would be the best device ever
i dont see how this negates the nano. i dont want video on it. its the cheapest sexiest 4 gig of flash you can find anywhere. and oh yeah its an ipod too
i dont see how this negates the nano. i dont want video on it. its the cheapest sexiest 4 gig of flash you can find anywhere. and oh yeah its an ipod too
H.264 video: up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formatsxsarien said:
MPEG-4 video: up to 2.5 mbps, 480 x 480, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4 and .mov file formats
NICE! and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this mean it will play DivX/Xvid out of the box (in an mp4 container of course)?
The Faceless Master
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yoiu actually tried to buy something knowing that the site is beig hammered and are shocked it didnt complete?ManaByte said:
does it at least let you restart or something?
Phoenix
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soundwave05 said:
Only if they wanted to make the unit thicker. There are almost no electronics behind the screen as heat + LCD == not good. The meat of the unit is actually down there where the clickwheel is. So they have a choice of making the unit thicker/fatter to display video (which there is NO market for right now compared to the existing market for music), or expanding the unit wide.
Now I've heard people say to make the unit widescreen for HD. Clearly people don't understand 2 things. 1) Encoding HD video takes a long time, 2) Encoding HD video takes a shitload of space. When you're talking about being able to have a media device capable of reasonably doing both and being able to carry around non trivial amounts of media - you need 100GB+ drives, easily - as anyone who has any encoded HD content on their machine can attest. Its amazing that so many people who probably don't even have a large HD set in their homes would be complaining that the iPod should have a larger HD screen.
Callo Merlose
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This upgrade is useless.
soundwave05
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Of course bigger screen affects battery performance, but really do you honestly think a 2.5 inch screen was the absolute best Apple could do in the year 2005? On a product that costs $400?
C'mon.
I'm not accussing Jobs of helping O.J. kill his wife, but Apple would hardly be the first company to rush out a half-assed product to cash in on the all important Christmas rush.
I think this is more of a case of meeting sales targets and balancing spreadsheets rather than offering the consumer the best possible product.
Which often happens in a market when one company dominates thouroughly. Apple needs some real competetion in the portable arena, today's product announcements just made that a lot more clear to me.
C'mon.
I'm not accussing Jobs of helping O.J. kill his wife, but Apple would hardly be the first company to rush out a half-assed product to cash in on the all important Christmas rush.
I think this is more of a case of meeting sales targets and balancing spreadsheets rather than offering the consumer the best possible product.
Which often happens in a market when one company dominates thouroughly. Apple needs some real competetion in the portable arena, today's product announcements just made that a lot more clear to me.
truffleshuffle83
Banned
well the could make it like the mock up where the click wheel was smaller and the screen was almost like a widescreen when turned sideways
you are charged for the purchase immediately, but it registers if the download succeeded or not. if the download didn't succeed it remains on your account to redownload. this is handled client side (and why you can use programs like SharpeMusic to redownload purchased songs even after you download them the first time).The Faceless Master said:
This is as old as the iTMS itself.
yes it does. go into your apple.com account (through itunes) and it will be there as a purchase ready to download.ManaByte said:
soundwave05
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borghe said:
I don't believe there's any competetion from any company that makes Apple sweat.
The Archos/iRivers/etc. of the world will never be able to compete with Apple and Apple knows that.
Sony is the one company that really could, but they're so mired in corporate political bullshit that they can't get anything done.
Hopefully for the consumer's sake, this situation will change and Apple will be forced to compete moreso in the future. Right now, it's a joke.
Phoenix
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truffleshuffle83 said:
The unit is not intended to be a video player so doing that and having one gigantic screen would be a waste of time and money for the iPod which is still primarily a MUSIC player. I mean seriously, look around at how well all the other true 'video' players are doing. The market isn't there yet and there is no point running a seperate product line to serve this small audience - a lesson that they learned with the iPod photo... there was little to no reason to introduce that product at the time. There was nearly no market for people who wanted to view photos on the go. It was an interesting 'add on', but it didn't deserve to be its own product line.
on the downside, boo to 4:3 video. I thought we were making progress with letterboxed programming on network analog TV. now we are moving back to 4:3 again. 
now with videos apple did the exact same thing. if you honestly believe even a moderate percentage of people are going to be bitching about the screen, you are crazy. people will think it's novel, will download a couple of videos and enjoy them on their ipod, and apple will have proven to be right and you wrong. I get your preference, your fault is insisting that it is somehow objectively fact. You claim apple is doing this for a dollar push despite evidence to the contrary (more nano colors would have been a bigger dollar boost to apple than this) and are complaining about something that the majority of people either like or consider a non-factor.
whatever, I really am done. you will continue I know, but at least it won't waste any more of my time.
so lucky for apple every other company sucks or is in some way deficient? bullshit. now you are just being obtuse to the achievments apple has made in the DAP industry. Do you really think apple is where they are solely because of marketing? Here is a clue for you. I love my ipod. The thing controls like a wet dream. the itunes/ipod interface is as slick as they come and buying tunes is a simple as clicking a button.
now with videos apple did the exact same thing. if you honestly believe even a moderate percentage of people are going to be bitching about the screen, you are crazy. people will think it's novel, will download a couple of videos and enjoy them on their ipod, and apple will have proven to be right and you wrong. I get your preference, your fault is insisting that it is somehow objectively fact. You claim apple is doing this for a dollar push despite evidence to the contrary (more nano colors would have been a bigger dollar boost to apple than this) and are complaining about something that the majority of people either like or consider a non-factor.
whatever, I really am done. you will continue I know, but at least it won't waste any more of my time.
truffleshuffle83
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how would it be unusable when held normally. its not that hard to flip the unit sideways to watch a movie. by default it could show songs vertically it would just show more of the songs in that playlist then when a movie is playing it could auto switch to a horizontal view.
Phoenix
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truffleshuffle83 said:
Depends on whether you intend to hold your $300+ device with one hand or two. With one hand all of the padding is on the right of the device and hopefully you don't need to move much around because most of the weight of the device is to the left of where you're holding the device. if you're holding it with two hands they'd need to do it closer to the PSP because there isn't enough real estate in the mock to hold the device on the left side unless you're touching the screen itself.
soundwave05
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I dunno, I have my brother's i-Pod in front of me, seems like you'd be able to still use it fine with one hand, even if the clickwheel was only on the very botton 1/3 of the unit.
The i-Pod isn't *that* heavy.
The i-Pod isn't *that* heavy.
truffleshuffle83
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i watch videos on my treo 650 and i turn it sideways, works out just fine
Kung Fu Jedi
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As a point of comparison, my Archos AV 400, with a 4.5 inch screen gets about 5 hours of battery life (larger battery than the iPod) and the 20 GB drive stores about 80 hours of video, depending on how it's encoded. Mine currently has the entire third season of Alias, all three Star Wars OT DVD's ripped, an episode of the US version of The Office, the latest episode of Surface, and all the pictures from my vacation last year. Still has something like 8 GB's free or something.
no LOST in the UK store :/
and videos are £1.89!!!! as a comparison, music tracks are £0.79
and I appear to only have the video, not the song. I'll try tomorrow to see if I can sync to my nano. DRM is listed as 'fairplay 2'
Still, I consider this a 'soft' launch. some TV, some pop videos. only 2 hours playback on the 30GB! Get the wheels turning ready for the proper ipod video. I'll hold on 6 months before rebuying a big HDD unit again.
and videos are £1.89!!!! as a comparison, music tracks are £0.79
and I appear to only have the video, not the song. I'll try tomorrow to see if I can sync to my nano. DRM is listed as 'fairplay 2'
Still, I consider this a 'soft' launch. some TV, some pop videos. only 2 hours playback on the 30GB! Get the wheels turning ready for the proper ipod video. I'll hold on 6 months before rebuying a big HDD unit again.
soundwave05
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Nash said:
What if in vertical/music playing mode, the clickwheel was above the screen rather than below it?
That would let the thumb access the clickwheel without having to bend at an awkward angle.
truffleshuffle83
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i see what youre saying, but you could make the screen a little longer and flip it and it would be better. maybe not exactly like the mockup
^^^^ if the clickwheel was above the screen it wouldnt be akward but your hand would be over the screen and you wouldnt be able to see the songs you wanted
^^^^ if the clickwheel was above the screen it wouldnt be akward but your hand would be over the screen and you wouldnt be able to see the songs you wanted
Doc Savage
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This is Apple putting it's toe into the water. Introducing it gently to the user base and becoming more robust with future refreshes to the product line. I am very interested in the new ipod but will wait to see what changes with the next generation.
I use this baby as my portable video player. The screen is totally badass when it is used in its widescreen mode and it plays everything you can throw at it without encoding it all night. I do like the idea of being able to buy television shows though, so that is a nice plus for apple, but if I am buying a TV show I want it at a HD resolution.
Oh yeah, my Axim doubles as a kickass ereader and GPS solution now too.
soundwave05
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Video on portable is going to be huge, no one's really done it right yet, but if that many people are willing to pay $20 for PSP UMDs, I think this type of a service is going to be big.
I also think this is really going to reignite the music video format as a whole -- MTV really doesn't play many music videos anymore, the internet was becoming a more popular way for people to watch music videos on.
I like what Apple is doing and offering service wise (music videos, focus on downloadable TV episodes, etc.) it's just the hardware they're offering is less than ideal right now. I was definitely hoping for a bit more from Apple.
bionic -- Does that have a HDD in it?
I also think this is really going to reignite the music video format as a whole -- MTV really doesn't play many music videos anymore, the internet was becoming a more popular way for people to watch music videos on.
I like what Apple is doing and offering service wise (music videos, focus on downloadable TV episodes, etc.) it's just the hardware they're offering is less than ideal right now. I was definitely hoping for a bit more from Apple.
bionic -- Does that have a HDD in it?
truffleshuffle83
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bionic77 said:
I use this baby as my portable video player. The screen is totally badass when it is used in its widescreen mode and it plays everything you can throw at it without encoding it all night. I do like the idea of being able to buy television shows though, so that is a nice plus for apple, but if I am buying a TV show I want it at a HD resolution.
Oh yeah, my Axim doubles as a kickass ereader and GPS solution now too.
ahhh if it was a palm product id let it slide, but pocketpc's are terrible, there are just so many better apps for palm products. its a little to big and its not a phone either
Kung Fu Jedi
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xsarien said:
It is absolutely bigger than the new iPod. That wasn't what I meant to compare. I was trying to offer insight into battery life on a different product, and how much video you could get on a 20 GB drive. Obviously the 30 GB drive has plenty of space to spare.
Also, the Archos comes with a nice dock that can be attached to a TV set to record any type of output, including DVD's, VHS, TV, etc. It even has a scheduling system, much like a VCR, that allows you to use it as a portable DVR. The included remote rocks too.
truffleshuffle83 said:
Soundwave, no HD in it. It has slots for SD and CF cards though. I have about three gigs in there which cost me about 120 bucks (after rebates). 1 gig is dedicated to GPS though. The screen is pure sex though. The space doesn't bother me as it takes about a minute to transfer a gig onto the card through a card reader. It isn't cheap either. I got the PDA for a graduation present and I think my sisters spent about 350 on it. I then spent another 120 on the cards and another 200 on a GPS reciever and the software that came with it. The GPS and video on the go are both such cool things to have though.
Truffle, I would say it is the other way around these days and pocketpc have surpassed the palm line.
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