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Official Pre-Release Halo 2 Topic
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OG_Original Gamer
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Fuck yeah, Master Chief here to save world. Fuck Yeah...
MightyHedgehog
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OG_Original Gamer said:
Master Chief, fuck yeah!
Comin' to save the motherfucking day, yeah!
Master Chief, fuck yeah!!
Freedom is the only way!
Master Chief, fuck yeah!!!
Anyway...one of the few really funny bits in that flick...
DopeyFish said:
Those Incubus tracks are awful, and even worse, they are pretentious with the stupid cliched titles :The Oddyssey (1st movement, 2nd movement, blah, blah).
Argh... those extra tracks, with the exception of Steve Vai will fuck up that soundtrack. Such awful crap on an otherwise fantastic soundtrack.
Kabuki Waq
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I agree i would love to try out some EPic movie and Anime soundtracks while playing online. It added so much to the atmosphere while playing the Conflict games and counterstrike.
Mr. Lemming
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per bungie.net
Burger
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Wow, ignoring the lighting, which is totally different, the level of detail on the MC is insanely different. His visor is actually reflecting the environment (wether or not it's realtime or a custom reflection map) looks so much better than 'default yellow'.
Armor is much much more detailed.
Armor is much much more detailed.
Ramirez said:
A couple things to point out - the shot on the left is from a pretty crappy (and compressed) version of the trailer, while the one on the right is from a super-high res version of the launch trailer.
Note lack of polygon edges in the MC's suit on the left shot; also, the setting has shifted from night in space to daytime on earth. The only real loss is the realtime reflective visor. Also, the 'look' of the game has changed quite a bit, from ultra-realistic to more colorful.
Bungie also expanded the scale that the engine could handle. By all accounts, the game looks as good as Halo up close, and at a much, much larger scale.
IJoel said:
Come now, while they were being overly optimistic with that original trailer, there is no way they could have pulled off a Doom 3 style renderer on the XBOX with the way Halo plays...
Riddick managed pretty well, but the environments were very small and the action was generally limited to a low number of enemies (there was also that whole pixelation issue).
No, the entire lighting system was completely changed. That's quite a massive difference...
Burger
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Nobody should give too much of a crap, the game still looks and plays better than anything else on the Xbox.
Not sure why they changed the actual model of the suit though, look at the shoulder socket, it looks terrible in that shot. Mind you, I've seen that cinematic (from H2) and I didn't give a toss then.
Not sure why they changed the actual model of the suit though, look at the shoulder socket, it looks terrible in that shot. Mind you, I've seen that cinematic (from H2) and I didn't give a toss then.
Gorey said:
Well, it seemed as if they were initially going for a unified lighting model ala Doom 3 and Riddick. Not only was it shown in early trailers, it was also talked about from a gameplay perspective. Bungie discussed the idea of taking out lighting the room and such and watching the shadows dance around as you fire your weapons in the darkness. That kind of thing...
Now, it seems that they have returned to the same style of lighting found in Halo 1 (perhaps not even that good, actually).
If you really look back at old information, you can clearly see that a LOT of features were dropped from the game. The game is VERY different from what was originally discussed and shown by Bungie. That old E3 2003 level, for example, does not really represent the game at all...and that was already missing a lot of features.
The game should still be excellent, but I fear that people may end up disappointed due to the changes and missed promises...
Burger
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dark10x said:
You are wrong.
Wrong for perhaps the wrong reasons. I for one won't be upset that the shadows are different or the E3 level is re-worked. The E3 level looked so crappy anyway I was hoping it got the chop.
I suspect the Halo 2 nutboys will get up in arms for a totally different reason alltogether.
dark10x said:
Well, I'm not disappointed at how it will look now, but the fact that they were somewhat deceiving with those graphics in that X02 video.
Don't get me wrong, there's no game I'm anticipating more, than Halo 2, but frankly the difference between the two is very VERY drastic.
A lot of elitist fans who feel "betrayed" will make it seem that way though. A select few at TXB have already started calling Bungie liars. Heh.
And Burger, dark10x was really talking about the game as a whole, not just the difference in shadows. HALO 2 isn't what everybody thought it would be pre-E32k3.
And Burger, dark10x was really talking about the game as a whole, not just the difference in shadows. HALO 2 isn't what everybody thought it would be pre-E32k3.
Burger
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Sai said:
TXB = Loosers. I can totally recall seeing the words "This is completley indicitive of the final product" right after that initial trailer.
And so what if someones preconceptions of Halo 2 are different than Bungies game ?? It is their game after all, they don't have to make apologies for anyone.
Burger said:
It's just that it looks way too different. From a software development perspective, if I'm writing unoptimized code, and I get (in this case) 60 fps with 1 character in an area that's not polygon intensive, I know I WILL HAVE TO REDUCE the quality in order to be able to sustain more intensive areas with more effects and characters. More specifically in Halo since at times there are more than 10 characters in the screen.
Anyway... again, I'm just somewhat surprised the difference is THAT radical. I did expect a difference, but that's a hell of a lot. I'm sure it'll still look fantastic and I'll love it. But you just can't just deny that the difference is quite drastic.
Thanks for the info, Dark.
Dissapointing, but Halo 2 is still a shooter, so Frames/Sec > Eye Candy. Damn the announce trailer looked fine, though.
Although, it is interesting that one of the 'selling points' for the sequel, commonly discussed among my friends (generally a much more casual set of gamer types), are the 'enhanced graphics'. I wonder if they really are all that enchanced.
Personally I don't give a toss as long as the action and epic feel carries over from Halo 1. Don't get me started on Online Co-op though
Dissapointing, but Halo 2 is still a shooter, so Frames/Sec > Eye Candy. Damn the announce trailer looked fine, though.
Although, it is interesting that one of the 'selling points' for the sequel, commonly discussed among my friends (generally a much more casual set of gamer types), are the 'enhanced graphics'. I wonder if they really are all that enchanced.
Personally I don't give a toss as long as the action and epic feel carries over from Halo 1. Don't get me started on Online Co-op though
Burger
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Deku Tree said:
You can, although it's not on rails like the E3 demo was.
Neither did I. Although to tell the truth, I probably would have never noticed unless I saw that screenshot. I bet Bungie just wanted to show off with the X02 trailer, I can't see any other reason for it. I mean, if they had released the trailer with Halo 1 visuals, there would have been a public outcry.
They had the fans salivating after that was shown, and knew they had enough unseen goodies up their sleeves to compensate for any drop in visual quality.
Anyway, I'm not concerned. The "New Mombassa" (E3 level) opening, graphics, gameplay, level design etc from the real Halo 2 is way way ahead of the E3 version.
Burger said:
As was noted, I was not simply talking about the shadows...
I was talking about the game as a whole. Halo 2 is different than what I'd imagine many people were expecting and many features that were talked about are not present.
I have the Halo 2 blowout issue of EGM in front of me with a bunch of info...
There is a section (big section) that says "What's new in Halo 2" and everything shown was cut!
There is no sprinting, no combo attacks, no leaning, etc.
Then you have the vehicles that were removed. There were 4 new types of Warthogs, and none of them made it. The ATV isn't there either.
There is more stuff kinda like that.
Honestly, it doesn't bother me too terribly much. I'm still very excited about the game and do not really care about the missing features...but they were very clearly presented to us and none of them made the final. I just believe that SOME people will end up being very disappointed as a result...
Really, they were WAY too optimistic when it came to revealing the game. They simply should have avoided revealing what they did. I'm sure most games have tons of ideas that get scrapped along the way, but they usually don't go and make massive cover stories about those features only to cut them (unless, of course, we are talking about a Molyneux game)
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