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Ah, well I'm glad that the series is going to be completed, but I'm a little miffed that it's probably going to take a long time to get to the new material. But thanks for the clarification.
 
I'm not surprised at hearing its cancellation, overall the series has been pretty weak with the exception of the latest few subbed eps. They had a decent idea and a likeable cast of characters, but the stories so far have pretty much been tripe. It's a shame, really.
 
Yeah, I'd have to agree there. Champloo has a few stand-out episodes (1 and 14) where everything comes together perfectly, and some eps (like 15) where the production values save the poor script, but mostly it's far too cliche-ridden and inconsistent. You can tell that this series could have gone in a different direction, since despite its nagging flaws most of champloo's eps are fun and rewatchable; it's just that those flaws become more pronounced when compared to the expectations most had going into the series, and how it's so easy to see a better way to handle the cookie-cutter story elements that get thrown in.

I think it's a fun show, and worth watching (especially recently), but unless there's tight story arc that starts with episode 18 I'd say Shinichiro Watanabe's portfolio will be tarnished a bit by his current work.
 
seems people are finally liking this series so I spose its time to ask again.

Did the action in champloo ever get back up to the quality of the first episode? I've watche dlike 1-6 and just dropped it at that point because everything after episode 1 was poor in comparison.
 
slayn said:
seems people are finally liking this series so I spose its time to ask again.

Did the action in champloo ever get back up to the quality of the first episode? I've watche dlike 1-6 and just dropped it at that point because everything after episode 1 was poor in comparison.
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Good god yes. 7 was pretty good. 8 was kinda weird but fun. 9 was REALLY bizarre but cool. 10 was really good. 11 was fantastic. 12 was a recap episode but still kind of amusing. 13 - 14 were absolutely unbelievably tremendous...14 in particular being the undisputed best episode in the series thus far. 15 is really terrific too with the best animation we've seen since episode 1.

So you pretty much stopped right before the series really took off.

Just don't be expecting much of a "main plot."
 
slayn said:
seems people are finally liking this series so I spose its time to ask again.

Did the action in champloo ever get back up to the quality of the first episode? I've watche dlike 1-6 and just dropped it at that point because everything after episode 1 was poor in comparison.
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7 and 8 are pretty weak, 9 kinda cool... Then 10 kicks all kinds of ass. The cliche villain of the week but a good one. 11 very good, 12 a recap so thats gay. But then 13-15 have been some of the best stuff we've seen. Episode 15 shines in comedy and animation where as 13-14 has the show running on all cylinders. The action gets back to that point of "holy shit!!" a lot recently
 
duckroll said:
Then you don't know anything about Japan and anime. 80% of all anime are shown past midnight, and most are shown past 1am.

Once again, stop talking out of your ass. :)
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Cowboy Bebop was cancelled on Fuji TV because it was too violent and completed on WOWOW. That's what beboparia said in their irc channel, I think he's the translator for the group that's up to 14 (out today). So it is possible that fuji TV cancelled champloo because it was too violent-- or it played a part in its cancellation.

duckroll said:
No, I meant that they're going to reair from scratch, and eventually finish it. It'll also be complete on DVD. So relax, there are still 26 episodes, just not on FujiTV.
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beboparia says the satellite channel has been airing champloo for a LONG time but they're a few episodes behind.

If they continue on this schedule episode 18 of champloo will air on 11-7-2004.

Where did you hear they're re-airing from scratch?
 
Chrono said:
Cowboy Bebop was cancelled on Fuji TV because it was too violent and completed on WOWOW. That's what beboparia said in their irc channel, I think he's the translator for the group that's up to 14 (out today). So it is possible that fuji TV cancelled champloo because it was too violent-- or it played a part in its cancellation.
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i was going to mention that but it was to early in the morning and i was half asleep.
 
To be honest i dont really see the ending being any big conclusion anyway, just one of those "and the adventure continued" kind of endings. The last few episodes have been great and i cant wait to see more but i do get the impression that its just a series that simply offers mild thrills but isnt really going anywhere.
 
just to make sure I wasn't asking about the story or animation or overall quality or anything. Its just the fight between the two main characters in episode 1 was really really good, and all battles in episodes 2-6 kinda sucked. So I just wanted to know if the battles themselves, not everything else, had improved.
 
slayn said:
just to make sure I wasn't asking about the story or animation or overall quality or anything. Its just the fight between the two main characters in episode 1 was really really good, and all battles in episodes 2-6 kinda sucked. So I just wanted to know if the battles themselves, not everything else, had improved.
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Umm...well, 15 has some of the coolest fights yet. The other episodes (especially 9 and 10) have some cool fights too, but most of the fights tend to be short and badass, not long drawn out acrobatic affairs.

It's like Bebop. Fights are a relatively small-ish part of the show.

Actually, the most badass and brutal "fight" in the series lasted about a second and a half. So I guess it really depends on what your looking for. If you're intending to just fast forward to all the crazy cool kung fu fights, you're probably going to be disappointed.
 
slayn said:
just to make sure I wasn't asking about the story or animation or overall quality or anything. Its just the fight between the two main characters in episode 1 was really really good, and all battles in episodes 2-6 kinda sucked. So I just wanted to know if the battles themselves, not everything else, had improved.
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yeah, I know what you mean. I reatched that fight in the first one so many times. The ones from about 2-7 didnt have much strategy. Some of Mugen's uneccessary flips in like, episode 3, didnt flow like the whole fight did in episode 1. Episode 8 has a pretty well choreographed fight though short. I actually forgot what was in this epispode. It was pretty good. Episode 9 was just a cool episode, very entertaining. 10 has the best action since the first one. 11 follows up, keeping the action standards up high, and having an amazing story.

I really suggest you start watching again if you liked the first episode. The action definetly has improved and I know Wantanabe will have a lot more stand out episodes in store. Bebop also really hit its stride around the 2 parter, jupiter jazz, and never slowed down. Chemistry with the characters really started hitting its stride also the 2nd part. I can see the same thing happening with Champloo as there are some moments that give you chills. But yeah, as far as the action you're worried about, its definetly improved. Much more thought out
 
The thing with Bebop is that the main arc is spread out in the series but Champloo haven't have any hint of the main arc even upto 15 eps. Well... maybe 1 so far if you count first episode. I think it's going to come down to last X eps (4+) to be about the main arc which I THINK is better.
 
Mugen said:
The thing with Bebop is that the main arc is spread out in the series but Champloo haven't have any hint of the main arc even upto 15 eps. Well... maybe 1 so far if you count first episode. I think it's going to come down to last X eps (4+) to be about the main arc which I THINK is better.
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Well, there have been little tiny bits and pieces here and there sprinkled throughout some of the episodes. But yeah, I imagine we'll only really get "the story" right at the end.
 
Chrono said:
Cowboy Bebop was cancelled on Fuji TV because it was too violent and completed on WOWOW. That's what beboparia said in their irc channel, I think he's the translator for the group that's up to 14 (out today). So it is possible that fuji TV cancelled champloo because it was too violent-- or it played a part in its cancellation.
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Cowboy Bebop was NEVER on FujiTV. It was on TV Tokyo, which has minimal actual violence in almost all their shows (notice the lack of blood on Noir, Madlax, Gungrave, etc). It was also terrible timing because of the Tokyo subway terrorism crap from the cult. :( It was reshown in it's complete form on WOWOW later on.

beboparia says the satellite channel has been airing champloo for a LONG time but they're a few episodes behind.

If they continue on this schedule episode 18 of champloo will air on 11-7-2004.

Where did you hear they're re-airing from scratch?
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My mistake, I haven't been following Champloo and I just assumed that it was starting from scratch on another network in future since it was mentioned that it was moving to another channel. My point was that it wasn't moving and the other airing was unconnected to it being canned on FujiTV. :)
 
Episode 14 was absolutely gorgeous

Everything else has been very bland and uninteresting.

They could release episode 13 & 14 on a DVD with some additional footage and have a great flick. Toss everything else.
 
EviLore said:
Yeah, I'd have to agree there. Champloo has a few stand-out episodes (1 and 14) where everything comes together perfectly, and some eps (like 15) where the production values save the poor script, but mostly it's far too cliche-ridden and inconsistent. You can tell that this series could have gone in a different direction, since despite its nagging flaws most of champloo's eps are fun and rewatchable; it's just that those flaws become more pronounced when compared to the expectations most had going into the series, and how it's so easy to see a better way to handle the cookie-cutter story elements that get thrown in.

I think it's a fun show, and worth watching (especially recently), but unless there's tight story arc that starts with episode 18 I'd say Shinichiro Watanabe's portfolio will be tarnished a bit by his current work.
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...doesn't this just as accurately describe Cowboy Bebop?



Regardless, 15 has been released by the slower guys.
 
btw, you guys think Jin will ever use 2 swords at the same time? He always carries two of em around. Wonder if there's a reason or its just a style.
 
J2 Cool said:
btw, you guys think Jin will ever use 2 swords at the same time? He always carries two of em around. Wonder if there's a reason or its just a style.
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One is just a wakizashi while the other is a katana, right? They have different uses, and Jin fights more or less in a relatively traditional style, so I would have to guess he probably won't ever use two swords at once.

Mugen would, though.
 
MetatronM said:
Well, there have been little tiny bits and pieces here and there sprinkled throughout some of the episodes. But yeah, I imagine we'll only really get "the story" right at the end.
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i read some interview with watanabe and he said that this show isnt about the actual story, like it isnt about them finding the guy that smells like sunflowers, but about thier journey and interactions with each other.

so its a story about side storys i guess.

anyways, i thought 15 owned. 14 is still the best tho.

peace
 
Fixed2BeBroken said:
so its a story about side storys i guess.
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It's show about nothing.

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MetatronM said:
...doesn't this just as accurately describe Cowboy Bebop?
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I don't think so. I'm going through another run of Bebop at the moment, just to get a feel for what really sets it apart from Champloo, and there are some significances. For one, Bebop's overall production is more consistent; I can only think of one scene in the show that's assembled poorly (toys in the attic, Faye walking in the cylinder area); otherwise Bebop doesn't have any problems with art or exceedingly low frame counts in its episodes. Yeah, BoFA/TRFB (and to a lesser extent JJ) can be considered the standout eps, but there are a number of non-Vicious stories that have great music and cool encounters.

Speaking of music, Bebop has a LOT of it, and if not 100% "good," damn near all the tracks suit the episodes they're placed in. This is something that Champloo is lacking, though I don't have any problem with the soundtrack there. The music in Bebop immerses, as well as providing an area of interest during the slow transitions or ponderances.

Outside of consistency and great music, Bebop has another edge in the story area. The setting probably has a lot to do with this, since it's easier to be a little creative in a very loose scifi setting than in the rigid near-past of Japan. You can see the authors of Champloo making the attempt, inserting off-beat characters and situations, but it never quite gets away from the cliched. Of course, Bebop's episodes dealing with the characters' pasts are great, and you really get a sense of the crew's motivations -- something that isn't *quite* shared by Champloo currently, but Mugen's two-parter shed some much-needed light, and Jin's upcoming eps should help as well.

If the level of quality I've seen from the last few eps holds to the end of the series, then there's a chance that I'd put it at or above Bebop's level. Really, though, as I said, Champloo's been fun but pretty inconsistent so far.
 
Ok, it's official now that Samurai Champloo will "continue" in Jan 2005. BS Fuji, the satellite station that is also airing Champloo will show ep18-26 starting in Jan 2005. So the speculation as to whether BS Fuji will actually stop at ep17 as well or not can now end. :)

So I guess that's good news!
 
Hmm...I have a feeling my ISP blocked my usual torrent site. I haven't been able to access it for days. :(

Regardless, yay for 17. Too bad it's going to be months before we can continue. :(
 
EviLore said:
I don't think so. I'm going through another run of Bebop at the moment, just to get a feel for what really sets it apart from Champloo, and there are some significances. For one, Bebop's overall production is more consistent; I can only think of one scene in the show that's assembled poorly (toys in the attic, Faye walking in the cylinder area); otherwise Bebop doesn't have any problems with art or exceedingly low frame counts in its episodes. Yeah, BoFA/TRFB (and to a lesser extent JJ) can be considered the standout eps, but there are a number of non-Vicious stories that have great music and cool encounters.

Speaking of music, Bebop has a LOT of it, and if not 100% "good," damn near all the tracks suit the episodes they're placed in. This is something that Champloo is lacking, though I don't have any problem with the soundtrack there. The music in Bebop immerses, as well as providing an area of interest during the slow transitions or ponderances.

Outside of consistency and great music, Bebop has another edge in the story area. The setting probably has a lot to do with this, since it's easier to be a little creative in a very loose scifi setting than in the rigid near-past of Japan. You can see the authors of Champloo making the attempt, inserting off-beat characters and situations, but it never quite gets away from the cliched. Of course, Bebop's episodes dealing with the characters' pasts are great, and you really get a sense of the crew's motivations -- something that isn't *quite* shared by Champloo currently, but Mugen's two-parter shed some much-needed light, and Jin's upcoming eps should help as well.

If the level of quality I've seen from the last few eps holds to the end of the series, then there's a chance that I'd put it at or above Bebop's level. Really, though, as I said, Champloo's been fun but pretty inconsistent so far.
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Is Bebop still not the greatest anime ever? :p
 
I'm excited. New One Piece. New Champloo. Rock out.

I got the raw just to get a quick sneak peek at the episode a few days ago (like, say, the first 2 minutes or so). It looks like it's going to be hilarious.
 
woot. I think 19 is my favorite episodes after 13/14.

Oh my God!! :lol

We also get to know a bit about the Samurai Fuu is looking for. XD

19 spoilers -- careful...
We were all expecting him to be either father or someone she's to get revenge on. It looks like the former. We already know he might be Dutch, and now with the Christian twist it could be interesting.
 
Yeah, this was the best episode since 14.

And finally actually plot. So you people bitching about how there's no development can all STFU. :lol


Actually, the sunflower samurai is both her father AND someone she wants to get revenge on. :D
 
MetatronM said:
Yeah, this was the best episode since 14.

And finally actually plot. So you people bitching about how there's no development can all STFU. :lol
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You’re talking to me?

Seriously the series is better now. If they continue this and the last 3-4 episodes are all plot I'll die a happy man. XD

Actually, the sunflower samurai is both her father AND someone she wants to get revenge on. :D
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She blushed when she said he's her father... If she wanted revenge I don't think he'd have that kind of an affect on her. I'm not sure if you're just kidding though.. o_O
 
Chrono said:
You’re talking to me?

Seriously the series is better now. If they continue this and the last 3-4 episodes are all plot I'll die a happy man. XD



She blushed when she said he's her father... If she wanted revenge I don't think he'd have that kind of an affect on her. I'm not sure if you're just kidding though.. o_O
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No, that part wasn't directed at you. Just people in general.


As for the last bit...end of episode 17:

Mugen: "When you find the Sunflower Samurai, what are you going to do? Get revenge?"
Fuu: "That's right. Revenge for my mother, sort of."

Pretty cut and dry, if you ask me.
 
I don't think so either.
She seems rather conflicted about the whole thing. Like she's not even certain if it's really revenge or if she just wants to find him and be with him. You can tell it from the ending too, and a couple of those dreams she had a little earlier in the series. I don't really get any sense of anger from her. Just pain and uncertainty.
 
so...this week we get a GREAT episode of SC and a Shitty shitty shitty shitty episode of naruto....

Chrono said:
You’re talking to me?

Seriously the series is better now. If they continue this and the last 3-4 episodes are all plot I'll die a happy man. XD
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if it wasnt for all the episodes that didnt involve moving the story forward, this episode wouldnt have been as great as it was.

its like a bunch of foreplay then bam...heres a blowjob.

the core story doesnt even really seem like much of a deep story anyways, which is why they need to do what they do with it.

why?

well, remember this anime isnt really about a central story, but more about the journey of these 3 characters and thier interactions with each other....etc

peace
 
I thought in an earlier episode when Mugen and Jin were pressing her for information about the Sunflower Samurai something was said like, "how do you even know he's still alive," and she resonded with, "he has stay alive until I can kill him." Don't recall which episode, just know it wasn't episode 2, another time they pressed her for info. I could be remembering wrong of course.
 
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