Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Want to bet how fast the bush twins would get an abortion if they got knocked up by 50 cent? 
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Ninja Scooter
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Bush got owned in that little exchange.
Chesapeake Silt
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I want to hear that ugly chick in the American flag shirt as a question. I mean... she wore a fucking american flag shirt to the presidential debate, she should at least be allowed to ask a question.
Ninja Scooter
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damn, Bush getting a little defensive with that old lady :lol
brooklyngooner
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I really can't believe a man who can't speak three words without tripping over the third is president of our country. What a fucking chimp.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Want to bet how fast the bush twins would get an abortion if they got knocked up by 50 cent?
Anyway, this debate was MUCH better than the first one. Harder questions, livelier debates, better exchanges between both candidates.
Anyway, this was definitely a closer debate, and Bush did MUCH better than he did last week. I think Kerry handled most questions better than Bush, and I think Bush's ranting and raving earlier in the debate was rather unbecoming of the President of the United States. But I think, to a degree, your opinion on who won this debate is going to be colored by who you support. With the first debate, even most Bush supporters were able to say that Kerry truly bested him. I don't think that will be the case this time.
Anyway, this was definitely a closer debate, and Bush did MUCH better than he did last week. I think Kerry handled most questions better than Bush, and I think Bush's ranting and raving earlier in the debate was rather unbecoming of the President of the United States. But I think, to a degree, your opinion on who won this debate is going to be colored by who you support. With the first debate, even most Bush supporters were able to say that Kerry truly bested him. I don't think that will be the case this time.
Drinky Crow
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I disagree; the questions in the latter half of the debate were softballs lobbed at Bush and setups for some classic talking points, and Bush even flubbed THOSE.
ROVE AM CRYING
Like I said in a previous thread, the Republican victory depends on how well Rove can contain Bush's potential to spontaneously combust.
ROVE AM CRYING
Like I said in a previous thread, the Republican victory depends on how well Rove can contain Bush's potential to spontaneously combust.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
wtf was I watching, all these people think bush won. Seriously am I retarded or are people that dumb?
Tommie Hu$tle
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MetatronM said:
I agree. I think Bush helped to stop the bleeding but, I don't think it changed the dynamics too much. Kerry didn't lose ground and Bush saved face.
Tommie Hu$tle
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I think Kerry would be in trouble if this was the last debate but, the final debate benefits Kerry.
As a Canadian, I feel the need to interject my opinion on this matter. And on the drugs comment...that was too funny to criticize.
Not on policy...but on Bush's constant simplification of the voting process in the Senate.
When he went after Kerry for voting in a certain way, Kerry usually replied by pointing out how he felt the bill was not complete enough, and did not address the issues he felt were needed to be addressed.
And THEN, Bush would proceed to say "But...you voted against it". There is a DIFFERENCE between voting against a policy and voting against a bill.
"But gentlemen, shouldn't we tack on a pay raise for ourselves?"
That line from the Simpsons (Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington) is an outrageous example, but some of these bills have additions or other parts that people can't vote for, even if the core is their belief.
"Let's simplify democracy; that way, the stupid people won't know when I spouting bullshit"
Not on policy...but on Bush's constant simplification of the voting process in the Senate.
When he went after Kerry for voting in a certain way, Kerry usually replied by pointing out how he felt the bill was not complete enough, and did not address the issues he felt were needed to be addressed.
And THEN, Bush would proceed to say "But...you voted against it". There is a DIFFERENCE between voting against a policy and voting against a bill.
"But gentlemen, shouldn't we tack on a pay raise for ourselves?"
That line from the Simpsons (Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington) is an outrageous example, but some of these bills have additions or other parts that people can't vote for, even if the core is their belief.
"Let's simplify democracy; that way, the stupid people won't know when I spouting bullshit"
Tommie Hu$tle
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Keio said:
Preaching to the converted is what keeps him up and winning. I mean if I wanted to I could nitpick everything the guy said but, I want to try and keep an open mind. Kerry did start to give some substance to his plans which I found to be the best part of his speeches. I don't know if people caught on to that.
Tommie Hu$tle
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I'm sorry I could never vote for someone that uses the word "internets" like it is some mythical beast.
The other thing I found funny was the fact that Canadian medcine will kill Americans.
The other thing I found funny was the fact that Canadian medcine will kill Americans.
heavy liquid
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Tommie Hu$tle said:
:lol Yeah as if Canadians don't hate us (our gov't) enough!
He was talking about Canadian drugs as if they were a bad dealer that mixes all the potent deadly stuff in their weed :lol It figures too. Bush probably figures that just because Canada is for medical mary jane, EVERYTHING they have could be dangerous!
Bush said "Internets" and "hating" tonight. Reaching out to rednecks that don't know a damn thing about computers AND hip hop fans across the nation. Remarkable. :lol
JoshuaJSlone
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So the second presidential debate, immediate impressions. Obviously Bush saw how his facial expressions had hurt him before, so this time he kept a pretty straight face. Well, there was the time he kept loudly interrupting Charlie Gibson so he could start on his extra 30 seconds... Also stumbled a lot less. In fact, the biggest single stumble was probably from Senator Kerry in a question about abortion. Still, it seemed like Bush was on the defensive end for the great majority of the time, while Kerry was providing decent explanations for how his positions weren't flip-flops or wishy-washy. I'm not sure who you could say "connected with the audience" more, though Bush made more jokes that had them chuckling. On the C-SPAN technical side, the split-screen was much more troublesome this time around. With the movement of the candidates, often one person would be visible from multiple angles, block the view of the opponent, and then it would switch to a wider angle shot.
Drinky Crow
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Bush was obviously smokin' summa dat crazy Canuckian med'cin tonight.
BEE CEE'S FINEST, DAMN STRAIGHT
BEE CEE'S FINEST, DAMN STRAIGHT
Tommie Hu$tle
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2nd worlds no longer exist. The 2nd world refers to the communist bloc.
I still can't get over the wood part.
On a purely textual level it reminds me of John Carpenter's Vampires and Jack Crow: "While I was beatin' ya, padre, did you "get some wood?" Some mahogany, some teak?"
Bush was just so lost there, he couldn't match the impeccable James Woods delivery
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to checking out FactCheck when they get their research done. But obviously so many arguments aren't exactly missed facts - "he's gonna raise taxes, even though he himself denies it" - just bad debating.
On a purely textual level it reminds me of John Carpenter's Vampires and Jack Crow: "While I was beatin' ya, padre, did you "get some wood?" Some mahogany, some teak?"
Bush was just so lost there, he couldn't match the impeccable James Woods delivery
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to checking out FactCheck when they get their research done. But obviously so many arguments aren't exactly missed facts - "he's gonna raise taxes, even though he himself denies it" - just bad debating.
I thought Kerry won. But I'm a liberal. I also thought Bush did a much much better job this debate.
As a wannabe journalist, does everyone want to here what the soundbite is going to be for tommorow's newscast.
LOOKING IN THE CAMERA KERRY SAID I WILL NOT RAISE TAXES ON THOSE BELOW THIS RICH TAX BRACKET
That's extremly important because it breaks new ground, the rest of the debate was restating long held positions. Look as a newsman, you look for those short, confrontational sound bites with new information. That was it. I knew immediatly last debate when Kerry made his one screw up, the "global test" remark, and this was a big mistake as well. Here's why.
1. If elected in four years it could come back to haunt him like George H W Bush.
2. It posititions Kerry as someone who bows to public pressure. Why had he not been making this promise before? All of the sudden he makes this promise on the spot to bow to political pressure.
3. Republican's can point to budget oversights in Kerry's plan and Kerry's senate record to try to attack this claim.
On the bright side, not raising taxes on the middle class is extremly popular, so all the attention won't be so bad IMO.
As a wannabe journalist, does everyone want to here what the soundbite is going to be for tommorow's newscast.
LOOKING IN THE CAMERA KERRY SAID I WILL NOT RAISE TAXES ON THOSE BELOW THIS RICH TAX BRACKET
That's extremly important because it breaks new ground, the rest of the debate was restating long held positions. Look as a newsman, you look for those short, confrontational sound bites with new information. That was it. I knew immediatly last debate when Kerry made his one screw up, the "global test" remark, and this was a big mistake as well. Here's why.
1. If elected in four years it could come back to haunt him like George H W Bush.
2. It posititions Kerry as someone who bows to public pressure. Why had he not been making this promise before? All of the sudden he makes this promise on the spot to bow to political pressure.
3. Republican's can point to budget oversights in Kerry's plan and Kerry's senate record to try to attack this claim.
On the bright side, not raising taxes on the middle class is extremly popular, so all the attention won't be so bad IMO.
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