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[Spectral Glider]

The gap is not so big in the GAF pickem league anymore.

On top baby! Didn't expect the gap to close though. Tied for 1st in the straight up pickem. Pending tonight that is. I never tend to hold these leads though.

 

[jmdajr]

As much as I want him and our running game to be good, I'm still not entirely convinced. I'd still pick him up though, we're typically capable of steam rolling over horrendous defenses and we play Cleveland and Detroit over the next two weeks.

I hope benching Sweed has the same effect it did on Mendenhall, our receiving core would be ridiculous if he would start to actually catch balls. Actually, between Ward, Holmes, Miller, and now Wallace, I'm inclined to say that we have one of receiving cores in the business. As much as I want our running game to improve, I think we should adopt a Colts like offense, we've got the personnel to do it and it's a better identity than forcing some old traditional mantra to appear "tough".

Those are some crap teams he's coming up against, but I don't know, so far I don't see consistent numbers. I might get more points but in the long run, moreno might be better.

edit: fuck it I picked him up.

 

[captive]

Yes, because no other teams were juiced back then. Here's a hint, roiding started in the 60s.

everyones doin' it, it must be ok!

god you steeler fans are easy to goad.

 

[Tom Penny]

I have no qualms with you NE-ers, but given the Pats coaching, O-line, etc., Cassel could have been very successful if he were the QB. They got gyped out of the Playoffs last year, imo, anyway. Brady has had luxury since Day 1, so I'd love to see him perform well if any of the silver spoons were taken away. On a funny note, people from U-M talked insane amounts of shit about him and hated him, but when he became Superboy-wonder, funny how that story is different.

Thanks god Brady had Dione Branch, Troy Brown, David Givens, David Patten, Jermaine Wiggins, Daniel Graham and Antoine Smith to carry the offense for him in the 3 SB wins. They pretty much handed him those wins...

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Sweed will always blow, I'm calling it. At least Mendenhall has had okay games in the past before last nights, Sweed on the other hand has put us in danger far too many times because of his fuck-ups.

 

[bionic77]

Thanks god Brady had Dione Branch, Troy Brown, David Givens, David Patten, Jermaine Wiggins, Daniel Graham and Antoine Smith to carry the offense for him in the 3 SB wins. They pretty much handed him those wins...

You are leaving out some really important contributors to that first New England Superbowl. They had a lot of help from the refs and Raiders in that one playoff game and then the Steelers and Rams were feeling overly generous later on and their contributions to those wins need to be recognized.

I still don't know how the Pats won in 2001.

 

[Spectral Glider]

everyones doin' it, it must be ok!

god you steeler fans are easy to goad.

Pretending only the teams you don't like were/are doing it is only lying to yourself.

Face the hard reality that these guys have all been on some kind of juice for 40 years or more and probably a good percentage still are despite what the league says is hard testing. Guess it's just harder for fans of teams who still can't win even with the juice to accept.

 

[Dresden]

You are leaving out some really important contributors to that first New England Superbowl. They had a lot of help from the refs and Raiders in that one playoff game and then the Steelers and Rams were feeling overly generous later on and their contributions to those wins need to be recognized.

I still don't know how the Pats won in 2001.

Where's a bitter Seahawks fan when you need him?

 

[Spectral Glider]

I still don't know how the Pats won in 2001.

 

[levious]

I still don't know how the Pats won in 2001.

the super bowl itself? Didn't they pretty much emulate the Bucs' scheme against the rams from what was it, the 99 playoffs? Bucs would have probably won that previous matchup if they didn't have to rely on Shaun King...

 

[Wellington]

Where's a bitter Seahawks fan when you need him?

They all disappeared after last season.

 

[levious]

I thought Hito was a seattle fan?

 

[Tamanon]

Hito shows up occasionally, Seattle's lucky that Carolina has completely sucked this year or he might've switched by now I'm thinking. Then there's that USC/Seattle fan who only shows up in College threads and if Seattle wins.

 

[captive]

Pretending only the teams you don't like were/are doing it is only lying to yourself.

I dont pretend. I really dont care.

However, Harson said Brady had won zero rings without cheating. If thats the case then the steelers get theirs thrown out for cheating too.

 

[bionic77]

the super bowl itself? Didn't they pretty much emulate the Bucs' scheme against the rams from what was it, the 99 playoffs? Bucs would have probably won that previous matchup if they didn't have to rely on Shaun King...

Pretty much the entire playoffs including the Superbowl. I can't blame the refs for the Steelers loss, but it was such a bizarre game where the Pats scored early twice on special teams. We shut down Brady for most of the game and just when we were getting close were knock Brady out of the game and miracle of miracles Drew fucking Bledsoe comes in for the last part of the game and puts the final nail in the coffin. We play that game 100 times and the Steelers win that game 97 times out of 100 on their home field. When you need Drew Bledsoe coming in to save your ass you know things are going your way.

It was just very weird, from the tuck rule to getting so many breaks (and taking advantage of them) against vastly superior teams.

Hard to thing of another team like that actually going all the way. Other teams have also pulled off some shit in the playoffs, but I can't think of anyone else pulling it off.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

As much as I want him and our running game to be good, I'm still not entirely convinced. I'd still pick him up though, we're typically capable of steam rolling over horrendous defenses and we play Cleveland and Detroit over the next two weeks.

I hope benching Sweed has the same effect it did on Mendenhall, our receiving core would be ridiculous if he would start to actually catch balls. Actually, between Ward, Holmes, Miller, and now Wallace, I'm inclined to say that we have one of receiving cores in the business. As much as I want our running game to improve, I think we should adopt a Colts like offense, we've got the personnel to do it and it's a better identity than forcing some old traditional mantra to appear "tough".

Uh, I don't know about that. Ben had a breakout game yesterday in part because the O-line was holding up well and they were also blocking well, opening up great runs to keep clock ticking. I think Ben is easily the number 3 QB in the league right now (and arguably number 2) but in no way do I think we should abandon the run and leave games solely on Ben's arm, especially late. There are only so many 4th quarter game winning drives any QB has in him.

 

[Spectral Glider]

However, Harson said Brady had won zero rings without cheating. If thats the case then the steelers get theirs thrown out for cheating too.

And you say Steeler fans are easy to goad. :lol

 

[levious]

Hard to thing of another team like that actually going all the way. Other teams have also pulled off some shit in the playoffs, but I can't think of anyone else pulling it off.

well it was an odd year for the AFC, 11-5 usually doesn't earn a first round bye... there was also the Raiders team in 80 that won it, but I can't speak from experience whether they were much better than their wild card record

 

[ATF487]

I have no qualms with you NE-ers, but given the Pats coaching, O-line, etc., Cassel could have been very successful if he were the QB. They got gyped out of the Playoffs last year, imo, anyway. Brady has had luxury since Day 1, so I'd love to see him perform well if any of the silver spoons were taken away. On a funny note, people from U-M talked insane amounts of shit about him and hated him, but when he became Superboy-wonder, funny how that story is different.

I was mildly irritated that San Diego won the AFC West with an 8 and 8 record, but thems the breaks.

As for the Brady conversation, you gotta go back to 2000/2001. The year before we went to the Super Bowl, we went 5-11, and each subsequent year under Pete Carrol we had got worse by a game, after getting ruined in that Super Bowl against Favre and co. The year after Belichick came, we had made a few great adjustments, mostly in the WR core, but it wasn't an amazing team surrounded by talent, like we have now. Brady pretty much turned that season around, and those big name players came with the success that we built up with that first Super Bowl win. I'd argue he's had luxury since 03 or 04, but sometimes people forget that the Patriots were a pretty forgettable franchise until this decade.

Also, I usually concede that Peyton is the better player when you look at statistics and raw ability, but I'd rather have Brady on my team any day. He's ridiculously clutch

 

[Tamanon]

And you say Steeler fans are easy to goad. :lol

Like it or not, Harson's still a Steeler fan!

 

[captive]

And you say Steeler fans are easy to goad. :lol

yea you guys are. All someone has to do is drop any sort of minor slight againts big ben and you guys go into attack mode. As evidenced by last page where it had to be qualified what kinds of quarterbacks we're going to talk about, ones with multiple superbowls without cheating, ones who have actually won superbowl mvp etc etc.

What do i care I'm not a fan of either team. Steelers fans are far more annoying than patriots fans at this point though.

 

[levious]

ones with multiple superbowls without cheating, ones who have actually won superbowl mvp etc etc.

actually both of those comments were really just slights against Favre...

 

[Spectral Glider]

Pretty much the entire playoffs including the Superbowl. I can't blame the refs for the Steelers loss, but it was such a bizarre game where the Pats scored early twice on special teams. We shut down Brady for most of the game and just when we were getting close were knock Brady out of the game and miracle of miracles Drew fucking Bledsoe comes in for the last part of the game and puts the final nail in the coffin. We play that game 100 times and the Steelers win that game 97 times out of 100 on their home field. When you need Drew Bledsoe coming in to save your ass you know things are going your way.

Kordell Stewart.....and having shitty special teams was something that pretty much plagued Cowher his whole career. Those are your reasons. And we can't forget Cowher's championship game choke rep. Until Ben came along that is. And now Andy Reid, bless his heart, holds that crown now.

As for the Pats SB against the Rams, I blame Mike Martz.

 

[Spectral Glider]

yea you guys are. All someone has to do is drop any sort of minor slight againts big ben and you guys go into attack mode. As evidenced by last page where it had to be qualified what kinds of quarterbacks we're going to talk about, ones with multiple superbowls without cheating, ones who have actually won superbowl mvp etc etc.

Yeah, we were outraged! Outraged! That whole back and forth was just riveting in it's intensity I tell ya.

This place would be boring as fuck without Bionic. Well, there would still be FMT.

 

[Tom Penny]

Hard to thing of another team like that actually going all the way. Other teams have also pulled off some shit in the playoffs, but I can't think of anyone else pulling it off.

I've seen stranger things happen like a team winning the SB despite a pathetic performance by their QB posting a 22.6 QB rating...

 

[Spectral Glider]

Like it or not, Harson's still a Steeler fan!

Every group has that one that they let tag along out of pity. Just joshing Harson ol buddy!

 

[RBH]

So I was just choosing my pick for the Survival Pool this week, and looking through the list of teams, it made me realize just how much parity exists in the NFL this year.

I honestly can't remember a time when there were so many below average teams and so few "elite" teams during a particular NFL season as there are this year.

Anyone else feel the same way?

 

[Tamanon]

I think there's not as much parity as this coming week's games suggest, there's just some really bad games coming up. I just realized that with my week 5 Survival pick, it's my third time just picking against Kansas City.:lol

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

So I was just choosing my pick for the Survival Pool this week, and looking through the list of teams, it made me realize just how much parity exists in the NFL this year.

I honestly can't remember a time when there were so many below average teams and so few "elite" teams during a particular NFL season as there are this year.

Anyone else feel the same way?

Sort of. I feel that the teams that are or were projected to be "elite" clearly aren't.

That said, both my picks for the "shit the bed" category this year are at 0-8 combined.

 

[Cheeto]

So I was just choosing my pick for the Survival Pool this week, and looking through the list of teams, it made me realize just how much parity exists in the NFL this year.

I honestly can't remember a time when there were so many below average teams and so few "elite" teams during a particular NFL season as there are this year.

Anyone else feel the same way?

I was just thinking about how many crap teams there are.

 

[bionic77]

well it was an odd year for the AFC, 11-5 usually doesn't earn a first round bye... there was also the Raiders team in 80 that won it, but I can't speak from experience whether they were much better than their wild card record

Yeah I don't remember the 80 Raiders either. The 2001 Pats SB was definitely the wackiest post season run I have seen yet. The Giants run was a little unexpected as well, but it wasn't as shocking as the Pats win. They seemed to be double digit underdogs in almost every game they played in that postseason, but to their credit the team stepped up whenever they needed it, whether it be offense, defense, special teams or head official, they got it done. I gotta give Satan props for that one, sometimes even when evil wins you can still sit back and appreciate how they could accomplish so much with so little.

Thinking back to that year the game has changed so much in just the last 8 years. Back in 2001 cornerbacks were allowed to be so much more physical and could actually fight for the ball (same with receivers). The new rules definitely make it easier on the eyes, but you gotta feel some pity for defenses.

 

[Spectral Glider]

I think there's not as much parity as this coming week's games suggest, there's just some really bad games coming up. I just realized that with my week 5 Survival pick, it's my third time just picking against Kansas City.:lol

This is true....I don't pick who I have confidence in winning as much as I pick who I'm confident will lose.

 

[Dresden]

I was just thinking about how many crap teams there are.

Well, the Rams and the Chiefs have got be to better soon... they're improving, aren't they? The Chiefs are definitely improving, all the points against the Giants were total jokes but they were points still, at least it wasn't a complete shutout like the Rams, that's definitely true.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Somebody said recently the Raiders are the worst team this year, but how can anyone honestly say that with the Rams sitting around? I contend they were the worst team in the league last year too, 0-16 be damned.

 

[bionic77]

Somebody said recently the Raiders are the worst team this year, but how can anyone honestly say that with the Rams sitting around? I contend they were the worst team in the league last year too, 0-16 be damned.

Have the Rams or Chiefs been in any game after the first quarter? It is hard to imagine either of them winning a game.

At least the Browns were competitive this last week.

 

[Tamanon]

Have the Rams or Chiefs been in any game after the first quarter? It is hard to imagine either of them winning a game.

At least the Browns were competitive this last week.

Rams led at the half 7-6 over the Redskins!

But that's only because somebody had to be ahead.

 

[bionic77]

Rams led at the half 7-6 over the Redskins!

But that's only because somebody had to be ahead.

Oh yeah I forgot about the Redskins game.

It must really suck being a Redskins fan. At least the Rams and Chiefs fans knew they were going to suck. I think, yet again, Snyder conned the fanbase into thinking they would be a good team this year.

 

[Dresden]

Have the Rams or Chiefs been in any game after the first quarter? It is hard to imagine either of them winning a game.

At least the Browns were competitive this last week.

The Chiefs almost beat the Raiders, and they weren't completely awful against the Ravens.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Have the Rams or Chiefs been in any game after the first quarter? It is hard to imagine either of them winning a game.

At least the Browns were competitive this last week.

Of what I bothered watching of Giants/Chiefs, Cassell had a spark of life during garbage time, so that's something I guess.

 

[Tom Penny]

Well, the Rams and the Chiefs have got be to better soon... they're improving, aren't they? The Chiefs are definitely improving, all the points against the Giants were total jokes but they were points still, at least it wasn't a complete shutout like the Rams, that's definitely true.

Negative.

 

[Cheeto]

Oh yeah I forgot about the Redskins game.

It must really suck being a Redskins fan. At least the Rams and Chiefs fans knew they were going to suck. I think, yet again, Snyder conned the fanbase into thinking they would be a good team this year.

Is LiveWire on suicide watch?

 

[Dresden]

Is LiveWire on suicide watch?

He had to slap on that fancy new avatar, and hasn't shown up since.

 

[Tamanon]

So, how many yards will Adrian Peterson have to rush for in tonight's game to make it into the headline? I'm thinking 500.

 

[Cheeto]

He had to slap on that fancy new avatar, and hasn't shown up since.

Nah, I've seen him since...just not since the TB game

So, how many yards will Adrian Peterson have to rush for in tonight's game to make it into the headline? I'm thinking 500.

I'm thinking about 100-200 Brett Favre's

 

[RBH]

Braylon Edwards involved in alleged fight
By Tom Withers
3:36 p.m. Monday, October 5, 2009

BEREA, Ohio — LeBron James called Browns receiver Braylon Edwards "childish" for allegedly punching James' friend early Monday morning outside of a Cleveland night club.

James said Edwards punched Edward Givens, a friend of James' and a promoter with a Cleveland marketing firm who was working outside the club around 2:30 a.m. EDT.

"I've never crossed paths with Braylon before, but it seems like there's a little jealousy going on with Braylon and me and my friends. I have no idea why," James said. "I've never said anything to Braylon at all. But for him to do that is very childish. My friend is 130 pounds. Seriously. It's like hitting one of my kids. It doesn't make sense."

James says he was home when the fight occurred, but got a call from Givens telling him about it at 7 a.m. Monday.

Browns coach Eric Mangini said he has spoken with Braylon Edwards about the alleged fight.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that a 28-year-old man accused Edwards of punching him in the face following an argument. The man said Edwards hit him with a closed fist. He said he suffered a black eye and cut and was treated at a hospital.

Mangini said he was aware of the incident. He added his players' personal conduct is important and that he was still gathering information on the incident.

Edwards did not catch a pass in Sunday's 23-20 overtime loss to Cincinnati. It was the first time in 62 career games Edwards did not have at least one reception.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/browns-edwards-involved-in-155097.html#story-continued

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[captive]

So, how many yards will Adrian Peterson have to rush for in tonight's game to make it into the headline? I'm thinking 500.

I'm thinking he would have to break his own record of 296 rushing yards in a game. Better make it with 5 TD's too.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

So, how many yards will Adrian Peterson have to rush for in tonight's game to make it into the headline? I'm thinking 500.

He could run for a million miles and 40 touchdowns and all the headlines would talk about is how great a game manager Favre was.

 

[Dresden]

I'm thinking he would have to break his own record of 296 rushing yards in a game. Better make it with 5 TD's too.

If he breaks 300 rushing yards in the game, it'll be because of Brett Favre.

 

[Tamanon]

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And now Braylon Edwards will be blamed for LeChoke joining the Knicks!

 

[AstroLad]

If he breaks 300 rushing yards in the game, it'll be because of Brett Favre.

Sooo much hate. I really can't wait to see him continue to tear it up, especially on the people who doubted him so hard. I just know so many haters literally died in their seats when he made that throw to beat the Niners, and right away proceeded to blog about how it was pure "luck."