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Olympics 2024: Summer Games in Paris Official Thread
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calistan
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I mentioned earlier, before this turned into the Algerian boxer thread, that one of the BBC commentators thought Jeanjean's second run would get a 97 and the other said a high 95.
The scoring in that event is kind of random though. If the expert analysts can't predict it then the average viewer has no chance. Just pluck a number out of the air.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Not sure if serious or not because looks nothing like Ronaldo plus it was actually from the boxers InstaThat's Ronaldo .... Notice the logo on his t-shirt? It's the emblem of Real Madrid. Fly Emirates is Real Madrid's second biggest sponsor after Adidas...
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Not sure if serious or not because looks nothing like Ronaldo plus it was actually from the boxers Insta
You're right, the photo is from Imane Khelif's Instagram page. It was the combination of the Real Madrid shirt and the facial expression that made me think immediately of Ronaldo.
Just goes to show how masculine she looks.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
That boxer had been barred from previous women's events because they failed a gender test
I don't care remotely about how they look, I care that someone that can't pass a test as being a female and is barred from world competition being allowed to beat on actual women
Sexist asshole, fuck off
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its not hard at all, they were banned from competing in which this boxer initially appealed and then withdrew their appeal making the decision binding
They did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors.
Again, fuck off with the sexist asshole comment
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Errors never happened in sports before amirite? Your life must really suck to hate on a woman who had a terrible life and managed to turn her disability into an advantage huh? You are a sexist asshole. Enjoy your miserable life I guess.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Yep two different errors I guess
The disqualification was based on two tests conducted on both athletes as follows:
- Test performed during the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in Istanbul 2022.
- Test performed during the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in New Delhi 2023.
My life is far from miserable, trust me and I actually love my life
Sorry if you get a kick watching men beat on a woman
No need to reply for reasons
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The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Her disability is whats causing her to fail those god damn tests you bird brain. She is a woman. A freak of nature if that satisfies your sexist brain. Freaks of natures have always competed in sports. Deal with it.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
You lot actually think ALGERIA is woke? That a conservative Muslim country like ALGERIA, where it's illegal to be trans, would ever THINK of letting a trans person represent them at the Olympics?
Ms. Khelif is a woman. She's developed to look and be the way she is due to a medical condition...
This is her as a kid:
Ms. Khelif is a woman. She's developed to look and be the way she is due to a medical condition...
This is her as a kid:
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The Cockatrice
Gold Member
You lot actually think ALGERIA is woke? That a conservative Muslim country like ALGERIA, where it's illegal to be trans, would ever THINK of letting a trans person represent them at the Olympics?
Ms. Khelif is a woman. She's developed to look and be the way she is due to a medical condition...
This is her as a kid:
Michael Phelps also has a condition that makes his body have a huge advantage over his opponents yet no one complained about it. Caster Semenya also has a condition similar to Imane. There will always be people with such conditions just as there will always be ignorants. Seems like in recent times the issues with trans have made certain people blind to genuine people and they're just hating literally everyone different, not just assholes.
Gp1
Member
Good that you entered in there.
"2018 testosterone rule change
In a report explaining its decision, the IAAF wrote that there was a "broad medical and scientific consensus" that athletes with high testosterone can "significantly enhance their sporting potential" due to greater muscle mass, strength, and haemoglobin levels. The report added that "there is no other genetic or biological trait encountered in female athletics that confers such a huge performance advantage."[97]
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
True. I've noticed this everywhere online. So many people don't stop to think about things in a logical manner. They're all acting like she's from the West where things are a bit more tolerant/accepting... But Algeria isn't the West.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Gp1
Member
"The Swiss supreme court ultimately dismissed Semenya's appeal in September 2020. In its decision, the court affirmed that the CAS had the right to uphold World Athletics' rules "in order to guarantee fair competition for certain running disciplines in female athletics."[114] The court also declared that because Semenya was "free to refuse treatment to lower testosterone levels," her "guarantee of human dignity" was not violated.[115]"
Imho the Swiss supreme court decision is on point. If she wants to compete on World Athletics sanctioned races she must adhere to World Athletics rules and her dignity was not violated because she's free to refuse treatment to lower testosterone levels.
The problem was that Caster wanted to compete in World Athletics sanctioned races with her higher testosterone levels.
Her case is less offensive than the boxer's simply because of the nature of both sports.
Some sports already limits the levels of testosterone allowed in women’s competition, while others outright ban everyone who has been through male puberty.
The problem was that IOC took the Olympic boxing of International Boxing Association (A Russian based organization, Gazprom sponsored, with a Russian president with ties with Vlad.) when the issue arrived at IBA's lap.
It's both a medical, a merit's and a political issue but imho, being a full contact fighting sport, makes it way more urgent than Athletics.
Edit. Don't forget what Vitor Belfort caused at the UFC when his testosterone levels where off the charts (for a man of his age). And Vitor was barred from competing with testosterone reposition.
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The Cockatrice
Gold Member
I cant find any decisive info on Imanes testosterone levels so its hard to tell how bad it is, but the facts are she has lost matches against other women, and there were other women in boxing with high levels of testosterone that were not banned in said sport. I understand the point that it may not seem fair but again, the case of fairness in sports, boxing included, have always been shoddy at best, males included. Still, I appreciate at least a calculated response compared to some other people here making fun of Imanes body and disability and calling her a man or trans. I will at least agree its a gray area, but my stance remains on her side and I'll just leave it at that. She found a way to deal with her shitty life and now people are just making fun of her. Fucking hell.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Italy is getting woker by the day, hopefully this stuff is gonna make someone stop and think for once.
Edit: although this seems to be a bizzarre case.
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SirKicksalot
Member
Djokovic nuclear meltdown against Musetti lmao
I'm going to miss him so much.
I'm going to miss him so much.
Zathalus
Member
So what? She is not some ubermensch that no other woman can defeat, she has lost to other woman before, quite a few of them in fact. She didn’t even make it to the semifinals in the 2020 Olympics.
Should boxing have a new rule now that you can’t compete against someone because they look scary?
Lol that would be an awesome qualifier.
Nydius
Member
Enjoyed the BMX racing semifinal and finals. Happy for the three French men’s racers who swept the podium. But in the women’s races, Great Britain’s Bethany Shriever had quite a disappointing meltdown. She dominated every single heat in the quarter finals and semi finals then came in dead last in the finals.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I'm sad gymnastics is done. But happy for T&F
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
This is kinda cute.
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Olympic Medalist Proposes to Teammate On Live TV
Chinese badminton player Huang Yaqiong got more than just a gold medal at the Olympics -- she also received an engagement ring after her teammate proposed on live TV!
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Gp1
Member
No, it should have rules against competing with an opponent with testosterone levels above the normal for its gender.
Again, look at Vitor Belfort pre-during-post testosterone.
Anyway....
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Musashipan
Member
Why taekwondo? Such a boring and useless style. Muay Thai and Sanda/Sanshou are far superior,even karate is better.
I don't think it's even been confirmed anywhere what her "condition" is. As always in these kinds of debates, feelings before facts.
calistan
Member
Michael Johnson on the BBC said Fisher probably thought the silver medal was safe and didn't see the other guy coming up fast on the outside.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Even so... Being from and representing Algeria... She wouldn't be allowed if she was trans or even just gay! It's illegal there!
Lambogenie
Member
As others say, it's conservative Algeria ain't no way they'd lie down if a trans were repping them. She is just a hench as fuck woman. It happens.
To me its Same as Williams sisters and that runner. Hench women, above average.
Cry all you want but the tournament criteria were met. Make new divisions in future. And cry some more.
To me its Same as Williams sisters and that runner. Hench women, above average.
Cry all you want but the tournament criteria were met. Make new divisions in future. And cry some more.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Yea it seems algerians are quite offended by accusations that she is a man/trans because that is a sin and highly illegal in their culture. Just like we would take great offense to accusations that we knowingly sent one of our athletes that is a known pedophile, insinuating that we would allow it
They are also taking offense from what they see as a flagrant double standard in Western media; on one hand giving someone that looks like Serena Williams universal praise as a generational talent, greatest of all time etc and then suddenly when an algerian/arab woman w/ masc traits starts winning everyone starts losing their shit and making unspeakable accusations
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
looks like he slaps the winner on the ground and then pushes him. Clip needs about 3 seconds at the beginning.
Gp1
Member
I hate to say this but... heavyweight Judo is boring as fuck. At least in the gold medal match Teddy did one hell of a throw but every other match is basically 2 giants trying to grapple the Gi, a bunch of shidos, and some more simple arts.
Anyway the genius got a DQ after the match ended with a ippon. The Georgian probably didn't agree with the referees and "kicked" Teddy in the groin in the ne waza.
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Argentina being Argentina
AfricanKing
Member
I may be late to the party but yep, I'm gonna go with J. K. Rowling here
PS: I don't even think that misogynie is the problem here.
So you’ve looked at all the information and came to the conclusion she’s a biological male?
Peggies
Gold Member
Jep. I believe he should beat up people with the same chromosomes he has.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
So do you think XX men should compete in the women's division?
XX male syndrome - Wikipedia
Peggies
Gold Member
Oh my God, now I see everything in a totaly different way because you came up with some syndrome that 1:20,000 people are born with.So do you think XX men should compete in the women's division?
XX male syndrome - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Morning folks,
Obviously the controversy around Imane Khelif will run until they either win or are knocked out. I do think it's important for the discussion to be aired so if people ever do read back through archives, there is a fair reflection of the issues or controversies at the time. This requires everyone to engage maturely and distinguish the line between light, playful and sarcastic responses and more inflammatory, personal attacks. As they say, let's keep it above the belt.
Obviously the controversy around Imane Khelif will run until they either win or are knocked out. I do think it's important for the discussion to be aired so if people ever do read back through archives, there is a fair reflection of the issues or controversies at the time. This requires everyone to engage maturely and distinguish the line between light, playful and sarcastic responses and more inflammatory, personal attacks. As they say, let's keep it above the belt.
Lambogenie
Member
I may be late to the party but yep, I'm gonna go with J. K. Rowling here
PS: I don't even think that misogynie is the problem here.
You know, she often makes points I'd agree with. But not this one. It's cool, opinions and all that.
AfricanKing
Member
What source told you she has XY chromosome?
darrylgorn
Member
I don't know why any of this is controversial or even difficult to address. Just go with whatever sex the person was assigned at birth. No need to do any chromosome tests or shamefully inspecting athletes, the information is already available.
You'll get outliers, but they'll be so rare, it's not even worth caring about.
You'll get outliers, but they'll be so rare, it's not even worth caring about.
Zathalus
Member
The only source is IBA president Umar Kremlev. The same IBA that has been stripped of its rights by the IOC for failing to comply with ethical standards after some pretty severe corruption scandals. When pressed for the test results they changed their tune from chromosome testing to failing to meet testosterone levels. Now the story has changed to some undisclosed third party test they had performed and they don’t want to release the details.
Real compelling evidence there.