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Olympics 2024: Summer Games in Paris Official Thread
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AJUMP23
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Even the runner that knows her was surprised.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
How would an article "prove" someone is a biological male? You've stated before that this fighter is a female, yet you've backed it up with no evidence yourself. And your feelings on the site(misguided at that) have no bearing on the legitimacy of the info contained within it. The European Vice President of the World Boxing Organization stated that they're male. Maybe they're lying but I have no evidence to suggest that. What would qualify as irrefutable evidence in an article? Ultimately you're going to have to believe one source or another at some point if you're reading reporting on it, since, you know, we don't have access to their DNA tests ourselves.
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T8SC
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Don't they have stylists? That cut doesn't suit him. He needs a longer I style haircutThis guy on gold zone can hear the Olympics from anywhere in the world.
Lol that is something straight out of looney toons. Imagine working 4 years for that to happen?
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It's the SRY gene (typically on the Y chromosome) that triggers sexual differentiation. If you lack that gene, you will not grow up as biologically male even if you are "genetically male". Equally, if you have XX chromosomes and one of them has the SRY gene, you will grow up as biologically male, even though you are "genetically female".
I recently learned about this in my class on genetics.
Meet Cosmo, a Bull Calf Designed to Produce 75% Male Offspring
Scientists at the University of California, Davis, have successfully produced a bull calf, named Cosmo, who was genome-edited as an embryo so that he’ll produce more male offspring. The research was presented in a poster today (July 23) at the American Society of Animal Science meeting.
www.ucdavis.edu
BTW I understand that this is not about genetically engineering but helps to explain the SRY gene.I recently learned about this in my class on genetics.
Meet Cosmo, a Bull Calf Designed to Produce 75% Male Offspring
Scientists at the University of California, Davis, have successfully produced a bull calf, named Cosmo, who was genome-edited as an embryo so that he’ll produce more male offspring. The research was presented in a poster today (July 23) at the American Society of Animal Science meeting.
darth.shrimp
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West Texas CEO
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USA Basketball moves on to the quarter pounders. Yay!
Heimdall_Xtreme
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
To convert this into less confusing language this just means if you lack the SRY gene you will present as female in terms of various aspects of your anatomy, but your DNA will still reflect you are male.
If being a male just means having XY chromosones, then that is trivially true. If it means having certain characteristics, that may or not be true.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
That’s what it means. Anything else is gender. It’s why for example when say human bones are found in the woods and they extract DNA from them to try to find out information about who the person was and they reveal the sex, they don’t say ”We can’t really tell the sex of the person just by DNA alone…“ They just reveal if it’s male or female unequivocally.
If this wasn’t true then sex could literally just mean anything anybody wanted it to.
Nydius
Member
I've been watching soccer for more than 30 years and i sincerely never saw something so flagrant of a referee trying to extend a game in favor of the home team.
Sixteen minutes of stoppage time?! Did someone die on the pitch or something? Christ, that’s ludicrous.
And Brazil still won.
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Bloobs
Al Pachinko, Konami President
The Cockatrice
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
You have claimed the fighter is a woman. Can you link me to where you got the information that proves this as fact?
You cleary have no clue so I'll just leave you live in your own bubble guy.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Well, theoretically it should be possible to pickup the absence or presence of the SRY gene, so if they found a skeleton they could identify whether that person had DSD. So in some sense the DNA would still give a picture of the person's "sex", however you want to describe that.
However, my point as it relates to the discussion is simply that if being male simply means "having XY chromosomes" then a statement like "X person has XY chromosomes therefore they are male" really means "X person has XY chromosomes therefore they have XY chromosomes". So there is no additional informational value there. A claim that someone who has XY chromosomes can be "female" in some relevant way, isn't disproved by pointing out that people who have XY chromosomes have XY chromosomes. The most that can be claimed is that they are framing their argument with the wrong language.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
brother please take your inconsequential bickering elsewhere. When you try to frame this ordeal as some clear cut topic when it's actually a super complicated clusterfuck that none of us here have any authority to discuss, you're doing everyone a disservice
Fake
Member
Well, you both could stop speaking for everyone. And I don't think he is doing a disservice and I'll completly honest about you being very evasive in this matter.
I think the fight was not OK and the discussion here have some valid points, unless someone here start to make insults to each other.
We are not kids I assume? In any case, if you don't like what people are discussing here just use the 'ignore' button.
The subject will sure be a main discussion after the olympics are over I can assure you. No way to run from this discussion no matter what.
Gp1
Member
Stoppage should add time when the ball stops on the 45 minutes.
It was 16 + 3 without a single big incident on the second-half. After 16min mark the ball crossed midfield like 4 or 5 times. A 5min extra time would be more than enough.
And every single commentator in my transmission said "she won't stop the game after those 16". We deal with CONMEBOL on a weekly basis so we know what's like to play with the referees against us.
And in these "16 minutes" a French player punched a Brazilian one and got away with only a yellow card.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I think you have me confused with someone else because I’ve maintained that we don’t know if the reporting on the fighter is true and I’m only sharing what is being reported. I have not once tried to make this person’s identity clear cut. I did state biological sex is definitive, which it is. What this specific fighter actually is, is still not 100% confirmed one way or the other. But given it’s a hot topic whenever there are news updates I future they’re worth sharing.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I understand your point and I do agree with some of the overall logic and your premise when it comes to the semantics of it all, but here's why I do think it is important that a concrete definition of biological sex is established.
The whole reason this fight became a story is because it was reported that a man was fighting a woman in the olympic games. That angered a lot of people. Then there was a counter outrage of people claiming "There is nothing to be angered about, this fighter is a biological female." It caught fire in large part because who should be allowed to compete with whom, has been a debate raging for a few years now and this story just poured gasoline on the fire.
Firstly, that statement is either true or false. Generally, I think accuracy is important to understand the facts behind any story. Nothing is gained from incorrect info being accepted as truth. So say for argument's sake this fighter has XY chromosomes and is genetically male. But we continue to allow the narrative that they're a biological female go unchecked. Then you're setting an arbitrary precedent that someone with XY chromosomes can be biologically female because they present as female, have female anatomy. Any time you arbitrarily drawing a line in the sand, you open the door for the entire concept to be turned on its head and scientific understanding being lost. What's to stop someone else from saying "Hey, this may not be someone with Swyers Syndrome, but this person has breasts and a feminine voice, why don't we refer to them as biologically female?" Science and the universe chose who is male or female, not arbitrary decision-makers. We just gave them labels, is all. Which somewhat ties into your overall point, I think.
And with an evolving sports landscape when who should be allowed to compete with who and what is fair or unfair continues to be more and more up for debate, the last thing we need right now is to make the solution(whatever that is) even more complicated by losing sight on what biological sex is. Especially when it may be one of the key factors in determining how we approach fairness in sports going forward. We need terms and parameters clearly defined.
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reinking
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Art
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
My bad
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
cycling on cobbles in Paris. Lovely.
So far the truth is that it is one of the most successful Olympics ever, with virtually impecable efforts from the hosts, escecially considering the volatile times we live in.
darth.shrimp
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The picture on the right has some serious meme potential lol
ForAcademicPurposes
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Are you allowed to show up wearing anything you like? Contestants have worn a lot of different sporting clothes so far.
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demigod
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You mean the same source where he appealed and then dropped out of it? So tell us why won’t the IOC release the tests results?
Zathalus
Member
Why won't the IBA state what the actual tests were? Why should they be trusted over the IOC?
Bloobs
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Ballthyrm
Member
I don't think so. It was the other way around for France against Argentina. Olympics refereeing is just weird.
demigod
Member
Hook, line, sinker. This is the olympics, the onus is now on the IOC. Now why won’t they release it? We know why, but keep defending them.
OverHeat
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I would smash it even with the cheese smell hahahah
Dragging the discussion back to the gender controversy will get you removed from here on out. If you haven’t noticed, it’s drowning out the people trying to discuss the games.