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One Piece Manga |OT| ZEHAHAHAHA! The Name of this Age is Blackbeard!
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Huh?
The minks live in relative isolation, and have for centuries. Those which venture out into the world, like Bepo and Pekoms, don't seem to have it rough. Fishmen have been discriminated against for centuries by humans.
BobTheFork
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.. I did not see that coming. I think it's actually more interesting to me if there is beef between the minks and Samurai but this works too.
Imperial Bishop
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Out of sheer coincidence, I decide to check the usual site and holy shit, an early chapter this week!
And that twist! This was my reaction in a nutshell.
And that twist! This was my reaction in a nutshell.
Imperial Bishop
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Chapters like these are why I refuse to read spoilers.
Don't know how some of you guys can do that.
Don't know how some of you guys can do that.
I think it is just because of the elephant moving through the sea + being higher up in the air
everyday math
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Dammit even this twist couldn't get Zoro to reveal his sharingan.
NHarmonic.
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Blackleg-sanji1
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Looking at the strawhat reactions...i miss sanji! Lol only one missing
Either his fruit or the same convienent plot sickness Oda gave to the minks to keep them from telling the strawhats Raizo was on Zou.
He just likes setting up specific moments and will often create some "coincidences" so that the scene works exactly like he wants.
Sibersk Esto
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I thought the minks didn't tell the strawhats they knew about raizou because they didn't know they were connected to the samurai
Maybe because they are hardly presentable? It's not exactly a place where you would be glad to invite a honoured guest to right now.
This seems like a likely interpretation.
It really makes sense, IRC Neko isn't even supposed to walk yet.
I'm more relieved that they won't do the tragic misunderstanding trope than really super surprised or anything. Very happy with how it turned out. Instead of dreading going through the motions of "oh hey everything went to hell again!" I'm excited to see what comes out of this.
Haha yeah honestly when they were going at each other I was expecting Zoro to get real for a second and put them both in their places.. Kinemon messed that up for us.
Imperial Bishop
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The build-up to this twist is so good because for the past few chapters, the Straw Hats were jumping to the conclusion that revealing their association to the Minks would turn out bad.
And for the past few chapters, we're lead to believe that the Minks wouldn't be deceptive to anyone because of the peaceful tendencies of their country and the brutal interrogation they went through.
Oda definitely planned to start and end the Raizou/Mink mystery in one single volume. Those who read OP via volumes are going to get some absolutely great planning, misdirection, build-up, and pay-off when Vol. 81 comes out.
And for the past few chapters, we're lead to believe that the Minks wouldn't be deceptive to anyone because of the peaceful tendencies of their country and the brutal interrogation they went through.
Oda definitely planned to start and end the Raizou/Mink mystery in one single volume. Those who read OP via volumes are going to get some absolutely great planning, misdirection, build-up, and pay-off when Vol. 81 comes out.
It's really been fantastic, I cannot wait to read all of Zou in one sitting.
flintstryker
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Franky as usual a great stand in for the audience in terms of reaction
But I thought our stand in was Bartolomeo...
Have you read the manga before or is this your first time with one piece?
If you're just startingOP in general, be careful. May want to go to the redux thread
I'd really argue against this, but it's ultimately up to you.
I'd recommend the manga but that's your choice, there's at least one arc i've seen people generally like less in the anime compared to the manga though.
flintstryker
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I think it was clear that they didn't tell the Strawhats because they had no idea there was a connection between them
Imperial Bishop
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I would highly recommend not doing that.
Cloud Strife
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HOLY SHIIIIIT!!' Seriously?!?!
I don't really mind that they didn't, but if you're explaining this long story about how your entire society was nearly decimated to the people who saved your lives, why leave out that detail? Why not start with the fact that you knew he was there but defended him anyway? Sure, the Strawhats wouldn't know who that is, but it's a pretty crucial part of the story. Oda just deliberately worked everything around in order to not start with that detail, (such as the samurai falling off the island in the beginning, momo being sick, the minks not telling them) just so he could set up that scene.
It works in his favor because it's a great scene, but there's definitely a big collection of coincidences to get there, lol.
Tathanen
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I think it's more that they are keeping Raizo's presence a secret to everybody, no matter how grateful they might be to the Straw Hats for saving their lives. They allowed the wholesale slaughter of their people to keep the secret, they're not gonna blab it to the Straw Hats just because they were nice to them. Until the samurai came calling, Raizo's presence was classified information to every person on the planet.
Imperial Bishop
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Bingo. Even if the Straw Hats are their saviors, it would be counter-productive to risk the whereabouts of Raizou to anyone who isn't from the Kougetsu clan.
Yeah, that's ultimately the best explaination. It's just a little janky, that's all. But Oda's always willing to sacrifice some of that believability for a really good reason.
Cloud Strife
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If they had mentioned that they had come with the Samurai or if Kinemon hadn't conveniently fallen off of Kanjuro's dragon at the start of the arc then it would have fallen through quite easily. So I get what you mean.
Still willing to give it to Oda, fuuck. Pulled a reverse misunderstanding-trope on us.
a) They didn't tell the Strawhats about them because despite them kinda saving Zou the bond between Wano and the Minks is just stronger than the bond between Strawhats and Minks; I don't think there is a huge reason behind it. When you meet someone you feel very comfortable around and you know them for a very short period of time you shouldn't just tell them all your secrets and details of your life; common sense.
b) Momo feeling uneasy is also another thing you guys are over-analyzing; he's a kid that hasn't seen his dad or Kanjuro in quite a while (remember that that Momo was with Sanji during the Dressrosa arc) and felt uneasy because of that since they are his most familiar connections.
b) Momo feeling uneasy is also another thing you guys are over-analyzing; he's a kid that hasn't seen his dad or Kanjuro in quite a while (remember that that Momo was with Sanji during the Dressrosa arc) and felt uneasy because of that since they are his most familiar connections.
Sibersk Esto
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It's a great scene but yeah, the random samurai game of guess who was a weird contrivance lol
Imperial Bishop
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Momo's comment about feeling uneasy is kind of interesting. Maybe he feels that something is amiss on Zou or maybe he knows something that they don't.
Or it could just be a mis-translation. Wouldn't be the first time for MS. lol
Or it could just be a mis-translation. Wouldn't be the first time for MS. lol
Oh...I retract my former statement.
Also was it ever explained why doffy wanted momo?
Neoriceisgood
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Could just be seasick from riding a massive elephant.
Cloud Strife
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Not yet. Some popular theories are that he's like the Shogun of Wano or something or that his artificial dragon fruit is very powerful.
Could be, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was more to it. And it would help the credibility of this new twist too.
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