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One Piece Manga |OT2| Four Emperors, One King, All Blue
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Aaronrules380
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Viz's translator is far more reliable and trustworthy than mangastream lol. Mangastream is known for taking extreme liberties. If you want to hear more behind the thought process of the Viz scanlation, the translator, Stephen, often goes on the One Piece Podcast
I would have to get some examples of that, when a meaning in japanese uses more words than the english translation of it i can live with a shorter sentence. All that hidden meaning,puns and so on that require really knowing japanese is usually discussed on the OP-podcast. If you want to understand the original jokes you either learn the language or listen in on the manga recaps steven is on.
I have to question people liking the unofficial translations most of the time since they chose to like it based on how much they think the wording sounds cooler and not how accurate they are. All the tumblr posts will take whatever is first and artify and gif it into something.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Cracker's real form is actually really cool, aside from his antenna hair.
Cloud Strife
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Check this out.
I imagine Luffy breaking in and causing Chaos and both sides to be against him. Not sure what Judge would accomplish from a coup, but he's definitely got experience doing them.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
It can be interpreted that way, but the "too hard" statement makes it more vague. Luffy was also using Hawk Gatling against Cracker's shield when he said that, which he is significantly weaker than G4 attacks.
Looking at Sanji reaction to his brothers its so different compared to the rest of his family since he was kinda nonchalant but now he is shivering. I imagine they most have been the main tormentors.
Kid Ichji & Niji:"You will never be as good as Zoro"
Kid Sanji:"Who the hell is Zoro?"
Kid Ichji & Niji:"You will never be as good as Zoro"
Kid Sanji:"Who the hell is Zoro?"
Handy that the raw dialogue is there.
"硬ェ..!こいつの'武装色'っ!"
硬い hard, solid, tough (esp. 固い & 堅い for wood, 硬い for metal and stone)
He saying it as an exclamation, implying it's unexpected, but does not explicitly establish a sense of 'more than x' in the way that appending 'too' would indicate.
こいつの'武装色'っ!
This translates pretty simply as "This guy's busousoku"
Altogether, I would say it translates as "This guy's Color of Armament is tough!"
So VIZ has a more accurate translation, but it still introduces something that's not necessarily there.
"硬ェ..!こいつの'武装色'っ!"
硬い hard, solid, tough (esp. 固い & 堅い for wood, 硬い for metal and stone)
He saying it as an exclamation, implying it's unexpected, but does not explicitly establish a sense of 'more than x' in the way that appending 'too' would indicate.
こいつの'武装色'っ!
This translates pretty simply as "This guy's busousoku"
Altogether, I would say it translates as "This guy's Color of Armament is tough!"
So VIZ has a more accurate translation, but it still introduces something that's not necessarily there.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Inuarashi is going to share the same voice actor as Kakuzu and Skull Face.
http://onepiecepodcast.com/2016/09/02/voice-actor-dogstorm-inuarashi-unveiled/
http://onepiecepodcast.com/2016/09/02/voice-actor-dogstorm-inuarashi-unveiled/
I continue to be perplexed by how difficult it Is to translate a simple phrase or concept from Japanese to English. Japanese people are human beings like everyone else. So, it goes without saying that thier brains hold the same concepts and ideas as anyone else's. So, why is thier language so consistently unclear and/or difficult to parse? The Viz and scanlation versions are so dramatically different... More so than seems reasonable.
I wonder if Japanese readers struggled to understand that panel. If not, then great... It's just a translation issue... Which makes me wonder why it's so damn hard to translate what would be simple for a Japaese reader to grasp. Concepts shouldn't be this difficult to convey.
If not, then either Oda was too vague or maybe Japanese is just a broken language at conveying things clearly.
Translating the idea into English isn't the issue, it's translating it in a way that fits the voice of the character, writer and the scene.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
It's really tough, which is why I don't envy translators because you have to make that shit work in another language with different nuances and connotations.
Xux
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Yeah, that's definitely more important; I'm glad I'm gonna be able afford to support more things I like soon.
I personally okay with some slight embellishing. The Mangasteam like, okay, it communicates an iota of false information by stating that it's the strongest Haki that Luffy has thus far....but so what? The core of the idea of what Luffy is saying is that the Haki is tough and that's communicated. In what way would this false information be disruptive to the story? Even if the reader is left with the impression that Cracker is stronger than he actually is, you could always just roll with it by saying that Luffy was exaggerating or wrong or whatever, so it's hardly like they box themselves in.
I can get wildly offmark translations or ones that alter the core of a message...but this is just fiddling over "Is Cracker tough? Or REAALY tough?"
Just seems like a minor thing to me.
I can get wildly offmark translations or ones that alter the core of a message...but this is just fiddling over "Is Cracker tough? Or REAALY tough?"
Just seems like a minor thing to me.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
It's an insanely nuanced language. The culture has a lot to do with it - it's very homogenized, which means you can say a word or phrase that might have a hidden or even alternate meaning that you expect people to naturally pick up on. What I don't understand is how translations from Japanese almost always end up altered or embellished. I suppose it's because Japanese could be considered a naturally dry sounding language if you're not used to its nuances, but it still irks me, especially when something is being subtitled. The worst is when people add in unnecessary cursing or overly stylize the translation - FFXII's and FFXIV's psuedo-Shakespeare is an example of that, which I loathe.
I know, I know, this comes off as a "I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture, but I'm an expert" post. It's true, though.
Disclaimer: The Mangastream translation is ok, I agree. Not fantastic, but generally good.
Cloud Strife
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Yeah same here. Either way, Cracker is tough as fuck and on bounty-alone one of the strongest enemies Luffy has faced thus far.
I'd save the Doflamingo comparisons until/if we learn more about Cracker's strength but imo Doffy beats him by having CoC.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Idk man doffy couldn't do shit to gear 4th completely out classed. But Cracker is cutting him and blocking hits
It looks like a desert island (desert as in sand, not food) with the cactus. It could have a Texas or Mexico theme. It's most likely an island we haven't seen yet that will be revealed later based on the "a certain island" tease.
Pretty much, based on feats so far Cracker is stronger. Though I will say, from what Cracker said, Doffy could probably take more damage. Somehow I think Cracker would go down to a single Gear 4 hit, whereas Doffy could tank those same hits and Luffy had to bust out the King Kong Gun to win.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
True enough. Although I'm thinking he needs king Kong gun again for cracker at this rate or king Kong bazooka
He's just got to bust through those cracker soldiers and land one solid hit. The fact a day passed and Big Mom hasn't heard from Cracker yet makes me think he was able to do just that.
I do wonder what Nami is up to though. Knowing her, she's going to milk this power she's got over the soul dolls for everything it's worth. Treasure room, here she comes!
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
She's gonna get escorted straight to the vinsmoke estate to find the family treasures lol. And thank God oda is going to let chopper and Carrot free themselves
Considering they can see through the mirrors they'll not only have a good idea of the layout of the castle, but they could very well make a copy of the ponyglyph. I imagine Big Mom had a mirror put in that room so it her daughter could keep an eye on it.
The Straw Hats have been getting really lucky so far. They might not beat Big Mom, but they'll definitely be able to do the job they came to do and escape at this rate.
Also, Nami has the perfect item to make sure they're staying away from Big Mom while they run away later.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
What about Brook and Pedro what do you think they'll accomplish
We don't yet know enough about Pedro to know where his arc is going right now.
As of right now Luffy is captured or trying to find his way in. Nami is being a boss and getting shit done. Chopper is in mirror world and can see pretty much everything in the castle (judging by all the mirrors). Brook is on his way in, but Pedro is a wildcard because there's a lot we don't know about him right now.
Or none of that is right and something insane is has happened in that small time skip.
Not75Drops
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Since it's sort of implied that Cracker can't take much hits, could Luffy use Culverin to manouver around the armour and hit Cracker?
Cloud Strife
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Yeah for sure, we need to see how the fight ends. But remember that Doffy tanked a ton of hits from G4 as well, and Cracker will likely go down with one hit after that I hate pain comment.
Idk, CoC to me makes the user on a whole other level that we have yet to see. Like Trebol says, it makes you a "king" and Luffy developing it in my opinion is what will push him to Yonko level status. Doffy also had it, so that's my reasoning.
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Saint Titanfall
Yeah of those soldiers have better durability than dofft does considering they blocked G4 hits which doffy was completely unlsblevto do out of of culverine with awakening. They're not weak they have some of the toughest dyrabilties we've come across.
Cindi Mayweather
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That One Piece Podcast article made me want to switch to WSJ.
edit: I'm using WSJ trial now. Why can't I zoom in? The resolution for the comic is awful. Also, I just want specific series. I want to go directly to One Piece. I don't care about anything else. Also, why can't I access back issues? I want to read Naruto since I haven't read since chapter 500 or so and there's no option. I'm shocked despite having the licenses to all of these manga Viz doesn't have a real alternative to Marvel Unlimited or the scanlation sites with all that manga. Why can't I go click on "series" then Naruto and read from chapter 1? Why can't I zoom in? I can't see shit on this shitty res? Why can't I just go straight to One Piece? This is why scans are popular.
edit 2: zoomed in using the interface and it's awful. It keeps the comic boxed in but zooms in so you have to manually click and read it that way. Awful. I just want to zoom.
edit: I'm using WSJ trial now. Why can't I zoom in? The resolution for the comic is awful. Also, I just want specific series. I want to go directly to One Piece. I don't care about anything else. Also, why can't I access back issues? I want to read Naruto since I haven't read since chapter 500 or so and there's no option. I'm shocked despite having the licenses to all of these manga Viz doesn't have a real alternative to Marvel Unlimited or the scanlation sites with all that manga. Why can't I go click on "series" then Naruto and read from chapter 1? Why can't I zoom in? I can't see shit on this shitty res? Why can't I just go straight to One Piece? This is why scans are popular.
edit 2: zoomed in using the interface and it's awful. It keeps the comic boxed in but zooms in so you have to manually click and read it that way. Awful. I just want to zoom.
Cindi Mayweather
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I just dled WSJ app. You have to actually dl the issue. You can't just read it like with Marvel U or Comixology. Holy shit. I'd like to support legally beyond the graphic novels but this is a subpar product. I shouldn't have to dl the ENTIRE ISSUE and use my data plan. I JUST WANT ONE PIECE.
I'll continue to pirate week to week while buying novels when they come out. Step your fucking game up Viz.
That said the pages look GREAT on mobile. And you can easily zoom.
I'll continue to pirate week to week while buying novels when they come out. Step your fucking game up Viz.
That said the pages look GREAT on mobile. And you can easily zoom.
On the Marvel and Comixology apps you do need to download issues though...
I've never been able to read anything without first downloading it...
Majukun
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it has never been implied, at least not in the translation I've read. he just said he doesn't like pain, not that he isn't durable. do you really think that a yonkou commander could go down with one attack?
even Magellan didn't took a hit for years, and yet he was perfectly able to take hits
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
So I was playing WoW today, and...
Hehe
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah but he's Capone what on Earth is he going to do. I doubt Big Mom trusts him a great deal in the first place and unless he's working directly with anoth Yonkou I'm not sre of how much damage he can even do.
Haha, that's awesome.
Yeah I can see that happening. Cracker is too much, and I really don't see him dropping even if Luffy lands a clean-hit. Luffy is going to need a power-up if a Yonko subordinate is this fucking strong. I don't really know how the showdown against BIg Mom is even going to work. Luffy can't do shit to this woman.
Cloud Strife
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Nah, not having it. If Luffy is saved then it'll take a billion more chapters for him to get a powerup out of his ass in time for the wedding.
In the latest chapter we skip ahead to the next day, so either Luffy is still fighting Cracker or he won. If Cracker had won Big Mom would have known by now. Since Nami is controlling the homies in the area, I can see her stopping them from reporting Luffy's victory, but obviously if Cracker had won then Nami would have been screwed.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
Yup, I'm betting Luffy won the fight. Still, the problem is Luffy takes at least 10 minutes to recover after using Gear 4. Someone had to step in and rescue him from the homies around him.
Cloud Strife
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Nami, probably. Here's hoping they interrogate Brulee for information, find out about the Mirror World thing, and plan to enter that way. Otherwise Chopper and Carrot might let them in from the inside.
Pekoms would get destroyed against Cracker if he couldn't do anything to Bege.
My hunch is that Bege will discover what Luffy is up to and in a bid to get rid of Big Mom will help them out somehow.
I do want to see what happened to Pekoms though, and I bet my left nut that Jinbei or Aladin saved him.
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