Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You lucky you like sanji I'd have to put the paws on you otherwise. Disrespecting the pirate king like that
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One Piece Manga |OT2| Four Emperors, One King, All Blue
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
There is no king. The throne is empty
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
That's what oda wants you to think. Blackbeard will already be king by the time the strawhats get there
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
After making the revs retreat they found out the location of raftel because the revs knew all along. Blackbeard will be sitting there treasure behind him when luffy arrives
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I still think Luffy will end up giving up his dream for an altruistic or simple reason that will make everyone make EHHHHHHHHHHH~~!? reaction faces
Turns out the Raftel treasure is something that'd be meaningless to Luffy/and or not fit in with the anti-government world that gets created or something
Turns out the Raftel treasure is something that'd be meaningless to Luffy/and or not fit in with the anti-government world that gets created or something
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
So it'll be an actual treasure like gold and stuff lol
Cloud Strife
Member
Yeeeee
Separating a quote is too annoying lol
-There's no way, Smiley is deeeead. It's heavily implied with the whole Devil Fruit transference thing. Where does the whole apple recovery thing happen? Do you mean that Smiley is going to be revived? Fair enough on the others, though. As for the alliance, I think it would be interesting. I imagine the next time we see them it'll be in the heat of the action where they'll "just know" Luffy needed them. Probably looking too much into it but if that's the case then we would be at the climax of whenever they pop up (Wano methinks), so it would be out of place to have the backstories pop up then. Idk, like I said would be fun.
-Yeah, "witch in the woods". Pretty cool.
-On OPP this week someone mentioned (forget who) that it would be funny if Sanji was the one to open it. The gag being that he knows what's in it. A wedding seems like a tea part on crack though, so it makes sense.
-Definitely agree on Big Mom not going down. It doesn't make sense. I do think there might be a small showdown between her and Luffy to hype up the Kaido fight, but her being an ally is just so out left field right now. I like Capone playing into the plot like you say, and I wonder what Oda's going for with them as a group of characters. Clearly they're rebellious against authority, but does he intend to have them all team up in the end?
-My read on Big Mom is that she's smart. She knows something about the history of the world, the D.'s, and what's really going on. I feel like Oda is setting her up as someone who will have an opinion on the WG and Raftel, along with connections to the Old Era before Roger with her knowing Garp. I wonder if perhaps Luffy will be involved in curing her of her eating ailment and that will turn her around.
Whatever One Piece is he'll end up just giving it to someone he's friends with because they want it so bad while he just wants the title of Pirate King.
RomanceDawn
Member
Well see with Smiley that wasn't the first time Caesar used that experiment and I believe the Xolotle fruit as well. This was the second time only now the victims would be stuck in place due to that poison coating/ash/whatever. Caesar said "let us meet again" implying when he would recreate the poison gas he would use Smiley again. After that moment we see Smiley's spirit entering an apple left on the field.
Caesar is selling a super weapon that has several components. Smiley the Xolotle has to eat the poison candy ball to complete the weapon remember? Caesar shows it as a demonstration, Smiley dissolves and kills himself after eating the candy, Caesar has his men place apples on the killing field to keep Smiley's devil fruit spirit in check, Caesar says "let us meet again", then after it's over Caesar collects the fruit and recreates the gas weapon once more for the highest bidder.
Maybe there is a slight miscommunication, I know Smiley as we knew him is dead, but his spirit, what made him what he was beyond Caesar's gas is still intact and on Punk Hazard. Without Caesar there to combine him with an item we may just get a Xolotle human but Monet very well may understand the logistics behind such a procedure. What ever the case, Brown Beard, Vergo, Monet and Smiley's spirit are on that island and intact. One or all of them will cross paths and I'm certain it's in the next cover story.
Usopp will be the Pirate King,... probably by accident.
He's not Buggy where he got where he was because of Luffy.
Primethius
Banned
I hope Oda doesn't pull off something like that. I feel as if that's the sort of gag that might work in the moment but will be looked upon less favorably as time passes on the series.
I know I certainly will, just given how long One Piece has been running.
The only way I could see that being somewhat interesting is if it leads into a sort of redux of Water 7 and Luffy and Usopp duke it out again, with the winner being unquestionably dubbed the pirate king.
Except this time it's Luffy being the unreasonable one and wanting to fight Usopp anyway despite Usopp repeatedly saying "LUFFY IT'S OK I JUST STUMBLED INTO IT YOU CAN HAVE THE TITLE" but Luffy refusing to accept that based on his own principals.
It definitely wouldn't happen but it'd be a kind of cool what if scenario with how much even just now the two of them have advanced, let alone whenever they get to Raftel.
Except this time it's Luffy being the unreasonable one and wanting to fight Usopp anyway despite Usopp repeatedly saying "LUFFY IT'S OK I JUST STUMBLED INTO IT YOU CAN HAVE THE TITLE" but Luffy refusing to accept that based on his own principals.
It definitely wouldn't happen but it'd be a kind of cool what if scenario with how much even just now the two of them have advanced, let alone whenever they get to Raftel.
Bounceounce
Member
Re-skimming Punk Hazard (already re read it earlier this year)and it only cements my opinion more, that all of the post time skip Sanji hate/disappointment is some of the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard.
Primethius
Banned
Sanji post time skip of sooooo much better then pre time skip.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Preach
Cloud Strife
Member
So I just re-read it, and yeah I guess I didn't understand it even after al these years. Yeah Smiley might make a return I suppose, but it seems overly complicated for anything relevant to the plot right now (the whole devil fruit process thing).
Like I said though, I'm pretty sure Brownbeard got arrested. As for Vergo and Monet...well, you know how I feel about them. Their comeback would surpass what happened to Pell, which is why I disagree with that comparison. Sure Pell survived, but was he chopped into pieces and blown up? Did he have his heart stabbed, then blown up?
Idk man, obviously I trust Oda but I would seriously SMH if they return to the story.
On the other hand, Doflamingo definitely isn't finished yet since we haven't seen his eyes. I wonder if Oda is planning on retreading the Baroque Works cover story with the Doffy crew. Since it was only one day, maybe somehow one of the crew returns to Punk Hazard to save Monet and Vergo? Idk.
Cindi Mayweather
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Hmm. Read the latest Viz translation on the chapter and I may continue the switch. I don't think it's ideal (mobile is clearly better than their desktop version) but I can take the bad with the good.
preach
Primethius
Banned
It's really simple for me and if I had to classify pre and post-time skip Sanji, it would be like this:
Pre-time skip:
The Straw Hats had two threats.
Post-time skip:
The Straw Hats have three threats.
RomanceDawn
Member
You know I'm not sure what it is with some people and Sanji. His character isn't written and was never intended to be the completely cool straight arrow Zoro. Sanji's situations take comedic turns in his quest for glory with him sometimes getting egg on his face, thats the trope he follows. He isn't as silly as Luffy with his extremities and he isn't as serious as Zoro.
Though I've seen the same anger turned towards Luffy as well when something silly happens to him. Maybe it was just Bleach in the system. Knowing that the last few years were at hand maybe people just wanted as much ultra cool serious garbage as much as possible.
Sanji has a really cool and visually distinct fighting style, it doesn't define him and his character in the same way that Zoro's swordsmanship defines him. Sometimes it seems like all people want to see is Sanji's feet.
The only reason I think Brown Beard got away was because of the distraction Doflamingo caused when he arrived at Punk Hazard. Brown Beard was allowed to leave to find his men that were left behind and at that point Doffy shows up to eF things up. So while not confirmed I just think Brown Beard got left behind to get the heck out of there while Smoker was down.
With Vergo and Monet I understand the hesitation and my following statements are not an attempt to convince anyone but just to share my interpretation of the scene.
Vergo being chopped to pieces is for the most part a non-issue beyond the fact that he was stuck to a railing. Law's cutting abilities don't actually harm the victim and their bodies function completely normally even while separated. He was caught in a massive explosion and well you know... One Piece.
The hierarchy will always be:
1 - Fist
2 - Sword
3 - Bullet
4 - Cannon
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11 - Explosion
I'm joking but we all know how explosives work in this series. Characters outside of flash backs become cartoonishly black and nothing happens after that.
With Monet it's a bit trickier and its mainly because of her situation that I feel like her story isn't over yet.
Caesar stabs the heart, we see blood, Monet faints. From that very specific angle it looks like a direct hit. My argument is that because of the profile view of the stabbing it was only intended to look like a direct hit. Monet's heart at most gets grazed, with the majority of that blood just coming from the jelly cube. The grazing is enough to jostle her, especially after getting taken out by Tashigi earlier. Then we see Caesar later with the icicle stuck in the ground...
So with Caesar's last ounce of strength before passing out he stabs the heart, takes the icicle out and triumphantly stabs the ground, enough so that the icicle is protruding from the ground? I don't buy it. My guess is he simply missed his direct hit, grazed the heart, spurted a little blood, stabbed the ground with that momentum and just passed out.
Of course that is my interpretation and it can be argued every which way till Sunday. Story wise though there seems to be more left to Monet's character. Vincent Van Gogh was a painter inspired by Claude Monet(among others) and he painted A Starry Night. Monet by her name and her swirly glasses resembling the painting A Starry Night tells me Oda had them in mind when designing her. Before Monet meets Law she is just a normal person with Logia powers, we see on her desk there are many books one of which is cut off but reads in english ASTRO. After meeting with Law it is implied but a near certainty that Monet was given her bird body thanks to Law's powers. Astro, astronomy, a starry night, and well who else has bird wings but the native moon people who migrated to the blue and white seas? Monet wants to go to the moon.
Then we discover outside of the story that Sugar and Monet are sisters? Monet "dies" a day before the events of Dressrosa and there is absolutely zero mention of her fate by Sugar? That is going to be elaborated on mark my words.
Monet still has more to offer the story.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Sanji in Fishman Island was pretty terrible
Sanji before the time skip was both goofy and cool. He had a temper, but was generally pretty chill in most situations. He goofed around a bit with usopp with some scenes and generally seemed younger than say, Zoro, who as pretty much the straight man for a lot of jokes.
After the timeskip, he suffered the same exact fate everyone else: rampant flanderization. Everyone's character traits were just turned up to 11, so for sanji that just meant more perv outs and more temper flare ups. Early on sanji never really seemed super annoyed at everything, but now it seems like literally everything pisses him off. To be fair, Zoro is suffering the exact same problem, but since his reaction to things he hates is just to scowl instead of getting flustered, you're just seeing him in near permanent grump mode.
After the timeskip, he suffered the same exact fate everyone else: rampant flanderization. Everyone's character traits were just turned up to 11, so for sanji that just meant more perv outs and more temper flare ups. Early on sanji never really seemed super annoyed at everything, but now it seems like literally everything pisses him off. To be fair, Zoro is suffering the exact same problem, but since his reaction to things he hates is just to scowl instead of getting flustered, you're just seeing him in near permanent grump mode.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Running outta time
MrSaturn99
Member
One Piece's absence this week really highlights how significant this new era of WSJ is (as in, the current manga line-up) and I don't mean that in a positive way. I really do wonder what the magazine will be like a year from now.
I find the Flanderization mostly just applies to Sanji, Zoro and Nami, with Sanji being hit the hardest. This is obvious, but you know the current arc is set to address the problem with Sanji so I'm looking forward to it.
In the middle of rereading all the volumes and while the current localization is amazing, there are some definite rough patches beforehand. In particular, volumes 11-14 have too much mistranslations/dumbed-down swears and the speed-up volumes tend to get inconsistent with the terminology (granted, the immense workload provided would ensure some mistakes would get by, but it's still glaring). It's probably tied with Case Closed (Detective Conan) as Viz's most inconsistent title in terms of quality.
I find the Flanderization mostly just applies to Sanji, Zoro and Nami, with Sanji being hit the hardest. This is obvious, but you know the current arc is set to address the problem with Sanji so I'm looking forward to it.
In the middle of rereading all the volumes and while the current localization is amazing, there are some definite rough patches beforehand. In particular, volumes 11-14 have too much mistranslations/dumbed-down swears and the speed-up volumes tend to get inconsistent with the terminology (granted, the immense workload provided would ensure some mistakes would get by, but it's still glaring). It's probably tied with Case Closed (Detective Conan) as Viz's most inconsistent title in terms of quality.
Did I miss something? What changed?
Cloud Strife
Member
Bleach is done. The big three are no more; the end of an era.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
To be fair bleach was technically out of that big 3 long before it ended
MrSaturn99
Member
Just a bunch of classic/fan-favorite series ending this year. I know Viz doesn't have the entirety of WSJ's line-up in their online version, but with *Bleach gone and One Piece on break this week, it struck me how plain the current selections are aside from MHA and maybe Promised Neverland.
*Not that I thought it still possessed any semblance of quality by its end, but it's still weird to see a big name gone like that.
I thought you guys meant there was a change in management or policy or something like that.
Maybe for WSJ as a whole, things have changed, but I don't see how things change for One Piece itself. OP hasn't seriously competed with Naruto or Bleach for years. It's sales astronomically higher than any other manga and it's popularity has sustained it's place as the consistent number 1 for over a decade. It's more or less unaffected by Naruto and Bleach's absence as far as I can see.
Maybe for WSJ as a whole, things have changed, but I don't see how things change for One Piece itself. OP hasn't seriously competed with Naruto or Bleach for years. It's sales astronomically higher than any other manga and it's popularity has sustained it's place as the consistent number 1 for over a decade. It's more or less unaffected by Naruto and Bleach's absence as far as I can see.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I was told one piece was losing steam and MHA would replace it as top dog
*Shrugs
MrSaturn99
Member
It doesn't; just making a general observation.
Edit: Looking back, I think I worded what I meant poorly. Added some clarification.
We're not quite at Strong World-era levels, but it's still Japan's best-selling manga. Greg Werner discusses the "five-year rotation" here.
I really need to read that manga at some point. Maybe I won't even hate it.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I overhyped it because of the internet. Its alright. Nothing you probably haven't already read honestly
Your mum never loved you kave
It's alright sanji does
I think you'd like MHA. Characters make fairly logical, rational choices and it doesn't always go for the gag like one piece does.
In my personal opinion, it hasn't quite hit the highs of one piece, but it excels in not having its lows. It's certainly not perfect, but it recently wowed me with some really really good payoffs on subtle build up. I'm enjoying it far more than One Piece right now, and I even like the current Big Mom arc.
I will say this is way more thought-out and nuanced than all the Monet spamming on /a/.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Would I like MHA?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
It's pretty good. Protag is a breath of fresh air(cry baby at first... massively but it dies off alot after the first big arc)
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Idk ...manga spoilers
deku seems hell bent on being sanji now Xp
So he thirsty.
Cloud Strife
Member
Yup. I still remember the days when I looked forward to reading all three in a week.
What do you like?
I will say that MHA has a lot of potential to be something big, and I can see it lasting for a looong time.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I'm shounen? Not much honestly,
I like One Piece a lot obviously. It's my favorite comic book series and love it for its spirit of adventure.
I like Dragon Ball. Loving Super.
Uh, I love sports manga. Like Cross Game and Slam Dunk (which I'm re-reading).
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Fucking assholes!!!! Dude u hate these guys more than Mingo and it's only been like 10 chapters of knowing them
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