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One Piece Manga |OT2| Four Emperors, One King, All Blue
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Blackleg-sanji1
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She was better than Rebecca the first time we saw her try again
Carue's feats:
Leader of the Duck squadron
Protected Vivi against the rebels
Survived a bullet
Survived a frozen river and Zoro's stupiness
Carrot's feats:
Was easily parried by Zoro
Responsable for bropper's capture by Brulee
Obvious traitor
Would have a Kung Fu Dugong as SH much sooner than Traitorrot.
Leader of the Duck squadron
Protected Vivi against the rebels
Survived a bullet
Okay in OP universe it isn't much
Carrot's feats:
Was easily parried by Zoro
Responsable for bropper's capture by Brulee
Obvious traitor
Would have a Kung Fu Dugong as SH much sooner than Traitorrot.
And Carue still hasen't reached his hyperduck form.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
What!? She caught him off guard even when he had his guard up!
And she took out brulee, Randolf and got the train guy no prob
almost killed luffy
Rebel Leader
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How can you trust someone who bribes people into lying to elders/leaders.
She exploited Bariete addiction to bananas, he was clean for 5 months and she ruined it.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Carrot's other feats:
Easily defeated Luffy
Took down Brulee and all her henchmen without breaking a sweat
She has the name of the best Final Fantasy character.
Rebel Leader
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Wrong.
Thats not Jared.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Virtually every character in One Piece is some sort of gag.
Zoro's feats are all shit because he needs swords to facilitate them.
Rebel Leader
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Luffy needs to strech to win
Ussop needs a slingshot
Sanji needs his feet
robin needs her fruit abilites
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I think most of the crew would prefer to eat duck meat.
Rebel Leader
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Carrot will pull of some bugs bunny moves >_>
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Whaaa Bullock's!! She outplayed
my man Dodged his slash mid air.
Don't forget the rabbit foot charms she will make.
Why you gotta call her a rabbit freak tho? As if Chopper isn't a thing lol - Also let's not act like that wasn't a cool af introduction to the character, with her floating and shit
Also, Pudding making chocolate bunnies is now a thing that is in my mind.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Coming soon to a creepy fanart posting near you.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Time to break this tepid discussion with another Oda interview
From Sandman @ APForums
From Sandman @ APForums
Wonder how much having kids changed stuff with OP.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I find it ironic this the latest Sanji chapters are the opposite of that. Unless you have a dark sense of humour some that shit is down right depressing even though you know it'll all wrap up well in the end.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
There's a story he hates because the ending disappointed him..It's Naruto or bleach be honest Oda we won't be mad
edit: his values changed uh oh the actual one piece
edit: his values changed uh oh the actual one piece
It'd be hilarious if it was Naruto, considering he respected the author to make a special cover just for the series.
Rebel Leader
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It's bleach. Definitely bleach
Thank god aout the romance part
I don't think it's Naruto. Naruto ending wan't that bad, the problem was reching the ending. I didn't read Bleach to have an opinion.
I don't think it's Naruto. Naruto ending wan't that bad, the problem was reching the ending. I didn't read Bleach to have an opinion.
Its Bleach, Oda pretty good friends with kishimoto.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Bleach isn't popular anymore tho Xp
"Whenever I submit ONE PIECE chapters, I'm always confident that the chapters are interesting."
He got this.
Also, he said he won't change the final scene, so meh
I dunno though, obviously some people will get disappointed with the knowledge of what One Piece actually is (Those poor anime-only viewers that will get spoiled, tis' a shame), but at least it isn't some friendship BS.
Rebel Leader
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The 13 kingdoms conspired against the D clan because of friendship!!
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
At the very least one piece is legit gold
Life isn't laughs and games. If kids all over the world had to endure seeing Mufasa die in The Lion King Japanese teens should be able to stand this stuff.
You can respect somebody and still tell him "dude, what the fuck have you done to your series".
But he said that the series disappointed him IN THE END. Can't be Bleach.
Imperial Bishop
Banned
Sandman thinks it might be the Wizard of Oz.
I feel this is just a bad mentality for storytelling and it's probably one of the crux's of my issues with all of OP.
I mean, for one, you should be fostering empathy in all ages. Who the fuck thinks kids shouldn't be conditioned to be empathetic? And an adult is going to have an easier time using empathy if they were taught to do it as a kid.
I don't even understand this from an audience pleasing perspective. As far back as I can remember, the best stories I've seen were ones that use some form of empathy for all the characters, including villains. From Batman: TAS episodes showing the tragic tale of his rogues gallery to Power Rangers In Space where they had the main villain be revealed to have a deep emotional connection with the hero. And current day cartoons are ones I feel acknowledge this more too. Steven Universe is a show fundamentally about Love, and literally most of it's villains have have exhibited humanity other than one who just appeared for a single episode. Avatar the Last Airbender has solidified itself as THE cartoon of the past decade in many minds, and that's largely because of Zuko's complex arc of reforming his morals, as well as Azula's brilliantly tragic arc that makes no apologies about her villainy while still showing her human side. So it clearly works.
Bah. One day, I am going to find oda, and me and him are gonna have words.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I'm expecting it to be some sort of global integral device, e.g why DF exists, origins of ht various species etc. Almost definitely link into whatever the void century involves.
Neat interview.
That makes sense. I imagine Oda isn't a fan of "all just a dream".
That makes sense. I imagine Oda isn't a fan of "all just a dream".
Principate
Saint Titanfall
You empathise with villains all the time in One Piece, did you completely forget Mr 2 and Bon Clay you don't just typically don't empathise with villains during the slice you meet them when interested solely in greed power what have you. It's not like the human response is to empathize with a someone like Hitler while he was at his height. Some people are genuine dicks that aren't empathiseable at that time to the vast majority of people.
Not every villain needs to be a Naruto Villain
You literally place them as empathizable only if they're in a state of nonvillainy, which is kinda cheating. People don't stop being empathizable just because their doing a bad thing.
Lack of empathy toward hitler in particular is a strain of irrationality. There was an experiment wherein subjects were told to wear a sweater. Some subjects were told that it was Hitler's sweater. Those who were told that flat out refused to wear the sweater, but couldn't give a reason for it. It's a wonder trying to figure out what might have been going through their minds. "Will hitler's evilness bleed into me through his sweater"?
Empathizing with a villain doesn't mean you let evil happen. You can empathize with Hitler, even at the height of his evilness. It just means you see him as a person than some evil, sweater haunting demon.
Do you really find it that hard to understand? It's just what I was trying to say the other day, but with better words.
Sometimes you don't want to empathyse with everybody. Being given a backstory for a character like Lucci or Doflamingo is nice. You get why they are the way they are. It makes them feel more real in a way.
But in the end, they are still there to be punched in the face. And in the end, Oda wants you to root for Luffy and feel happy when the enemy is finally defeated.
Edit: And, as Principate says, some character have been relatable. Like Mr.2. We may get Crocodile as a potential ally down the line too, since he escaped from Impel Down. But I like that (in One Piece) the big bad guy in an arc is generally a big bad guy.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
If a sociopathic mass murder decides to kill a 1000 people on a whim because it feels good what are you supposed to empathisize with that sort of character. It's far from irrational. Empathy involves putting yourself in their shoes and understand why they came to those decision if you honestly for the life you can't understand why a character comes to those decisions (or you know why and that makes it worse) why should the character need to be written in a manner that is the reader can empathsize with. You haven't explained what the need is for when it's not unrealistic. The world is filled with morally reprehensible people that people feel they have no benefit from empathsizing with.
It's not that I don't understand, it's just that I think it's wrong. Like, not morally wrong, but just as objectively wrong as a subjective subject like narrative can be. I mean, we talked about this a few pages ago. If nothing else, it's not a "Can't have our cake and eat it too" situation. As I talked about other contemporary works are accomplishing both here and here. You can empathize AND have them punched in the face. It's not one or the other.
I mean, your free to disagree and all, but...idk, if we had two versions of any given arc of OP, and we had one that's written as normal while another took the time to explore and humanize the villain and changing nothing else, I can't help but feel that the latter would be received better. It's hard for me to envision a story where lack of humanization is an improvement.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
We already have two points of comparison in terms of mainstream shounen. Naruto and One Piece. Naruto empathsize every single viliain outside of asspull big boss villain, like every single one. To the point that thr final villain is litterally just an anti-hero. Humanising viliains doesn't during a conflict doesn't inherently make them better it makes the character deeper but if all you do is that it gets absurdly stupid unless you ground their objectives too. (Coming up with empathsiseabld reasons for mass murder rape and genocide gets stupid eventually). Azula is a good counts point as she's practically a One piece villain only near the end of two seasons worth of character development does she change. Even then it's not greatly.
More Fun To Compute
Member
He said before that One Piece is an actual thing that exists in the world and he isn't teasing us with abstract bullshit in that sense. He could easily be talking about the ending of Eva.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Son, thems fighting words. Don't be disrespecting the reindeer doctor, okay?! Okay?!
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You.. You actually like chopper? Hmm who knew
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