Blackleg-sanji1
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O boy..welp
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One Piece Manga |OT2| Four Emperors, One King, All Blue
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BobTheFork
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Changing the rules to soot your booking *smh
Tathanen
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but with Pudding, sure she's being undone by Sanji's stupid shtick, but at the same time she had no way of winning anyway. He knew exactly what the plan was, and he's been dodging bullets with zero effort for a few chapters now.
Big Mom tho I'm still suspicious about what's happening here. Her not flipping her shit after "three seconds" and drawing things out like this, I feel almost like she's faking it, trying to get everyone to show their hand. I mean it's One Piece, so it's probably not that, but it still feels a little weird right now.
Yup. I randomly thought of that dialogue and felt it expressed my feelings on Pudding pretty accurately, so I made it. Actually, I wish I changed "favorite" to "queen" since that's hwat we've been calling her, but other than that, I'm happy with it.
Even if it ends with Pudding somehow recovering scraps of her dignity, I don't know if it'll be good storytelling to do so. For me, the only way this ends well is with a complete reversal of what we've just seen....but honestly, who likes the "It was only a dream" trope, which is all that her memory fuckery would be if it does reverse what we just saw. And I feel fairly confident in saying it's gonna end with Pudding being Sanji's waifu for real, no twist. So...I'll see how it turns out, but my expectations are low.
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udding - yeah, I don't disagree with that. But her folding like a deck of cards is just not what I wanted to see. I wanted to see her go down fighting, figuratively if not literallyRe: Big Mom - Lets hope! But I don't think she's psyching anyone out, since she seems to be freaked out from the broken picture.
(On that note, why the hell was this picture painted on what seems to be a stone tablet? they have normal pictures in OP)
You will be back!O boy..welp
It a common across all media to sometimes depend the rules to serve other purposes.
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Blackleg-sanji1
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Hm? Abandon thread? I ain't paying whatever y'all talking bout no mind Xp my boy about to fight
BobTheFork
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That was last year.
Sibersk Esto
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It seems curious to me that Oda seems to be shifting towards trying to give the antagonists some sympathy points since I recall there being a recent(ish) interview where Oda said he tended to avoid that.
Matters if he views then as true villains then.
This was his exact quote:
I keep in mind about poetic justice (rewarding good and punishing evil) when wrapping up stories.
Empathizing enemies would not make audience feel fine after reading stories. Those mangas would be for adults.
I don't write complicated stories. I just want my audience to feel fine after reading ONE PIECE when they have bad days in real life.
Notice wrapping up also btw.
I'm pretty sure I read this before and responded similarly, but this may be the source of why I find such dissatisfaction with his work. This is strongly antithetical to how I think things should be and I feel I have evidence in other children's cartoons like Avatar: The Last Airbender and Steven Universe to show that empathy for the villains is not something that enriches the experience even for children.
But, granted this is something of a recent phenomenon. There were much fewer examples of this when OP started out.
Imperial Bishop
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It's telling that Judge is the only one at the table showing tears. He's seeing for the first time the downside of stripping emotion from his children and making them heartless soldiers.
If there was any better opportunity for Sanji to come out as the "hero" of the Vinsmokes and reconciling some of the bad blood between him and his father, it's in this moment.
If there was any better opportunity for Sanji to come out as the "hero" of the Vinsmokes and reconciling some of the bad blood between him and his father, it's in this moment.
Sibersk Esto
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Judge Vinsmoke is a weird dude.
He's obsessed with the idea of building up his power base in order to achieve his family's former glory, and to this end has surgically and genetically modified his children and a legion of soldiers to be sociopathic killing machines. He's a snob who believes that he and his family are royalty that should be catered to and any outward sign of kindness is seen as subservient and disgraceful.
Yet...he'll hug his 'worthy' children with a big grin on his face. When Big Mom comes with the marriage proposal he actually feels like he faces a dilemma because one of his 'precious' sons would be in the hands of a crazy person. And when Sanji leaves, he claims that even he wouldn't kill one of his own sons.
He's obsessed with the idea of building up his power base in order to achieve his family's former glory, and to this end has surgically and genetically modified his children and a legion of soldiers to be sociopathic killing machines. He's a snob who believes that he and his family are royalty that should be catered to and any outward sign of kindness is seen as subservient and disgraceful.
Yet...he'll hug his 'worthy' children with a big grin on his face. When Big Mom comes with the marriage proposal he actually feels like he faces a dilemma because one of his 'precious' sons would be in the hands of a crazy person. And when Sanji leaves, he claims that even he wouldn't kill one of his own sons.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Yup. To be honest the strawhats could have dipped already. He finds out they're saving his ass..it'll be sweet
Sanji should not reconcile with Judge.
Sanji doesn't even like him, he's doing it out of the good in his heart in general.
Doing that would be a giant fuck you. Judge should come to him and Sanji should just reject him.
Sanji already gots a good relationship with his real father any how.
Sanji doesn't even like him, he's doing it out of the good in his heart in general.
Doing that would be a giant fuck you. Judge should come to him and Sanji should just reject him.
Sanji already gots a good relationship with his real father any how.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Idc either way but knowing this thread...mamamama it'll be glorious
Cindi Mayweather
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Holy shit, Brooke's faces this chapter lmaooo
Blackleg-sanji1
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I mean, I don't really care if he does or not, but it's highly unlikely that he won't reconcile in some form, seeing as how he begged Luffy to help save them.
Although reconcile from my perspective is like Judge begrudgingly respecting him or something, not some big emotional hug out lol
Blackleg-sanji1
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You used the wrong pic so I fixed it for you
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I wonder when oda will change it around
Blackleg-sanji1
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Yet his captain did 🤔. Oda Stan too hard!
you guys think the vinsmokes have any type of control over the marines? maybe they call in a favor and ask a celestial to send somebody to help? i'm hoping we see the new admiral soon and it will either be this arc or the next that he/she appears.
maybe her power works similar to moria's power and she has a bunch of power built up inside her which allows her to be basically impenetrable. if she ends up using all of her power in some giant attack she might end up depowered severely which will allow other crews to ravage her empire.
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Reiju mentioned that her family is allowed to attend the Reverie so I wonder if the Germa Kingdom, in whatever form they take after this arc, will appear there.
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I don't know.
Didn't one of the vinsmokes also say that they might be kicked out of the Reverie once the WG hears about the Germa and big mom marriage?
Matters if Morgan leaks out the wedding news.
That's another thing. Morgans. I like his big bird character design, but why would Big Mom invite him?
I mean, her plan, if it had gone off as intended, would be to betray and summarily execute Germa 66.
Why would she want this to be public information? I don't see what this would accomplish except deincentivize others from forming alliances with her? Maybe she was going to spin the story after the fact, but other than the general feeling that Big Bird has more pride and integrity than it would take to be paid to write a false story, no one seems to have a problem with him yelling about how he's got a big scoop presently. I mean, maybe they're just distracted, but OP always makes time for shenanigans like that.
I mean, her plan, if it had gone off as intended, would be to betray and summarily execute Germa 66.
Why would she want this to be public information? I don't see what this would accomplish except deincentivize others from forming alliances with her? Maybe she was going to spin the story after the fact, but other than the general feeling that Big Bird has more pride and integrity than it would take to be paid to write a false story, no one seems to have a problem with him yelling about how he's got a big scoop presently. I mean, maybe they're just distracted, but OP always makes time for shenanigans like that.
If she has the Vinsmoke's cloning tech it makes her unstoppable. She's already got one of the four strongest military forces--let's be real it took the full force of the marines to handle an aged Whitebeard and his crew and they had to set that shit up perfectly--and this would put her over the top. Why would she not want that to get out? She'd be saying "Look at me, look at me, I'm the captain now" to the entire world. It'd be a huge psychological attack on her enemies as well as deterring anyone from even trying to mess with her going forward.
It's not that complicated.
You can do that while also not throwing any kind of trust in that you'll act in good faith on your alliances in front of a bus.
Also, I feel it's presumptuous. If the best that the vinsmoke artifical human factory can produce are the quarduplets, who've been shown repeatedly to be beneath Sanji, it's hard to get a metric for how strong they'd be. I assumed that they're advantage laid in numbers rather than quality soldiers.
Also, I feel it's presumptuous. If the best that the vinsmoke artifical human factory can produce are the quarduplets, who've been shown repeatedly to be beneath Sanji, it's hard to get a metric for how strong they'd be. I assumed that they're advantage laid in numbers rather than quality soldiers.
I don't know if it matches Kaidou's army of shitty Devil fruit users though.
She'd have more of them. Kaidou is limited by numbers. The only way she doesn't win is if they are susceptible to conqueror's haki, and that's not a given since they have no emotions to speak of.
I guess because I'm not convinced that we've been shown anything to make us believe that Big Mom acquiring the Germa 66 tech would make her unstoppable like it says. What proof does she have that there isn't ANY force in the world that could stop her? If they're really that powerful, why do the Vinsmokes need her help to take back the North Blue?
That and it's basic prudency to not burn bridges for no good reason. What if she were to encounter a problem in controlling the Germa? What if they aren't as good as they said they would be? She's ruining any image of trust she may have for literally no reason except the arrogance that she will just never need it.
Especially in this universe, where 'impossible' feats are performed daily by super empowered individuals, that's just stupid.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
He feels less like a natural jerk and more like someone who became so absorbed in his heritage, success, and families' past victories that he developed a major superiority complex. He feels oblivious and misguided rather than outright evil.
It's interesting how he has noticeable empathetic traits. The only other villain I remember ever having these was Crocodile, and that was only ever really explored after he stopped being the big bad and started being a side character instead. I wonder if it's just to show how his sons are emotionally stunted by comparison.
Making him Donald Trump isn't gonna win him any sympathy points. Not from me anyway.
big mom is going to come out of this diminished so you bet morgan will spill the beans. they likely invited him to spread the news of her acquiring the germa tech but he will instead end up hyping luffy and possibly capone if he gets out of this alive. shit luffy might even have the germa join his alliance in the end.
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