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One Piece Treasure Cruise |OT3| Zephyr any day now...
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AdawgDaFAB
Member
Can someone put up an Axe-Hand Morgan really quick? I have some excess STA to burn before raid time and would like to knock this mission out.
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
I tried putting my max HP red guys under a BB team and reached 164,000 HP. Kind of absurd.
Anyways, is the strat for Heracles stall for BB special then unleash it on him?
Yes, you need 70k going into the boss round to survive
You have an hour.
Yup. Could be that you need a little more damage via normal attacks(1-2 red orbs) or other specials. But that's all.
AdawgDaFAB
Member
Done. I even had 2 Cola drop on the run so thanks for the extra bit of luck on doing that mission quickly, too!
lucypirates
Unconfirmed Member
No doubt. So many events going on right now, I really wanted to run Smoker too but need to figure out how to balance it all yet. I haven't even started Arlong yet, just want to get through Heracles'n first and see how I feel after.
The only real strategy is just timing your turn counters for as fast a run as possible. Only things to note is there are pre-emptives on Stage 4 and 5.
You want to leave Stage 4 on turn 3 of BB's special, thus when you enter the boss stage, you go to Turn 2, then Heracles'n will shuffle your orbs to Turn 1, attack Heracles'n for some chip damage, tank the 69,610 HP damage. 2x BB special, then finish off Heracles'n with specials or normal combo (preferable to have at least 2 STR orbs).
CD sockets will help for an even faster run, you may take damage on Stage 2 because all three dinosaurs can show up with 1 turn counter (roughly 19k damage each). Stage 2 will be your biggest obstacle and you may take damage to Stage 4 from the crab to stall, unless you wipe the floor with a Kid special. But your only goal is to reach the boss with at least 70,000 HP.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Vote for Hancock plz
That's a good question...
Is it going to be INT up? I would rather have Rayleigh/Sengoku/Lucci.
should probably be using Rayleigh for him but I'm used to my timing on Sengoku more right now. Doing 30stam instead for now. Still don't have my full team leveled yet so 40 can be a little too scary.
*edit* nm I got some random luck doing 30 with Sengoku. Threw together a Rayleigh team and its much more comfortable. Timing wasn't as bad for my first time.
Really wish I had what it takes for 40. I have Mr. 3 and Usopp but my other subs suck right now. Need to evolve and level Robin.
*edit* nm I got some random luck doing 30 with Sengoku. Threw together a Rayleigh team and its much more comfortable. Timing wasn't as bad for my first time.
Really wish I had what it takes for 40. I have Mr. 3 and Usopp but my other subs suck right now. Need to evolve and level Robin.
Bremsstrahlung
Member
Okay, got Heracles 40 figured out.
Rayleigh x2
Robin
Towel Nami (because INT down apparently means PSY up)
Mr 3
GP Usopp
Rayleigh x2
Robin
Towel Nami (because INT down apparently means PSY up)
Mr 3
GP Usopp
What's the difference between the 30 and 40 beside the obvious difficulty?
Is the 40 stamina one a guaranteed drop for the boss?
I'm not ready to do both for now but just want to know how raids works.
Also, I've read that there's also a 60 stamina one? I didn't see it on extra island.
Is the 40 stamina one a guaranteed drop for the boss?
I'm not ready to do both for now but just want to know how raids works.
Also, I've read that there's also a 60 stamina one? I didn't see it on extra island.
Yes, the maximum stamina is always a guaranteed drop for raids. 60 stamina is only for a few raids like Enel, Doflamingo, and Aokiji. The only one that has 30/40/60 is Enel.
Oh i see. It depends on the raid. So for this raid, Heracles is guaranteed at 40 stamina? But for Enel, it's the 60 stamina?
And do raids rotate? Or i missed out the past raids forever?
Old raids come back. Right now we're at once a week for raids. They seem to mostly try to run a full rotation
Neoriceisgood
Member
What's the go to strategy for that seahorse stage with a Log Luffy team?
Just kill as many as you can normally & take the hit of the ones left alive?
Just kill as many as you can normally & take the hit of the ones left alive?
Yeah. If you need more turns to stall, the elder will be on a 2 turn CD after attacking and the crab will be on the 3 turn CD. The elder also locks for 6 turns so you'll have to plan around that if you don't have enough anti bind. You could also opt to use GP Usopp on that stage as well if you can 2 shot Heracles'un
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
If you have max GP use at beginning, stall max turns, taking 2 hits from crab and you'll have it up again when Herc rages; probably don't need it, but meh. Otherwise plow through them from the get-go.
Neoriceisgood
Member
I'll use that as a safety net if I ever enter that stage low on HP and need an escape route!
Heracles'n and his mobs never hit me so losing some HP is no big deal, I was just curious how most people run that stage.
Majukun
Member
nobody knows how much the boost is usually since it's all RNG,so it might happen than on a qck sugofest you get all characters with that type or none at all.
we have no reason to think that legends have a different rate than any other unit in the pool really,and their rarity comes from sheer numbers (less than 10 characters in a pool of probably mroe than a hundred at this point),so they will probbaly just get the "usual" boost..not much to count on,but an added bonus for sure
Thank god it's the top 3 boosted groups, for some reason people are voting for the powerhouse group, even though we just had the cp9 batch...it doesn't even have Blueno ! Fuck democracy sometimes.
And the free spirit is ahead of cerebral, I'm speechless, hopefully fighters still keep it up, it's by far the best group.
I hate times like this though, a week ago I had almost nothing to do in the game, and now I have to skip arlong and smoker FNs because I need LL and Zoro sockets.
And the free spirit is ahead of cerebral, I'm speechless, hopefully fighters still keep it up, it's by far the best group.
I hate times like this though, a week ago I had almost nothing to do in the game, and now I have to skip arlong and smoker FNs because I need LL and Zoro sockets.
Neoriceisgood
Member
I'm pretty sure a lot of people are simply voting for the group they need most units from.
Some groups like the fighter group are great ... but I've got all units except one from that bunch, so for me it's not a really good option.
Japan has a legend boosted sugo right now and I did 10+1 pull and I didn't get a legend
meanwhile a few people here got one legend with less pulls, I think. Like I said before don't expect any legends just because they are boosted. It's still RNG.Voted for powerhouse, to match my Legend Lucci, and Raleigh/Croc/Sengoku. Those can clear a lot, and plus I really want them!!
EDIT: Heracles-un was actually really easy to beat. I was worried I didn't have a decent enough team (BB special too low, Robin the same). But found that Raid Mihawkx2, Vista, SlasherCroc, Prison Mr1, and GP did the job just fine. I could probably change things around to have my INTHawk as a lead, but I won't mess with things this go-round. Only natural stamina too, too many sugos coming up and I don't have a captain that need Heracles-un right now
EDIT: Heracles-un was actually really easy to beat. I was worried I didn't have a decent enough team (BB special too low, Robin the same). But found that Raid Mihawkx2, Vista, SlasherCroc, Prison Mr1, and GP did the job just fine. I could probably change things around to have my INTHawk as a lead, but I won't mess with things this go-round. Only natural stamina too, too many sugos coming up and I don't have a captain that need Heracles-un right now
Can BB oneshot the 30stam version as well? Assuming it's the same setup I don't know if I should switch to Vista or Nami instead. Wouldn't cafe of ally but I'm just a out to level up so I better not screw up the upcoming run xD
Neoriceisgood
Member
As usual, there's some step in the process that I'm overlooking. Once I finish my dinner, it's on.
What team should i try to build with Log Luffy? All Strength? I keep seeing how strong LL is but i still have no idea how to build a teak around him. Any suggestions is highly appreciated.
Also, how does his captain skill works? If i hit good great perfect, the rest of the fight I'll get 4x attack? Or only the last hit takes the 4x?
Also, how does his captain skill works? If i hit good great perfect, the rest of the fight I'll get 4x attack? Or only the last hit takes the 4x?
Neoriceisgood
Member
Good->Great->Perfect; last 3 hits 4x damage. (but this is slightly mitigated by your combo being good-great rather than full perfect, so it +- balances out with G3's damage output)
Log Luffy allows for a rainbow team so usually you have 1-2 units that do heavy damage to the raid/fortnight boss.
e.g. my Log Luffy team for Heracles'N =
Log/Log
Nico Robin/ Slasherdile
Godsopp/ Whitey Bay
As long as my orbs are good I use robin or croc for my final hit. Part of Log Luffy's benefits is the ability to construct a rainbow team that fits the enemy you're facing.
/edit
When fighting a DEX boss only your final 3 heavy hitters really need to be STR btw, as the first 3 hits barely do any damage anyway.
Oh i see. Captain skill stacks? Seeing your team have 2 log, that means 8x attack?
For the next round, attack goes back to normal and i need to hit good great perfect again?
Neoriceisgood
Member
Yep every turn you need to hit good/great/perfect, it's the reason people consider G3/Log teams kinda stressful as a single mistake can ruin your entire run.
To get an idea how different captains stack you can always use the damage calculator:
http://optc-db.github.io/damage/#/
Usually people use a captain + friend captain with the exact same ability. There's a few LOG users on gaf you could befriend for Log luffy friend captains.
It's possible to mix log with various STR teams/captains though, as long as their captain ability has synergy.
(you can't mix LOG with G3 for example, as they have mutual exclusive activation conditions)
No, every damage buff in this game is multiplied, that's how you get the huge numbers (like 4 million damage).
2 Log Luffy cap skill (4x4 on the last 3 hits) = 16
Then you have the chain multipliers which on the last hit is x2
Then the perfect multiplier 1.9x
Then the ship damage buff 1.5x
The type modifier (x2 if advantageous or 0.5x if it isn't)
that's a lot, but there is more, then you have the type/class buffs and the orb boosting buffs.
So for example a log luffy team in a perfect scenario could possibly deal something lke this on the last hit:
16x2x1.9x1.5x2x2x2 = 729 times the character's attack.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Saved me the trouble of writing that all out hahah.
how are people using the specials for Mr.3 And GP Usopp when it comes to Heracles?
My main issue is it's hard to tell when hes going to wipe away the delay. On top of that when he gets under 40% or w/e he starts locking half my team and chain healing. Having anyone locked on my Ray team is pretty much game over. Part of my problem is if I don't use my delay early I might not have enough health to make it through. I've tried saving it for a certain % when he starts to lock and heal more but at that point he throws around his delay wipe even more randomly.
My main issue is it's hard to tell when hes going to wipe away the delay. On top of that when he gets under 40% or w/e he starts locking half my team and chain healing. Having anyone locked on my Ray team is pretty much game over. Part of my problem is if I don't use my delay early I might not have enough health to make it through. I've tried saving it for a certain % when he starts to lock and heal more but at that point he throws around his delay wipe even more randomly.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Can a double Ray team not KO him before he gets a chance to really do anything?
With my 2xLog team I do this:
turn 1: sunny special to destroy mobs
turn 2: after his powerup I use godsopp
turn 3: damage him to around 30-40%
turn 4: nico robin + whitey bay for that guaranteed KO hit.
AdawgDaFAB
Member
I wasn't able to get him up to max CD, but my 17 CD BB has made this raid easy mode.
It would be even easier if my MC's CD wasn't 24, >_>.
Mine can't on 30stam. Sometimes I can handle him without issue. Others I use my specials, he wipes the delay right after, then I may get caught in his lock/heal chain near the end and have no chance. Just to be clear my team is far from perfect.
Ray x2
Mr.3 (special lvl 3)
GP Usopp
Alvida (she def saves my ass sometimes)
Kaku Dock One Carpentry Specialist (lvl 89, using him because I don't have Robin leveled yet and his orb boost is better than the rest of my subs so far.)