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Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
Some people on other forums mentions being the only user, but still having it hidden.

For the record, I just updated my iMac 2012, using the combo updater, I have multiple users and my Users folder is still visible.

Edit: secodn note - my ~/Library folder is still unhidden as I normally have it.

Can anyone else confirm using the combo updater does not hide the user folder?

I'm downloading the combo updater and turning off find my mac on my macbook pro. I'll let you guys know what happens.
 

mrkgoo

Member
Yeah, so acording to this link

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/arti...itunes-11.2-and-find-my-mac-combination-not-1

It seems like it is definitely iTunes 11.2 and having Find My Mac enable. Must be a bug.

Yeah I mentioned above.
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It's not specifically the combo updater or anything.

I just mentioned as a data point.

The bug could still be in 10.9.3, but manifests when you install itunes 11.2 with Find my Mac enabled. For example has anyone tried installing 11.2 itunes with find my mac on 10.8? Or 10.9.2?

Point is, it's really hard to troubleshoot such complex systems. People often chime in with "it's definitely this or that", when t could easily be a combination of things. Correlation vs causation.
 

Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
Yeah, you are right. I installed the combo updated and the user folder was there. Find my Mac was off and I should have tried to turn it on to see what happens but I didn't think to do it. I then installed iTunes and the user folder was still there. It wasn't until I turned on find my Mac that it disappeared. So at the very least find my mac is involved.
 

Ashhong

Member
Hey guys, apologies if this is the wrong thread, but my 2009 Macbook Pro is currently running really slow all of a sudden. I noticed that the CPU die temperature is at a whopping 110+ Celsius. I've never seen it this high. What's going on?? The CPU usage isnt even that high..
 

Deku Tree

Member
Hey guys, apologies if this is the wrong thread, but my 2009 Macbook Pro is currently running really slow all of a sudden. I noticed that the CPU die temperature is at a whopping 110+ Celsius. I've never seen it this high. What's going on?? The CPU usage isnt even that high..

You could be watching your HDD in the end stages of failing. Is your data backed up? Or do you have an SSD?
 

Ashhong

Member
You could be watching your HDD in the end stages of failing. Is your data backed up? Or do you have an SSD?

I have an SSD for my OS and a HDD for media.

I took my charger out and turned off the computer for a while and now it's back to normal ish temperatures..~78-80. I'm in an office right now and was plugged into some pretty heavy duty surge protector. Could it be my charger going bad or something? It's even a new charger..
 

Deku Tree

Member
I have an SSD for my OS and a HDD for media.

I took my charger out and turned off the computer for a while and now it's back to normal ish temperatures..~78-80. I'm in an office right now and was plugged into some pretty heavy duty surge protector. Could it be my charger going bad or something? It's even a new charger..

Can you take it to an Apple store to get a free diagnostic?
 

Deku Tree

Member
Also, if your charger fails, it shouldn't affect your computer other than to prevent you from charging the battery. Or if you have a horrible third-party charger, the charger might set on fire or something like that. But the computer has a regulator in it to prevent taking too much power.
 
Hey guys, apologies if this is the wrong thread, but my 2009 Macbook Pro is currently running really slow all of a sudden. I noticed that the CPU die temperature is at a whopping 110+ Celsius. I've never seen it this high. What's going on?? The CPU usage isnt even that high..

It will clock the CPU way down if it gets too hot, so the slowness is a symptom of the heat, which may be a symptom of something else— e.g. airflow blocking hairballs from a cat sitting on the keyboard.

What sort of surface was the MacBook sitting on?
 

kennah

Member
Try running SMC Fan Control and see if you get any improvement when the fans are running at 100%. Could be a number of things from 'expired' thermal paste on the CPU, a dead fan, clogged or dirty heat sinks.
 

mrkgoo

Member
So apparently there were some dodgy ads on neoGAF yesterday, caught by some malware-detecting software:

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=800619&page=100000

But it got me thinking, what do people like us Mac users do about stuff like this, when we're generally not running malware detection programs? I mean sure, likely the malware doesn't do anything, but you know, in the interests of security and stuff. What about JavaScript exploits and the like?

We wouldn't even really know would we?
 

X-Frame

Member
Can someone help me out with the Notes app, and why my Mac Notes app is not syncing whatsoever with my iOS Notes apps?

In iOS > Settings it is set up with iCloud as the default account.

In OSX > Notes > Default Account it has iCloud as selected.

But when I open up the iOS app it has notes not having updaters since 2013 yet I am updating them on my Mac Notes app. What am I missing?

Thanks!
 

mrkgoo

Member
Can someone help me out with the Notes app, and why my Mac Notes app is not syncing whatsoever with my iOS Notes apps?

In iOS > Settings it is set up with iCloud as the default account.

In OSX > Notes > Default Account it has iCloud as selected.

But when I open up the iOS app it has notes not having updaters since 2013 yet I am updating them on my Mac Notes app. What am I missing?

Thanks!

Have you looked under system settings -> iCloud -> and checked that notes is flagged on?

Basically, have you informed the systems that you want to use iCloud for notes and have iCloud turned on?
 

Ashhong

Member
It will clock the CPU way down if it gets too hot, so the slowness is a symptom of the heat, which may be a symptom of something else— e.g. airflow blocking hairballs from a cat sitting on the keyboard.

What sort of surface was the MacBook sitting on?

Try running SMC Fan Control and see if you get any improvement when the fans are running at 100%. Could be a number of things from 'expired' thermal paste on the CPU, a dead fan, clogged or dirty heat sinks.

It was on a pretty standard wooden panel desk.

Fans were definitely running but I don't know the speed. Will check that out.

I used it for a bit without the charger and temps stayed around the normal (for me) 70-80 with soundcloud on. Pretty shitty anyway but still not goddamn 112 degrees. Somehow related to my charger/battery or something...
 

X-Frame

Member
Have you looked under system settings -> iCloud -> and checked that notes is flagged on?

Basically, have you informed the systems that you want to use iCloud for notes and have iCloud turned on?

Yup! Notes has been checked there too. It's very strange, I can't figure it out.
 

kennah

Member
It was on a pretty standard wooden panel desk.

Fans were definitely running but I don't know the speed. Will check that out.

I used it for a bit without the charger and temps stayed around the normal (for me) 70-80 with soundcloud on. Pretty shitty anyway but still not goddamn 112 degrees. Somehow related to my charger/battery or something...

I have an 09 15" and it pretty regularly gets up to 100 under load.
 

Ashhong

Member
Well I am an idiot. I mistook my HDD spinning sound as the exhaust fan. Checked my sensors and the fans weren't working. Did SMC reset and still nothing. Smacked the bottom of my case and the fans instantly turned on at 6000RPM lol. Thanks guys
 

kennah

Member
Well I am an idiot. I mistook my HDD spinning sound as the exhaust fan. Checked my sensors and the fans weren't working. Did SMC reset and still nothing. Smacked the bottom of my case and the fans instantly turned on at 6000RPM lol. Thanks guys

Depending on which model you have the fans are very easy to replace. I did both of mine for under $40. (one fan wasn't working, so went ahead and replaced both).
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
I'm a Firefox user (I would use Chrome if it didn't run like shit on GAF). What are the avantages of Safari over Firefox?
Snarky reply:

It doesn't suck.

Non-snarky reply:

Well, it doesn't suck IMHO. 7.x makes it usable. It's multi-process for tabs like it should be (Like Chrome is) and is pretty fast. It doesn't slow the hell down when opening a lot of tabs with videos. For me Firefox is unusable anymore as a normal browser. I only keep it around for one purpose. And since I am an Apple user, it is great to use something default to the system so I can take advantage of the iCloud tabs and synced Reading List. When Mavericks/iOS 7 came out I finally dumped Chrome, which had been getting worse and worse for me. But Firefox will always just be a porn browser. Firefox is still single-thread. That's just... just silly! It's 2014! The only separate process Firefox gets is Flash.

Safari 7 actually has me looking forward to refinements in Safari 8. It could use some tweaks but for the most part it is very very awesome.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
My browser history on OS X:

2000: Internet Explorer 5 (Remember when it's one of the only two choices we had?)
2001: OmniWeb (The other of the two choices)
2002: Mozilla
2003: Safari
2006: Firefox
2010: Chrome
2013: Safari

At this point I don't see myself going back. The iCloud stuff and integration with iOS and OS X are enough to keep me here for a long time. Apple would have to completely fuck Safari up to the point of un-usability for me to consider any alternatives. And at this point they'd have to be something other than the current Firefox and Chrome iterations.
 

Ashhong

Member
Depending on which model you have the fans are very easy to replace. I did both of mine for under $40. (one fan wasn't working, so went ahead and replaced both).

I will have to look into that if it stops working again.

I have thought about reseating the CPU with new thermal paste. Is that a good idea? I know you said your temps go pretty high, but lower would be better right? Just not sure how hard it is to do. I can do it on a PC but idk about a laptop.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I was reading about Omni Group putting out a new application today, which led me to their site and led me to the realization OmniWeb is still a thing. Which is pretty amazing to me.

I used Netscape back in the day, and by the time I got to Mac OS X Safari was a thing, in all its brushed metal glory (did the 10.3 version that originally shipped have tabs? I think it was right before that.) Every other browser I've tried has died by obscurity. Shiira. Camino. Flock.

Despite the page-reloading issues I never switched from Safari. Partially because I'm not a crazy person who kept open more than a half-dozen tabs at once.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
Yeah, if there's only one thing I would do away with in Safari, on both OS', it's the damn reloading problem. I can understand it on iOS. But on my Retina MBP with 16GB RAM? DON'T RELOAD MY PAGE WHEN I GO BACK! It is such a waste of time and useless.

Also, as much as I love the NTP grid, I hate how it loads the thumbnail. Since it doesn't log you in to do it, (For obvious reasons) the way websites are set up these days causes the method Safari uses to be completely useless. On a site like say FaceBook or Twitter, you end up with thumbnails of login splash pages. On some other sites, like my Plex Dashboard, you get a screenshot of the loading splash page. I prefer how iOS does it in that it shows icons and colors. The way OS X Safari does it makes it hard to find the right icon sometimes. I tried to hack it by manually editing and locking the PNG/JPG files Safari creates in the cache but it just created new ones. Let me change the thumbnails manually! Or take a screenshot when I am actually using the page myself and don't change it again until next time! I'd much rather have nice big website icons like a NeoGAF logo that I can recognize at a glance.

And thirdly, the shitty Tab Overview... its so poorly designed. What's the point? It should be a grid of page previews. Not a scrolling list of tabs that only shows you one at a time. It's so useless I never use it, plus it keeps accidentally activating when I'm trying to scroll.

Oh, and fourthly, REMEMBER OUR DAMN ZOOM SETTINGS PLEASE! When I zoom on a page, because yes, I'm using 1920x1200 on a 15" display which makes things small at default setting, I want it to remember the setting for that website! Every other browser remembers this. I've had to use an extension to add CSS code to every site manually. But it works so wonkily. Please please please fix this.

Okay, lastly, Command+Shift+T. That is the key combo required to reopen a tab in every single other browser. It should NOT be Command+Z in Safari. That is a conflict. Change this! Separate them! Fix it.

All other complaints have been fixed with extensions or GLIMS. (Like icons in tabs. My god how useful are they? I can't believe Safari doesn't have them by default.)
 
Snarky reply:

It doesn't suck.

Non-snarky reply:

Well, it doesn't suck IMHO. 7.x makes it usable. It's multi-process for tabs like it should be (Like Chrome is) and is pretty fast. It doesn't slow the hell down when opening a lot of tabs with videos. For me Firefox is unusable anymore as a normal browser. I only keep it around for one purpose. And since I am an Apple user, it is great to use something default to the system so I can take advantage of the iCloud tabs and synced Reading List. When Mavericks/iOS 7 came out I finally dumped Chrome, which had been getting worse and worse for me. But Firefox will always just be a porn browser. Firefox is still single-thread. That's just... just silly! It's 2014! The only separate process Firefox gets is Flash.

Safari 7 actually has me looking forward to refinements in Safari 8. It could use some tweaks but for the most part it is very very awesome.
Chrome is still fine for me, and is still more progressive than Safari, but it was Chrome's higher power usage and lack of GPU acceleration that did it in for me.

If you have a desktop Mac, Chrome is fine. If you have a MacBook Pro, Safari on Mavericks is the correct answer.

Apple would have to completely fuck Safari up to the point of un-usability for me to consider any alternatives. And at this point they'd have to be something other than the current Firefox and Chrome iterations.

Which they have been known to do, unfortunately...

Safari 4 was fantastic. Safari 5 and 6, however, had a plethora of issues, including page loading problems, checker boarding when scrolling, reloading pages when you switch to that tab like on an old iOS device, etc., and most of these issues didn't see any kind of resolution until the next OS(!!) release. I can't wait a year for Apple to make my browser properly work.
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
Why does Safari still not have tab stacking? It's the one thing I miss.
They also don't have Pinned Tabs like Firefox has (Chromes are shit. Shit I tell you. They suck.) which I guess I don't really care about. If I could have one pinned to NeoGAF Subscriptions and have it lock to that page so if I click a link it opens in another tab and closing it will go back, or if I try to open the Subscriptions page from another tab, it will just switch back to the pinned tab, it'd be a perfect feature. But no browser does it that way. So I don't care about them.

I just want Tab Overview to be replaced with a grid of thumbnails instead of the useless thing it has now.

Which they have been known to do, unfortunately...

Safari 4 was fantastic. Safari 5 and 6, however, had a plethora of issues, including page loading problems, checker boarding when scrolling, reloading pages when you switch to that tab like on an old iOS device, etc., and most of these issues didn't see any kind of resolution until the next OS(!!) release. I can't wait a year for Apple to make my browser properly work.
Which is why I switched to Firefox in the first place all those years ago. Maybe. I dunno. Actually I think I switched to Firefox because at the time Safari didn't have extensions and they were a new awesome thing that was becoming popular with Firefox. Now I'm back on Safari, which may not have all the extensions it needs, but it has the ones I want for the most part. I actually use less than I did on Chrome.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
I feel like no one really uses extensions, though (aside from maybe Adblock.) They sort of fell by the wayside for a lot of people after being used a lot more.

Like widgets :(
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
I feel like no one really uses extensions, though (aside from maybe Adblock.) They sort of fell by the wayside for a lot of people after being used a lot more.

Like widgets :(
Yeah. It seems that way. Though I stopped using Widgets years ago, and never used Dashboard (I was a Konfabulator guy for years) instead I make my own using a combination of Bowtie and GeekTool.

And while there's relatively few extensions for Safari, it does seem to have most of the important stuff. The ones I use are AdBlock (Obligatory "yes, it's disabled for NeoGAF" comment), 1Password companion which is super useful, QuickStyle for manually zooming the pages since Safari doesn't remember it for some reason, Invisible Statusbar since for some reason Safari doesn't have the little floating popup URL status like Chrome, instead opting for the super useless waste of space status bar and YouTube Center for making YouTube not auto-play and use HTML5 instead of Flash. (The creator of YouTube Me! needs to fix his script to use HTML5 when embedding in NeoGAF because for some reason it still forces Flash which sucks ass and means I don't use YTM!)

I had to switch to YouTube Center from YouTube5 because YouTube5 stopped working and the developer went AWOL. I switched to YouTube5 from YouTube Options when they went pay only and fucked up the whole extension with corporate buyout it seems. I really hope YouTube Center doesn't die off like the previous two. I can't stand Flash-based auto-playing YouTube. (And no, the YouTube HTML5 setting does not work on literally 90% of their videos. YouTube Center however works on 99%.)

I also had to switch back to AdBlock from AdBlock Plus a few weeks ago because sites got crafty and started hiding the content of many pages when AdBlock was detected. I think it had something to do with a specific ad server company. Maybe Google or something. I dunno. I hate it though because it isn't as featured as AdBlock Plus.

I just miss extension syncing. Safari doesn't sync its extensions sadly. So I'll have to manually install them for my Mac mini Server if I ever go back to using it for playing video.
 

Danj

Member
So yeah this half term we're getting our Mac support people in to show us how to set up Profile Manager for managing Macs on Mavericks and beyond. That should be fun, because from what I've seen of Profile Manager it was designed for 1-1 device-user relationships with ipads or iphones or whatever, and all the Mac functionality such as it is is just bolted on. Thanks Apple for deprecating Workgroup Manager! </sarcasm>
 

The Real Abed

Perma-Junior
I just realized that for some reason I have photos in my iPhoto Library package that were deleted from iPhoto months ago. They're just sitting in the Masters folder orphaned with nothing referencing them. They'd be images that might have been taken, or screenshots that were taken or images that were saved to my iPhone or iPad and ended up going up to the cloud. But I deleted them. But for some reason they're still there.

I tried Googling but no solution seems to exist. I tried something suggested on Apple Discussions where you create a duplicate and drag the duplicated Masters folder into iPhoto and ignore duplicates but it added a lot of duplicates anyway and completely cluttered everything up.

So now I'm looking at a Finder search window with all images from the Masters folder and seeing a lot of images I deleted and some duplicates and not knowing which ones to remove.

Surely there's a better way to analyze an iPhoto library and figure out which "originals" aren't linked anymore. At least with iTunes you can drag the iTunes Library onto iTunes itself and it'll add only what doesn't exist in the list.

I also have photos I took in 2003 or earlier that for some reason have 2018 as their date created and I don't know why, but it's been like that forever and is annoying as shit. (I blame the camera for being shitty at remembering dates when the batteries are removed. Fuck, how did we survive before cell phone cameras?)

Edit: At least if I have iPhoto open when I try deleting a photo it'll smartly ask if I want to remove it. So that's something. But goddamn there's soooo many old image files that shouldn't be here anymore!
 
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