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Oscar nominee Charlotte Rampling says diversity row is 'racist to white people'
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The structure for white people to vehemently deny that there is no issue in the system is unfortunately too damn strong.
You'd be lucky to get many people to identify it exists, let alone be able to explain why exactly such a power structure exists. And while we are on the topic of ignorance
if that is the criteria that they judge the films on, then yeah, they really have no recompense. Really? Studio Ghibli(FUCKING PRINCESS KAGUYA EVEN) is now referred to as "crappy Chinese cartoons no one even cares about"? I thought it was a parody statement when i first heard about it
You'd be lucky to get many people to identify it exists, let alone be able to explain why exactly such a power structure exists. And while we are on the topic of ignorance
if that is the criteria that they judge the films on, then yeah, they really have no recompense. Really? Studio Ghibli(FUCKING PRINCESS KAGUYA EVEN) is now referred to as "crappy Chinese cartoons no one even cares about"? I thought it was a parody statement when i first heard about it
Can Crusher
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True, Inside Out deserved a best movie of the year nom, period.
Bobby Roberts
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If you guys were waiting for Clint Eastwood to weigh in, here you go.
Unrelated to the Oscars, but why can't non-white people be racist? The word, as I understand it, simply means believing one race is inherently superior to another. Black people can be racist against Mexicans. Chinese against Japanese.
And really, is there anything more than a semantic difference between those two words, anyway? It seems better to differentiate "racism" and "systemic racism" than "racism" and "prejudice".
Shame that he didn't seem very invested in the question or movement, but his response isn't all that surprising.
It's semantics.
Yeah. But some people get *really* heated about semantics. :/
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I don't think that people are suggesting that non-white people cannot be racist against other non-white people. The idea is borne of white people being at the top, and thus the angle of racism meaning the belief of racial superiority, or racism as a structure, generally isn't directed from non-white people to white people. Clearly, playing Byakuya has blinded you to your privilege!
If it wasn't clear, that last line was a million </s>es and 
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sYa anyone who says it can't go both ways is mistaken (however it's not as common in the US thats for sure). I think there is a difference in those terms, like I would call those girls racist but not prejudist, which I think requires some amount of discrimination.
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I mean if you were arguing that, for instance, white people experience racism in parts of Asia, I would agree that it's certainly a thing. It is however much harder and less common for it to happen in countries like the US.
Everyone is a peon to ByakuyaI don't think that people are suggesting that non-white people cannot be racist against other non-white people. The idea is borne of white people being at the top, and thus the angle of racism meaning the belief of racial superiority, or racism as a structure, generally isn't directed from non-white people to white people. Clearly, playing Byakuya has blinded you to your privilege!
If it wasn't clear, that last line was a million </s>es and
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I think this happens because the argument is usually presented in a way to blame black people or to shift the discussion to something that it's not. It gets tiring watching white people dodge racism, imply they have it just as bad as anyone else, or put the responsibility on black people instead of themselves. So people get heated about reminding white people who actually has the power and influence in America and that they have the responsibility to do something about it.
How many countries are like the US?
Yeah. i tend to dodge these discussion because it's nothing more than a smoke screen.
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Australia? It certainly has very similar problems wrt discrimination against its indigenous population.
Which is weird because you'd think white racists wouldn't care if an Asian man and Black woman kissed, but I guess Black + anything else, or an Asian man showing romantic prowess, is too much for them.
I'm going to take a wild guess that they would like them if they weren't "black" movies. Kind of like they like all genres of music except rap, but then Macklemore is okay.
Isn't this simply how most Oscar discussions go down? I've also seen people shit on DiCaprio or Damon when talking about how Black actors got snubbed.
You would think he'd be a bit more sympathetic given that he's one of the very few big white directors that's tackled films with a focus on Asian races, but I guess I was wrong.
aygomyownroad
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I understand her side of the Argument.
Down the line will we see some white people denided a nomination just because they need more persons of colour to balance it out?
Yes that would be racism as well as the other way around.
The Academy needed the overhaul. It needed more diveristy in colour and sex, and its sad this has come to this level of bad publicity to get it done.
Down the line will we see some white people denided a nomination just because they need more persons of colour to balance it out?
Yes that would be racism as well as the other way around.
The Academy needed the overhaul. It needed more diveristy in colour and sex, and its sad this has come to this level of bad publicity to get it done.
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Gotdatmoney
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These statements, it's so mind boggling. If the Academy was not overwhelming designed to be a racist white only institution it wouldn't even be odd to see a best lead actor section lead by all minorities one year and have lots of various mixes throughout the years. It's called unfortunate when no minorities are nominated. It's a denial of nomination if you don't have a white person. It's so ridiculous.
ryutaro's mama
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Racism has power, prejudice, by it self, doesn't.
For example, PoC can hate a White person all they want for being White. There is no system in greater society that empowers that viewpoint, versus in a White dominated society, the dominant group sets the tone for others, meaning hating PoC IS EMPOWERED, based on societal conditions.
Racism is what gets a kid in a bathing suit thrown to the ground and detained, while her White counterparts goes free. The cop that assaults that kid over may not have prejudice in his/her conscious thinking but the racism that created the system of bias made that kid a more likely suspect than the other kids. Same goes with a woman clutching her purse or refusing to get into an elevator with a PoC alone. The list goes on.
Racism is a system that can be enforced. Prejudice, by it self, is just that--prejudice. It has no real power in greater society. I know the semantics police will link me dictionary definitions of why I am wrong or whatever but that is what it boils down to for me. The reason it is impossible for PoC to exhibit racism (instead of prejudice) towards White people is because it is not PoC dominated society.
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It would've been a lot dumber if those two had kissed in the context of that film though.
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No one is arguing quotas, quotas only ever come up when people complain about the nonexistent demand for quotas. People are asking for nothing more than the achievements of POC to be acknowledged.
If that's your definition of racism, then certainly. And it's a valid one. It just seems like describing that phenomenon as "systemic racism" is both less ambiguous and more descriptive, but to each their own.
While I agree that the industry has a lack of diverse roles and lots of whitewashing, I don't particularly agree with the uproar in regards to the Oscars. If the roles aren't there, then how do you expect there to be nominations?
What annoys me about this whole issue is the Smith family and their stance. Will Smith has been nominated twice in the past, and now that he has done another serious role and wasn't nominated he and his wife are raising a fuss and playing the race card? It simply means that you weren't good enough bro. And this whole "let's us do us" and "let them do them" is so racist it is not even funny, totally the wrong stand to take just because things haven't gone your way the last 2 years.
This whole boycott thing is so childish.
What annoys me about this whole issue is the Smith family and their stance. Will Smith has been nominated twice in the past, and now that he has done another serious role and wasn't nominated he and his wife are raising a fuss and playing the race card? It simply means that you weren't good enough bro. And this whole "let's us do us" and "let them do them" is so racist it is not even funny, totally the wrong stand to take just because things haven't gone your way the last 2 years.
This whole boycott thing is so childish.
theignoramus
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Yeah we wouldn't want racial bias ever going the other direction would we
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Right, so basically it's not that an aging 94%-white panel has a racial bias, it's that white people conveniently year-over-year are the best
You clearly didn't read my post
excelsiorlef
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Well considering it worked...I'd call it effective not childish
But hey thanks for your hot take and dropping of "the race card"
Also the roles were there (still not enough overall but enough for nomination), that ground has bern covered....
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I did, actually. I'd chalk Jada/Will's thing up to the fact that it's a perceived snub that goes along with multiple perceived snubs of other POC.
This year had plenty of great roles for POC. The Academy just decided that, like every year, a merit-based awards show has no merit. And if you seriously think that this is a problem of the last two years, well you might be a bit too uninformed to be participating in this discussion.
Gotdatmoney
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Race Card is like Exodia. Play it and all problems on the playing field are destroyed
Did they have a cut of it where the test audience basically laughed at it?
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I wouldn't go to the "didn't read" counter if I hadn't read word one of the 500+ post thread I was attempting to contribute to, though. That's just kinda asking for the call-out.
TheSpoiler
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Playing the race card is so convenient. Like, get pulled over by a cop? Flash him that card and it's "have a nice day sir!"
Meal too expensive? Show'em that card and get it for free.
Losing a match in SF4? Insert the race card and get a free ultra.
Minorities have it so easy.
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No, Will Smith was apparently terrible.
Cool to have a literal personification of Hollywood in the Oscar race
Well, almost.She does have a uterus and stuff Forgot about menopause and certain common procedures. Well, no penis for sure
Idris Elba and like three performances in Straight Outta Compton are worthy in my opinion
Well, almost.
Idris Elba and like three performances in Straight Outta Compton are worthy in my opinion
MHWilliams
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Okay. We've seen and answered this question a few times already, but here:
Best Picture
Straight Outta Compton
Sicario
Creed
Beasts of No Nation
Best Actor
Abraham Attah - Beast of No Nation
Michael B Jordan - Creed
Best Supporting
Idris Elba - Beasts of No Nation
Benecio del Toro - Sicario
Sam Jackson - Hateful Eight
You can see some of these in Scott Feinberg's list of Oscar predictions prior to the official release. (He's gotten rather good at picking the nominations.)
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Benicio del toro?
MHWilliams
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Is there more to this question, or is this about spelling?
ldcommando
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Isn´t he white? I´m googling it but it is not very clear. I always saw him as white.
Aaronology
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"Benicio Monserrate Rafael Del Toro Sánchez, better known as Benicio del Toro, is a Puerto Rican actor." First thing that comes up when you google him.
Your google-fu is weak.
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