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Oscars change rules to "lessen bias towards old-school [2D] animation"
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Here, here! It even got a wonderful dub that is now available on Netflix.
Well, then In this Corner of the World might stand a fighting chance this year.
Seoul Station was pretty nice although I would understand why people might not consider it as a contender.
Fancyarcher
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Those examples are few and fair between, of course. Personally I think The Handmaiden should have gotten a few technical nods at least, but it didn't, of course.
lightskintwin
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A lot of films and performances get snubbed every year. Some films get more momentum than others like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, City of God, and Pan's Labyrinth. The Handmaiden had no momentum during Awards season. It happens.
lightskintwin
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A lot of them abstain if that's the case.
The only bias is pro-Pixar/Disney.
God, that winner list something. Happy Feet and Brave are especially terrible.
lightskintwin
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I mean there probably is cultural and national bias as well.
I guess. I just think there are a lot of Western animated films that get shafted too.
petran79
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At least that voter was honest about his ignorance. The other two were worse. They liked the movies but voted the opposite so as to not dissapoint their kids.
Please. Watch more animated movies.
There is absolutely a bias towards American stuff, particularly Disney, but let's not pretend anime movies are godlike and would sweep every year it ran in.
lightskintwin
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True, but I think foreign animated films get shafted worse especially the year Big Hero 6 won when Song of the Sea and The Tale of Princess Kaguya were much better and more interestingly animated and culturally important films than a bog standard super hero origin story.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
the funny thing is while it is generally better than the source material, they took out stuff that made it stand out
the costume dude for instance became an actual monster, and that was part of his theme - he has a regular name yet is stuck as a monster
basically the Disney version had aspects that would actually make for a good movie with Japanese superhero tropes, yet they doubled down on it being so safe.
Oscars are a marketing machine used to promote US movies. That is why studios spend lot of money to push their own movies. They expect more money back.
Oscars always had a biais. You can not be nominated for best movie if the movie is not in english (then when a french movie like The Artist has no sound, it wons
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And of course, you can not see everything. Voters receive tapes (at least from the nominees) but do the have time or taste to get it right ?
Oscars always had a biais. You can not be nominated for best movie if the movie is not in english (then when a french movie like The Artist has no sound, it wons
)And of course, you can not see everything. Voters receive tapes (at least from the nominees) but do the have time or taste to get it right ?
lightskintwin
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Oscars are a marketing machine used to promote US movies. That is why studios spend lot of money to push their own movies. They expect more money back.
Oscars always had a biais. You can not be nominated for best movie if the movie is not in english (then when a french movie like The Artist has no sound, it wons
And of course, you can not see everything. Voters receive tapes (at least from the nominees) but do the have time or taste to get it right ?
Every award show has a bias. If you have an opinion, you have a bias.
Fancyarcher
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It's a really shame though. Oh well!
twinturbo2
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Let's be real here, it won mainly because of a massive hate campaign against La La Land simply for existing. Even Barry Jenkins thought is was too much, and it was his movie that benefited.
Moonlight is the second lowest grossing Best Picture winner ever- only The Hurt Locker made less, when adjusted for inflation. They made April Reign happy- although she's insisting she had nothing to do with it, and is spinning this so hard she might was well be Danny Sullivan- but it really didn't help the public perception of the Oscars for the last decade or so being mainly for rewarding arthouse films nobody sees.
They should do away with runoff balloting and tiered balloting. That should help.
witchedwiz
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Lesse the bias, because they won. Lot in the last years, amirite?
Wind rises was REALLY good..
But your name.. Heck your name deserves win it all...
Wind rises was REALLY good..
But your name.. Heck your name deserves win it all...
Turin Turambar
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This, I remember Kaguya was nominated in the year I read an article of some guy who voted in the Oscars, saying something like 'Chinese fuckin' things' (ironically similar to the ol' 'chinese cartoons')
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/award-se...ters-are-clueless-about-animation-109456.html
lightskintwin
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LOL Kubo is not better than Zootopia.
You may have a better argument with Paranorman against Brave.
greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
Also lessen bias towards novelty tchotchke award statues please.
I'll also settle for ones with little capes for superhero movies.
I'll also settle for ones with little capes for superhero movies.
Fbh
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Lol what?... WHAT???
Aren't all winners from the last 10 years or so CGI? What bias are they even talking about?
So instead of having 1% chance of winning 2D films should have a 0.1% ?
If there is bias towards anything it's Disney. I'll say that both inside out and Zootopia were good enough to deserve the award. But Big Hero 6 and Brave winning was just a joke.
Aren't all winners from the last 10 years or so CGI? What bias are they even talking about?
So instead of having 1% chance of winning 2D films should have a 0.1% ?
If there is bias towards anything it's Disney. I'll say that both inside out and Zootopia were good enough to deserve the award. But Big Hero 6 and Brave winning was just a joke.
Monochromaticx
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sooooo
how much did disney pay them ?
how much did disney pay them ?
The kid thing slayed me =|
Bias in nomination process. If everyone gets to vote for the winner of best animated picture and they often complain that the film they want to vote for isn't even nominated why not give them the opportunity to change that? I mean yeah you are giving into these babies and their possible shit tastes but as you can see by many of the actual winners the end result will probably be pretty similar.
Because they don't know what the fuck they are doing. The only people who should be voting on best animated feature either in the nomination process or in the general vote are those who either work in animation, or have a profound interest in the medium. The reason Disney wins year after year is that a general Joe schmoe votes for whatever their kid takes them to see, or whatever fits their narrow view of the artform. These people should never vote for best animated feature.
It works the other way too. If I'm a key frame artist, what the fuck do I know about sound design or costume design. Nothing, of course. So why the fuck should I be voting on those topics?
All this move is going to do is move the selection of big budget American films from the general vote to the nomination vote, cutting off great films from smaller and foreign companies. That is always a bad thing. Say goodbye to Boy and the World, or The Secret of Kells, or A Cat in Paris, or Princess Kaguya being nominated in the future. It really helped them out and brought them a bunch of attention, but you can kiss the majority of that goodbye now.
Big difference is that Disney spend money promoting their movies for the award selection. Call that lobbying. The japanese company do nothing except say "hey, we are nominated".
For Studio Ghibli, this is a lose situation considering Disney is distributing them in the US, and no way they will get first priority over Disney internal production.
For Studio Ghibli, this is a lose situation considering Disney is distributing them in the US, and no way they will get first priority over Disney internal production.
GKSilKamina
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Agreed. I liked Frozen a lot, but Ernest & Celestine was a superior film in almost every way possible.
I'm proud to be part of that two dozen. ;_;
petran79
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Had the voters applied the same policy to live action films, then Marvel and DC movies would dominate best movie Oscars. Kids like them after all
SonicMegaDrive
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What.
When was the last time a 2D animated film won an Oscar? When was the last time an American studio made a 2D animated film, period?
When was the last time a 2D animated film won an Oscar? When was the last time an American studio made a 2D animated film, period?
Speedydonut
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This came out in theaters last year and there was that Spongebob movie sequel that was mostly 2D until the final act.
Lol nope, Kubo is pretty and.... that's about it.
hosannainexcelsis
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Disney is not distributing Ghibli films in the US anymore; GKIDS is. But Ghibli will probably never come out with another film, so they don't have to worry.
Hayao Miazaki is developing a film as we speak. Dude can't retire, I think it physically pains him or something, lol.
hosannainexcelsis
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He has an idea for a new film, but the film hasn't been greenlit yet and Miyazaki is just working by himself at the moment. It's not impossible that he'll actually make it eventually, but it seems unlikely to me. Since the production structure of Ghibli has been dismantled for a while now, it would take a good deal of time and effort to build that back up if Miyazaki does end up trying to make another film there.
airmangataosenai
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This move genuinely feels slightly racist given the implication of what is being shunned here. Then again it also impacts a lot of French animation as well but the angle of concentrating on the racial politics seems like the stronger strategy in light of all the whitewashing accusations.
It's more about the fact that 2d animation is still used a lot for smaller budget films, in europe and japan, but i mean.. Animation is animation to me. There isn't any type of .. difference to make in the way they are done. It's a weird idea that a certain technique should be more or less represented or more or less advantaged in awards.. At least a general award.
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