IMHO Roemer has to go, he is not doing it for the SP.
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OT | Dutch General Election 2017 | Exit Poll: Major underperformance for Wilders
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IMHO Roemer has to go, he is not doing it for the SP.
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Hopefully this is a sign of better days to come.
I have mixed feelings about this result. Of course it's great that Wilders isn't the biggest party, but it's still worrisome that 25 seats went to populist parties (20 PVV, 3 DENK, 2 FvD). That's the time we live in I guess, but it still makes me sad.
And other than that, I dread a VVD + CDA + D66 + CUcoalition. Not only would that be a very right wing combination, it would also have a very strong Christian backbone. Which means goodbye to "voltooid leven" for instance.
And other than that, I dread a VVD + CDA + D66 + CUcoalition. Not only would that be a very right wing combination, it would also have a very strong Christian backbone. Which means goodbye to "voltooid leven" for instance.
With the PvdA in shambles, they could have done far better.
Don't you just love democracy? You live in a country where you can say pretty much anything you want without a visit from the authorities to reeducate you. Hahah​a
I wanted to see wilders party win no new seats but this result is good enough for me. I had a feeling that opinion polls were underestimating the VVD a few days ago and it looks like I may have been right.
His Majesty
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Woo, congratulations neighbours!
PjotrStroganov
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With PVV so popular aren't you more worried with the amount of disconnected people in general?
HarryHengst
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Baudet has 2 seats so thats an extra party that loves Russia.
HarryHengst
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It shows what the people want unfortunately.
VVD + CDA + D66 + GL.
Boozeroony
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Progress.
So sad to see Erdogan now indirectly has four seats in the Dutch government.
Denk did not reject Erdogan's ludicrous statements about the Dutch being Nazi's, Fascists and even his lies about the genocide in Srebrenica. He didn't even allow the press at the Denk event last evening.
Denk did not reject Erdogan's ludicrous statements about the Dutch being Nazi's, Fascists and even his lies about the genocide in Srebrenica. He didn't even allow the press at the Denk event last evening.
Funny how progress and reasonable proposals always coincidentally fuck over poor people.
People really should stop to put D66 forth as a right wing party (kept hearing this from the NOS lady yesterday night also but it's totally misrepresenting the party).
Their voting habits align most closely with CU and Groenlinks than any other party:
I'd say left/right is still basically 50/50 but with more people in the middle now than before:
Right (58):
FvD 2
PVV 20
VVD 33
SGP 3
Middle Right (19):
CDA 19
Middle Left (24):
D66 19
CU 5
Left (49):
Groenlinks 14
SP 14
PvdA 9
PvdD 5
50+ 4
Denk 3
Their voting habits align most closely with CU and Groenlinks than any other party:
I'd say left/right is still basically 50/50 but with more people in the middle now than before:
Right (58):
FvD 2
PVV 20
VVD 33
SGP 3
Middle Right (19):
CDA 19
Middle Left (24):
D66 19
CU 5
Left (49):
Groenlinks 14
SP 14
PvdA 9
PvdD 5
50+ 4
Denk 3
Chuckie
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What do you consider rightwing?
His Majesty
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What kind of party is D66? Lots of Dutch friends of mine said they voted for them.
What kind of party is D66? Lots of Dutch friends of mine said they voted for them.
Always-honest
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Eh...
liberal progressive. The Dutch kind of liberal progressive, that is.
ClosingADoor
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Holland has always been more right leaning then left. Nothing surprising there.
Others might say the leftist parties fuck over the middle class. For example, if you are a single parent renting, you might as well not even try to raise your income from the low 20.000 to 30.000, since you will not gain anything but 300 euro due to subsidies and such on lower incomes.
Pro-EU, social progressive, economic right leaning. Also one of the parties that doesn't go along with Wilders rethoric and stands up to him.
Boozeroony
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Does it?
Intellectualist, progressive, social-liberal.
Participated in the purple cabinet's in the 90's that arranged for positive law's on donor-registration, euthanasia and gay-marriage.
Most recently managed to pass a law on cannabis legalization through the second chamber (still needs to be ratified by a majority in the first chamber which isn't there).
Sony
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They won't. From this day onward DENK will always be in the second chamber. There is enough people in the Netherlands that will vote for DENK just because their leaders are Turkish/Muslim to grant them at least 1 seat in perpetuity.
Here's hoping Rutten actually has the balls to form a coalition with Wilders. Despite the mans anti-Islam campaign he does have a few good points.
But it'll never happen. Like. Never. Which is funny concerning you are the 2nd biggest party. I really hope Rutten remains the bad-ass he was when he needed to be against Turkey.
But it'll never happen. Like. Never. Which is funny concerning you are the 2nd biggest party. I really hope Rutten remains the bad-ass he was when he needed to be against Turkey.
Boozeroony
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And that's fine. DENK uncovers the ideals of many Dutch Turks. Already blocking almost all journalists from their election party, DENK will only isolate themselves more and give other parties a good focus to attack their backward values.
Boozeroony
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'Marktwerking in de zorg' though...
THey are also protest votes against Wilders, since all parties started catering to the "sad little white heterosexual male, that needs cuddles and cookies!", some of the "sad little minority heterosexual males, that also need cookies!" want a party to vote for. That's where Denk comes in, PVV for Heterosexual males that aren't white.
Yup, just like the SGP will always be there (for the foreseeable future).
I think it's much better to have the migrant-based vote be out in the open.
With DENK at least we can see how many voters there are that still haven't integrated well into dutch society. When those people voted for PvdA they where still kinda invisible among the rest of the pvda voting crowd.
With DENK at least we can see how many voters there are that still haven't integrated well into dutch society. When those people voted for PvdA they where still kinda invisible among the rest of the pvda voting crowd.
That's just shit policy design, policy made in coalition with the right.
Chuckie
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Not really sure what you even mean by this post. What does sexuality and gender even have to do with these elections?
ClosingADoor
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At least there is someone representing the people from immigrant descent that are not happy now. We might not agree with their reasons or solutions, but at least this way they can be debated and hear what they think exactly and try to combat that or convince them.
So you agree that we should tax less on the middle class then? Or give the lower class less subsidies? That sounds more center / right wing actually.
Those things are the result of the kind of income policies the (far) left wants.
What you're using is the same old left-wing rhetoric.
Magic Mushroom
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They could have, but the are still the biggest winners of this election. Which is important, because we really need to pay more attention to environmental issues. In that respect, it's a good thing Partij voor de Dieren did really well too. And to a lesser extent the Christen-Unie, who are one of the greener parties. And D66 I guess, though I expected a bit more from them when it comes to the environment.
So, its breaking down to probably this:
Realistic coalition, my preference:
85 seats: VVD – GL – CDA – D66
(Eerste Kamer: 39 / 75 seats)
Realistic coalition, not my preference
76 seats: VVD – CDA – D66 – CU
(Eerste Kamer: 38 / 75 seats)
Unrealistic coalition, focus on center + left parties:
80 seats: CDA – D66 – GL – SP – PvdA – PvdD
(Eerste Kamer: 45 / 75 seats)
Unrealistic coalition, focus on center + right parties and the worst timeline (and no Eerste Kamer majority):
77 seats: VVD – PVV – SGP – FVD – CDA
(Eerste Kamer: 36 / 75 seats)
VVD – PVV – CDA – FVD – CU is also possibility, but I can't see CU agreeing with that.
Realistic coalition, my preference:
85 seats: VVD – GL – CDA – D66
(Eerste Kamer: 39 / 75 seats)
Realistic coalition, not my preference
76 seats: VVD – CDA – D66 – CU
(Eerste Kamer: 38 / 75 seats)
Unrealistic coalition, focus on center + left parties:
80 seats: CDA – D66 – GL – SP – PvdA – PvdD
(Eerste Kamer: 45 / 75 seats)
Unrealistic coalition, focus on center + right parties and the worst timeline (and no Eerste Kamer majority):
77 seats: VVD – PVV – SGP – FVD – CDA
(Eerste Kamer: 36 / 75 seats)
VVD – PVV – CDA – FVD – CU is also possibility, but I can't see CU agreeing with that.
Wind's Howling
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Less.
The pressure to form a stable coalition is huge. The Netherlands and Europe need it. The more we wait, the more unstable the EU can become.
Milly Osworth
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The biggest left wing party lost 30 seats and what seemed to be the golden boy only managed to get 10 of those. That's not the great victory everyone was expecting.
Souldriver
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I don't know much about Dutch politics, but I was also under the impression that you can not really categorize D66 as "right wing". Socially they're liberal, and economically they seem to be a mix of social-democratic and liberal aspects.
Also a bit disappointed to wake up to one seat extra for PVV and one seat less for GL. I would have loved for the PVV's already sour mood to get worse by underperforming from the exit poll.
Also a bit disappointed to wake up to one seat extra for PVV and one seat less for GL. I would have loved for the PVV's already sour mood to get worse by underperforming from the exit poll.
Yeah, my guess would be that PvdA votes went to D66, GL, PvdD and also Denk.
Magic Mushroom
Member
It's still a great victory, the biggest of them all. And an important one, as mentioned before, because we really need parties that put climate change, which is the biggest problem facing the world right now, on the map.
Chuckie
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Haha, I have one of those people on my Fb.
ClosingADoor
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Agreed
I think the most likely.
Forget it. CDA isn't left enough and PvdA wants to be opposition.
Fortunately no Eerste Kamer majority means no go.
Yeah CU isn't going to do this.
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