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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload
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Again Ouro is arguing against me being lynched. Your flip, proves I was telling the truth about WM and if you have a cop ability. With the latter, cop ability or not we can still lynch Vere next day phase.
I would rather not be lynched since Ouro would just say he still has a cop ability, but he fudged the character. He already started goin that path earlier when he mentioned I would flip WM.
Ask yourself this, why would a town cop lie about his character?
Ouro flip tells us Vere's alignment (assuming ouro has cop ability) and whether I lied though. 2 birds one stone.
Again, he doesn't want me lynched.
You keep saying that I "don't want you lynched," but the reality is that I still think you are scum, so of course I am fine with it - but I have no reason to want to lynch a possibility over a definite.
Fine, I can see your guys' perspective, but you want to lynch the cop in order to prove it?
So I die and flip Widowmaker - then you get Zeke and Verelios? 2-for-1 is a good trade, but is that really the order you want to do it in rather than let me investigate someone else tonight?
EzekelRAGE
Member
If you are widowmake then there is no possibility of me being scum, I have to be scum.
Could be neutral.
If I were in doubt I'd be pushing for the safe option (Zeke), but your actions today have been ridiculous.
Hi Splinter, I'm Ouro. Nice to meet you.
And if by ridiculous you mean "claimed my role and ability to oust a scum and then got into a long-ass argument with someone that is trying to counterclaim MY hero, despite me knowing that I am who I am," then sure.
I don't see what is so ridiculous about wanting to lynch a definite scum (from my perspective) rather than a possibility. Yes, he's lying about his claim, but that could mean:
A) He's scum
B) He's neutral, and there's the slight possibility that it's a true neutral, not one that is completely against town
or
C) He's channelling his inner nin and is town
C is nonsense.
B isn't important enough to worry about. We lynch Zeke, he flips non-Widoemaker, we have a reason to trust you and lynch Verelios tomorrow. It's not like this is lylo.
True enough.
It's more of the fact that there was a lot of bluster about how I'm public enemy number one of V turns out to be town, so if it's the will of the players, then fine. I'm obviously against it on principle, but I can't control others' votes.
AbsolutBro
Member
I started responding to stuff, then had to do an emergency fix at the barn. One of the sheep was chewing on an electrical wire. (She's fine.)
Between the three, it seems the Vere vote has the most steam. His lack of defense is certainly not helping his case at all, but I suspect he may just be frustrated with the game's direction right now. Honestly, the whole situation smells to me. Ouro was riding Vere D1 (for something I found highly inconsequential), so it's not like today's focus is new. He threw out two fake role claims (netural Zenyatta and Tracker-Tracer), and now has been called on his Widowmaker claim. He's also claiming full time cop, when we have at least one other 1-shot cop claim.
Basically nothing about Ouro's claim really seems to stand on its own merits, but it's not there's anything disproving it either.
IF Vere is telling the truth about his Lucio role (1 shot team BP) and that is his only power, we stand to lose the least by lynching him today. We lose what is essentially a vanilla town now. His town flip would almost certainly throw the focus onto Ouro (whom I would expect to defend himself rigorously tomorrow [swapper!]). That assumes Ouro isn't a lyncher who vanishes at the end of the night phase by getting Vere killed, or getting himself killed during the night or something. Where we go after that is questionable also, since at that point numerous players will have been lost in all the hubbub.
Going to eat dinner, post more later.
I really don't get this, but this is hardly the first time you have asked for power details. Seriously sketchy.
Well, if he IS a cop and found a scum (two indirectly), why would he want to lynch himself and have town lose his power? I mean, that's just silly.
Seriously sketchy.
Nin investigated cabot, not me. Also no 'e'. It also looks like we have multiple cop or pseudo-cop roles, if we believe all the claims so far.
I am reminded strongly of Princess Mafia, where darryl claimed my Wendy role and I nearly got lynched for calling him out on it.
Between the three, it seems the Vere vote has the most steam. His lack of defense is certainly not helping his case at all, but I suspect he may just be frustrated with the game's direction right now. Honestly, the whole situation smells to me. Ouro was riding Vere D1 (for something I found highly inconsequential), so it's not like today's focus is new. He threw out two fake role claims (netural Zenyatta and Tracker-Tracer), and now has been called on his Widowmaker claim. He's also claiming full time cop, when we have at least one other 1-shot cop claim.
Basically nothing about Ouro's claim really seems to stand on its own merits, but it's not there's anything disproving it either.
IF Vere is telling the truth about his Lucio role (1 shot team BP) and that is his only power, we stand to lose the least by lynching him today. We lose what is essentially a vanilla town now. His town flip would almost certainly throw the focus onto Ouro (whom I would expect to defend himself rigorously tomorrow [swapper!]). That assumes Ouro isn't a lyncher who vanishes at the end of the night phase by getting Vere killed, or getting himself killed during the night or something. Where we go after that is questionable also, since at that point numerous players will have been lost in all the hubbub.
Going to eat dinner, post more later.
I'm back for the day. I think I have read all so I will try to lay the possibilities here:
1) We lynch Vere:
A- He flips town: That means that Ouro lied to us. I don't think he can be scum as it is a ridiculous plan with nothing to gain so could be a neutral lyncher who targers Vere. If this is the case he accomplish his mission and wins, so he is out of the game too. That means that Eze didn't lie about his role and he is the widowmaker (it means nothing about his aligment). Or Ouro is town who have a beef against Vere and he should be lynched by stupidity.
B- He flips scum: We lynch a scum, which it's great. Ouro can really be a cop, another scum throwing Vere under the bus for credibility or a neutral. Either way he must be still under the light because of the role thing. Now we would have both Ouro and Eze with the same role name. We could lynch either one of them to get things straight.
2) We lynch Ouro:
A- He flips town: There are several possibilities here:
A1- He flips cop and widowmaker: Vere is really scum and Eze was lying so we should lynch both.
A2- He flips cop but not widowmaker: Vere is really scum and Eze was right about is role (we still don't know his aligment).
A3- He flips widowmaker but not cop: We don't know if Vere is scum but we are sure Eze is lying so he should be lynched.
A4- He flips neither cop nor widowmaker: This is the worst scenario as we gain nothing. I think it's the least possible because the only logic for this is that Ouro is bored and just shitposting.
B- He flips scum: Great, we got a scum!!! We gain nothing on Vere as he could be of any aligment. If Ouro flips WM then Eze is lying and he should be lynched, if the doesn't Eze is really the WM but we still don't know his aligment.
C- He flips neutral: That means we stopped Ouro from fulfilling his winning condition. We don't know anything about Vere and can confirm is Eze is really the WM or not (aligment pending)
3) We lynch Eze:
A- He flips town: This doesn't really tell us much about anything. Vere could be scum or not. We could know if Ouro is lying about the role name but we don't know if he is a cop or not, and he could be either scum, cop or neutral.
B- He flips scum: Great, one scum less!!! We still don't know about Vere, he could be either one. We still don't know about Ouro except if he is lying about his role name.
Maybe I'm missing something so if anyone could help it would be great.
I think our best option here would be lynching Ouro. It would gives us more info that the other 2. The only problem would it be if the really is the cop but as he roleclaimed D2 and will be a mayor scum target this night phase I think he doesn't really care for the one scum for a cop situation.
VOTE: Ourobolus
1) We lynch Vere:
A- He flips town: That means that Ouro lied to us. I don't think he can be scum as it is a ridiculous plan with nothing to gain so could be a neutral lyncher who targers Vere. If this is the case he accomplish his mission and wins, so he is out of the game too. That means that Eze didn't lie about his role and he is the widowmaker (it means nothing about his aligment). Or Ouro is town who have a beef against Vere and he should be lynched by stupidity.
B- He flips scum: We lynch a scum, which it's great. Ouro can really be a cop, another scum throwing Vere under the bus for credibility or a neutral. Either way he must be still under the light because of the role thing. Now we would have both Ouro and Eze with the same role name. We could lynch either one of them to get things straight.
2) We lynch Ouro:
A- He flips town: There are several possibilities here:
A1- He flips cop and widowmaker: Vere is really scum and Eze was lying so we should lynch both.
A2- He flips cop but not widowmaker: Vere is really scum and Eze was right about is role (we still don't know his aligment).
A3- He flips widowmaker but not cop: We don't know if Vere is scum but we are sure Eze is lying so he should be lynched.
A4- He flips neither cop nor widowmaker: This is the worst scenario as we gain nothing. I think it's the least possible because the only logic for this is that Ouro is bored and just shitposting.
B- He flips scum: Great, we got a scum!!! We gain nothing on Vere as he could be of any aligment. If Ouro flips WM then Eze is lying and he should be lynched, if the doesn't Eze is really the WM but we still don't know his aligment.
C- He flips neutral: That means we stopped Ouro from fulfilling his winning condition. We don't know anything about Vere and can confirm is Eze is really the WM or not (aligment pending)
3) We lynch Eze:
A- He flips town: This doesn't really tell us much about anything. Vere could be scum or not. We could know if Ouro is lying about the role name but we don't know if he is a cop or not, and he could be either scum, cop or neutral.
B- He flips scum: Great, one scum less!!! We still don't know about Vere, he could be either one. We still don't know about Ouro except if he is lying about his role name.
Maybe I'm missing something so if anyone could help it would be great.
I think our best option here would be lynching Ouro. It would gives us more info that the other 2. The only problem would it be if the really is the cop but as he roleclaimed D2 and will be a mayor scum target this night phase I think he doesn't really care for the one scum for a cop situation.
VOTE: Ourobolus
Hmm? I asked Ezekel those questions under the mistaken assumption he was claiming cop as well, which he clarified later.
If Vere flips scum today, I assume Ouro might be protected by some protective powers on n2. That doesn't count out a scum strongman or scum roleblocker, but it would be something?
Because he got angry with Vere for trying to lynch him when he couldn't defend. He could have a grudge against him and he is using this way to get him out. So he should be lynched just for being stupid (It's nothing personal Ouro, I really like you!!).
That would make ouro the dumbest scum who ever lived. Or dumbest town.
EzekelRAGE
Member
If he IS a town cop, he has no reason to lie about his character.
Did princess mafia have a known pool of princesses? Or did Darryl just randomly say a princess hoping she wasn't in the game and you just happen to have her?
I am disproving it.
Saying "nuh-uh" isn't disproving anything.
I will say something about this which I haven't said yet. I really think there is strongman because my role PM said that my power would not be useful against a strong player so the possibility of one being in this game is big. (I'm not a medic).
What I don't know is why it isn't any mention in Yneek PM, maybe he is not affected by this.
dat betrayal
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
AB is still scum, by the way.
It's nothing personal, just bussines.
The metapod battle is real.
If you like I could fake claim something if it'll make you happy. I'll stick with my real role for now though.
Ironically I would indeed be happier if this were a fake claim.
Things would make sense then.
I'm McCree
It's all relative
AbsolutBro
Member
Ah. Like I said, I flagged those posts, started to respond and then came back later.
Assuming you are telling the truth, I have no idea why Ouro felt the need to lie about his character.
Assuming Ouro is telling the truth, I have no idea why you chose to try to claim his.
Basically, in a game where we know that there are 22 players and 22 OW characters, to lie about one's OW character requires abject stupidity, or a damn good reason. I am really not sure which is at play here.
Princesses had the pool of Disney Princesses. Scum were given a list of safe claims, but darryl tried to build off someone else's claim of Tinkerbell. Unfortunately for him, there was an actual Wendy. I still almost died trying to prove that darryl was lying. I suspect that might happen here with you, but it still makes no sense to me that Ouro would lie about his role or character. It also makes no sense to me that someone would try to call them on being the OW character unless they were that character.
Work. I said I'd be working every day this phase at the start of the day and today was way too busy for me to keep up.
I didn't want to bring it so close to a turbo with people still talking. Now we're 4 away from a turbo \o/
VOTE: Verelios
Discussion hasn't really progressed that much it seems. I don't really see why we should be so wary of lynching Verelios. Lynching Ouro has a much bigger potential downside and Verelios is way scummier.
I.. sort of refuse to believe the widowmaker claim internally. Disney was brought up, but the silly thing there was scum not using one of their fake claims. In this game we have a 1-to-1 relationship between players and characters so any fake claim could be challenged. Ezekel counterclaiming someone else's role only makes sense if Verelios is some important scum role. Still doesn't make sense, but Verelios' flip helps us with that. For Ouro it'd sort of make sense as a neutral who somehow needs to know who the widowmaker, which... doesn't make sense because he seems much more focused on Verelios.
I'm too tired for this shit -_-
It could just be a weird gambit like ouro needing to keep his role secret. The biggest downside is Ouro as a lyncher and we're wasting our time with town/neutral Verelios, but even then it'd be better to get over it and start scum hunting again.
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I peeked Haly and they were town.
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If I were to vote for someone outside of the, eh, triangle? Still Splinter, but I liked his posts today. Maybe Burb or WAMD.
The way I see this is that we have 2 situations: The cop finding a scum and we have 2 players claiming the same role name. If we lynch either Vere or Eze we solve only one situation with the other still pending. If we lynch Ouro we solve the 2: we know if Ouro is the cop and who is lying with the roleclaim.
The thing that bugs me most from Ouro's claim is if he really is the cop why would he lie about his rolename. If Eze is scum what he did is pretty dangerous, reveling 2 scum (Vere and him) at the 2nd day phase is a huge loss for the mafia.
Right now I think the most logical explanation I can think is one that someone gave before (don't remember who, I would need to check): Ouro is a neutral and he has to kill WM, he made that bold claim of being the WM and a cop because he knew the WM will come forward to counter his argument and Eze felt for it. I'm thinking he must have a one shot NK which he must use to kill the WM to win the game.
Either that or either Ouro or Eze are crazy.
The thing that bugs me most from Ouro's claim is if he really is the cop why would he lie about his rolename. If Eze is scum what he did is pretty dangerous, reveling 2 scum (Vere and him) at the 2nd day phase is a huge loss for the mafia.
Right now I think the most logical explanation I can think is one that someone gave before (don't remember who, I would need to check): Ouro is a neutral and he has to kill WM, he made that bold claim of being the WM and a cop because he knew the WM will come forward to counter his argument and Eze felt for it. I'm thinking he must have a one shot NK which he must use to kill the WM to win the game.
Either that or either Ouro or Eze are crazy.
If you're worried about that, someone protect or switch Zeke tonight.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Yea I know I was one of the ones to mention it.
Yep.
Let me guess, strong kill or something so you can bypass all of that?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Forums are messin up again but wasn't it Ouro who mentioned that a strong kill would be able to go thru anything unless the target is a commuter?
I'm a cop, so...no.
I did. A quick read of the mafiascum wiki would tell you the same thing - I use it as a reference when planning my games. And it makes sense, since if you commute, you aren't there to be strong-killed. A switch would be the same result - only the other, switched player would get killed. Why would I suggest switching you if I was a strongman?
Cherry Bomb
Neo Member
Ok, I'm mostly caught up and I can see 2wo sides to this issue (ง ̀_́
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On the 1ne hand, 0uro seems h311a suspicious. 1st he claims a role that apparently Zeke has, then (j0ke?)claims one that's already dead. I dunno why he'd do this buuuut it is tr00 that he might've been trying to b8t the real Widowmaker (in which case Zeke fell right in2 his trap) (;*△*
In the end, I think it comes down to 0uro vs. Zeke. It's possible 0uro knows that Widow is a baddie and used that info to bait out a confession, in which case we should lynch Zeke. 0n the 0ther hand, 0uro could just be a lyncher out to kill Widow in which case we should frag him before he can do anything shady (telling people to specifically target Zeke tonight does s33m pretty 'spish tbh honest) 【・ヘ・?】
I think 4 now I'm going 2
Vote: Ourobolus
but I'm k33pin' meye eye on you, Zeke! (/(°∞°)\)
งOn the 1ne hand, 0uro seems h311a suspicious. 1st he claims a role that apparently Zeke has, then (j0ke?)claims one that's already dead. I dunno why he'd do this buuuut it is tr00 that he might've been trying to b8t the real Widowmaker (in which case Zeke fell right in2 his trap) (;*△*
In the end, I think it comes down to 0uro vs. Zeke. It's possible 0uro knows that Widow is a baddie and used that info to bait out a confession, in which case we should lynch Zeke. 0n the 0ther hand, 0uro could just be a lyncher out to kill Widow in which case we should frag him before he can do anything shady (telling people to specifically target Zeke tonight does s33m pretty 'spish tbh honest) 【・ヘ・?】
I think 4 now I'm going 2
Vote: Ourobolus
but I'm k33pin' meye eye on you, Zeke! (/(°∞°)\)