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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload

cabot

Member
Haly, I actually bought AB's avoidance of self preservation as a pro-town thing, especially on Day 1 when the whole mass name claim chain was being discussed at the same time.


AB saying outright he wouldn't name/role claim to stop that from happening is a good move.

The lack of protecting himself through voting is odd I'll give you that. Still not seeing it as scummy.
 

nin1000

Banned
nin's claim sort of went relatively under the radar yesterday, though it was there and brought up a few times, scum couldn't have missed it. What do you think? did scum go for Ouro alone?


I am pretty strongly in favour of scum tried to kill 2 people last night and only got the one kill. The Town RB was lynched, it's unlikely there are two blockers on one team, and even if so the chances of hitting Ezekel on n1?


Question is who was that second target? Nin and Ouro?

Anyone willing to offer some thoughts here

the thing is. Eze had to load his kill for one night. i am unsure if he activated it on N1 in order to do a kill in N2. But if we believe that he did indeed activate it on N1 in order to do the kill on N2, we still dont know if he gets to do the kill.

I think that i had a higher preference over him.

I killed him before he could do the kill. Thats why there was only one mafia kill last night.

just my 2 cents.
 

cabot

Member
Considering his power wasn't a one shot, I don't know why he wouldn't charge up on N1.

The rest of it is getting into orders of actions, which is not going to be definitively answered. This will probably go nowhere.
 

franconp

Member
nin's claim sort of went relatively under the radar yesterday, though it was there and brought up a few times, scum couldn't have missed it. What do you think? did scum go for Ouro alone?


I am pretty strongly in favour of scum tried to kill 2 people last night and only got the one kill. The Town RB was lynched, it's unlikely there are two blockers on one team, and even if so the chances of hitting Ezekel on n1?


Question is who was that second target? Nin and Ouro?

Anyone willing to offer some thoughts here

Zeke's power make it seems that there should be second kill, but it looks that it was blocked. As for the second blocker Ouro was one. The power that he had allowed him to protect someone. Maybe he protected someone last night. It's weird that he didn't protected himself.

As Nin he claimed having 3 one-shot abilities. He already used the one which could lead to find scum. The NK is more of a gamble as he has to use it by gut feelings alone. I don't remember if he said that the 3rd one was a healer, but it also would be a gamble as he has to target the same night that mafia. I don't know if it would be wise to target him after using his investigative power. Maybe Ouro protected him?
 

nin1000

Banned
Zeke's power make it seems that there should be second kill, but it looks that it was blocked. As for the second blocker Ouro was one. The power that he had allowed him to protect someone. Maybe he protected someone last night. It's weird that he didn't protected himself.

As Nin he claimed having 3 one-shot abilities. He already used the one which could lead to find scum. The NK is more of a gamble as he has to use it by gut feelings alone. I don't remember if he said that the 3rd one was a healer, but it also would be a gamble as he has to target the same night that mafia. I don't know if it would be wise to target him after using his investigative power. Maybe Ouro protected him?

i just today revealed the healing powers. Since ouros claim to be a cop was very convincing, i think they went for him instead for me who was under the radar. But yes i could have been protected last night. I am very sure that i wont survive the next night since i cannot use the healing power on myself : /
 

cabot

Member
i just today revealed the healing powers. Since ouros claim to be a cop was very convincing, i think they went for him instead for me who was under the radar. But yes i could have been protected last night. I am very sure that i wont survive the next night since i cannot use the healing power on myself : /

It's possible, but killing you could confirm me as town, which at D4 is pretty dangerous for scum.
 

franconp

Member
Let's see how this work:

- Ouro used his power the first night on him.
- Mafia targets Ouro the first night but it wasn't a NK because of the bulletproof.
- Ouro knows that he lost his shield so he was targeted the first night.
- Ouro goes after Vere because he was the one who tried to lynch him the first day so maybe he is scum.
- Ouro can't protect himself the second night anymore so he targets someone else (maybe NIN or another).

It would explain the first night no kill and Ouro going so strong against Vere. And it may explain why there wasn't a second kill the second night if Ouro is really lucky.
 

nin1000

Banned
Let's see how this work:

- Ouro used his power the first night on him.
- Mafia targets Ouro the first night but it wasn't a NK because of the bulletproof.
- Ouro knows that he lost his shield so he was targeted the first night.
- Ouro goes after Vere because he was the one who tried to lynch him the first day so maybe he is scum.
- Ouro can't protect himself the second night anymore so he targets someone else (maybe NIN or another).

It would explain the first night no kill and Ouro going so strong against Vere. And it may explain why there wasn't a second kill the second night if Ouro is really lucky.

- Nin kills ezekel who wanted to do a kill. Therefore there is only 1 kill
 

cabot

Member
Alright, let's pass the parcel around shall we?


Top scum from everyone remaining in the game.

nin has lover-boy, fran?

I am still set for Cherry Bomb today.
 

franconp

Member
- Nin kills ezekel who wanted to do a kill. Therefore there is only 1 kill

How would it work? Why would your kill be faster than Eze's? I don't think so.

Alright, let's pass the parcel around shall we?


Top scum from everyone remaining in the game.

nin has lover-boy, fran?

I am still set for Cherry Bomb today.

Top scum: Stanley.

I didn't thought about there being a lover. I'm not too fond of the idea.

And I think going after Cherry Bomb is not such a great move now. It feels to safe. She only had 1 post when people began going after her. So scum could easily vote for her as it's the safer move. I'm willing to give her another day.
 

cabot

Member
How would it work? Why would your kill be faster than Eze's? I don't think so.



Top scum: Stanley.

I didn't thought about there being a lover. I'm not too fond of the idea.

And I think going after Cherry Bomb is not such a great move now. It feels to safe. She only had 1 post when people began going after her. So scum could easily vote for her as it's the safer move. I'm willing to give her another day.

By lover I meant Splinter, I guess I should just call him by name.

So formal.


As for Cherry, i gut read Kyan as scum, she didn't really do much to help. We'll see how the day goes.
 

nin1000

Banned
How would it work? Why would your kill be faster than Eze's? I don't think so.

how do you know ?

it is a viable theory. But we could keep argueing about it for the rest of the day without a result since we dont know who has which priority.

i mean you are the one who likes to make up theories but shut down mine because you dont think so ? come on Fran.
 

franconp

Member
how do you know ?

it is a viable theory. But we could keep argueing about it for the rest of the day without a result since we dont know who has which priority.

i mean you are the one who likes to make up theories but shut down mine because you dont think so ? come on Fran.

One thing is to discuss theories (which can be flawed) and another is to discuss game mechanics. I just don't see why, as a game mechanic, one kill would be faster than the other.

Changing the subject, did you share with us your rolename yet? I don't remember and I'm on mobile now.
 
I was only looking at voting patterns, not explanations.


It isn't the "not switching to EzekelRage" that I have a problem with.

First count.


Second count.

It's one thing to not vote for Ezekel but you actually pushed yourself ahead of Ezekel by switching off him. Unless you were extremely sure of Ynnek (and who could be, D1, except our Lord and Saviour ouroloborolo?)


I'm going to show the progression of posts after you conspicuously (though not at the time) subjected yourself to risk of a lynch.
(no comment on how you're putting yourself at risk to save Ezekel)

(Verelios creates Mazre/AbsolutBro/Ynnek three-way tie)

You point out the tie, but make no attempt to break it. You could've voted Ezekel defensively, shifting the tie to Ezekel/Mazre/AbsolutBro. Who would question you? Ezekel was voting you after all. It would've made sense. Or you could've voted Mazre, pushing him ahead, and saving yourself. Again, you can't be faulted for self preservation.



Ty4on breaks the tie.


Ynnek defends himself, retying it.


Sophia breaks the tie again, putting Ynnek in lead.


WAMD and melon are "cleared" under the assumption that you're scum. If you turn out to be town, then they would no longer be clear. In fact, I would begin to suspect them.

I thought you were being primed by scum as an alternative to Ezekel, to save his own skin. Ezekel would've needed collaborators, so I started to look at melon and WAMD. But when I viewed the counts over time, your lack of self preservation disturbed me, so I then switched my focus to you.
I am typing this on my tablet, so apologies for not being able to format and for typos.

Your vote progression is off though.

Post #1018 Sorian posts the most recent votes:
EzekelRage (4) - Barry, Ouro, Fran, myself
Mazre (3) - Xam, Haly, Stan
Ynnek (2) - cabot, nin
Absolutbro(1) - Burb

Post #1027 *Splinter votes Mazre
Ez (4) - Barry, Ouro, Fran, Myself
Mazre (4) - Xam, Haly, Stan, *Splinter
Ynnek (2) - cabot, nin
Absolutbro(1) - burb

Post #1029 WAMD votes for me
Post #1036 Ez votes for me
Ez (4) - Barry, Ouro, Fran, myself
Mazre (4) - Xam, Haly, Stan, *Splinter
Ynnek (2) - cabot, nin
Absolutbro(3) - burb, WAMD, Ez

Post #1042 I unvote
Post #1046 I vote for Ynnek, citing a three way tie
Mazre (4) - Xam, Haly, Stan, *Splinter
Ez (3) - Barry, Ouro, Fran
Ynnek (3) - cabot, nin, myself
Absolutbro (3) - burb, WAMD, Ez


At no point did I put myself ahead of Ez. I admit, I did not at the time realize Mazre had as many votes as he did. I thought I had created a three way tie for the vote lead on Ez, Ynnek and myself. Not much later melonrabbit votes and I realize I am now tied with Mazre for the lead at 4. Which is when I make my "not role caiming" post. I have seen too often how last minute role claims play to scum by throwing votes all over the place.

Post #1079 is where Vere creates another three way tie by voting Ynnek and putting Mazre, Ez and myself at 4.

From there Ty4on puts Ynnek into the lead, Ynnek self-defense votes for me (funnily enough, post #1095 entions breaking a tie Ynnek is a part of, but actually CREATES another tie), which sophia breaks in post #1098 by voting Ynnek. From there, Xam gets a final vote to push the vote up by 2 rather than 1 to stop a last minute tie.

Honestly looking back over it, I am suddenly suspicious of my fellow vote leaders. Ez we know was scum. Mazre is town read a lot, but I could see scum jumping onto the ynnek vote (keep in mind I was vote 3, there was no "train" then) to try to save a bad split of scum/scum in the top few options. I also find it strange that the entire time Mazre's butt is on the line it is complete radio silence on Mazre's part. Not one post. It is possible, however, that I missed a post where he explained his absence. I only went back a couple pages.

Ynnek we know was town. I am town, though obviously I have no way to prove it definitively. I do agree that there is probably a second scum in the Ynnek beyond Ez. But I can guarantee you it is not me.
 

cabot

Member
Waking up thoughts.... Where is splinter?

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Splinter, r u ok?

21 roles + a cop -> i.e. 21 non-cop roles; You are a scholar and a gentleman.
22 non-cop roles; BURN THE HERETIC!

Also since Zeke isn't here to do it anymore

The best thing about Night 2's revelations?

No cop dream is still alive.

Crazy play Ouro, especially that WM double-down. Guessing he didn't think he could sell Torb as a cop and was just hoping that WM was a scum role.

Anything else to add aside from gloating about the no cop dream still being alive?

Maybe some analysis of the coloured voting chart you posted?
 
1) Haly [m] - null
2) Xamtheking [m] - are you in this game?
3) Burbeting [m] - lean town
4) Mazre [m] - null
5) franconp [m] - scum
6) AbsolutBro [m] - leaning scum
7) cabot [m] - town
10) Bronx-Man [m] - town, despite everything
11) Sophia [f] - worried about, like to believe town tho
12) WhereAreMahDragonz [f] - townlike
13) Ty4on [m] - leaning scum, too friendly
14) Kingkitty [m] - town
15) *Splinter [m] - neutral
16) Cherry Bomb [m] - null
17) nin1000 [m] - townish I guess
18) StanleyPalmtree [m] - town
22) Barrylocke [m] - lean town
 

Sophia

Member
Alright, let's pass the parcel around shall we?


Top scum from everyone remaining in the game.

nin has lover-boy, fran?

I am still set for Cherry Bomb today.

Quick reads off the top of my head. Just woke up, gonna be looking over stuff.

  • Haly - Voting pattern is against them.
  • Xamtheking - echoing Melon, seems really detached from the game.
  • Burbeting - leaning town; being helpful; engaged in conversation
  • Mazre - ??? (I don't actually have a strong read on him.)
  • franconp - Roleclaim was weird, but not sure why scum!fran would roleclaim like that. Also Ezekels' 180 gives a slight town read.
  • AbsolutBro - Unsure of. Ezekel did fake vote him in D1, but I'm not certain what to take of that.
  • cabot - Nin claims you're town. No reason to doubt this as of now.
  • Bronx-Man - Thought process is very out there. Not sure what to think.
  • Sophia - The towniest
  • WhereAreMahDragonz - Her presence feels limited, doesn't give me good feelings, need to re-read
  • Ty4on - Uncertin, need to re-read
  • Kingkitty - Uncertain, but just posted reads.
  • *Splinter - ???
  • Cherry Bomb - Day 2 vote was kind of awful; also she replaced Kyan so that's never a good thing.
  • nin1000 - No reason to assume he's anything other than town right now
  • StanleyPalmtree - Hard read, uncertain
  • melonrabbit - Very active in the conversation; leaning slightly town but not too sure yet?
  • Barrylocke - Been a part of the conversation, but surprisingly don't have much of a read of him. Doesn't give me a good feeling.
 

Ty4on

Member
Do you not have any thoughts on Cherry, melon? I don't really buy her explanation for voting Ouro and ignoring Verelios. An Ouro lynch was within the realms of possibilities yesterday and would have been really useful for scum.

VOTE: Cherry Bomb


Right now the two I'm leaning scum on are Splinter and Sophia for being passive against scum.
Splinter's D1 actions look way worse after the two scum flips. He doesn't just town read them, he also seems to want to move discussion away from them.
VOTE: Xamtheking

Of the other candidates, I'm not feeling a Zeke, Bronx or Stan lynch.

I'm pretty much null on Mazre and AB, null enough to not be against lynching them. You could maybe add Barry to this as well.

Nin I was townreading earlier, but now I'm less sure.

Ty I haven't changed opinion on (still lean scum) but it's not strong enough for a D1 lynch. Also still uneasy about Burb although that's even weaker.

Ouro... I like his posts, but then I dont like his lynch targets. We were both on Ty for a bit, but Ouro seemed much more keen on actually lynching him. He's now on Verelios which I definitely disagree with.

I wrote most of this a couple of hours ago, now I see Fran becoming a potential lynch target? Not down with that at all, he's one of my clearest town reads. I think he's barking up the wrong tree with his "peeking is a grand scum conspiracy" stuff but it's an argument I've seen before, so not scummy. The rest of his stuff reads as town to me.
Notice how Verelios is just a short mention.
VOTE: Mazre

From the top three, I trust Zeke more than the other two. I don't have much of a read on Mazre or Ynnek, but Ynnek did say he'd be somewhat unavailable.

I said I was against Zeke last time I read the thread. This is the first time I'm catching up since then.

You're right to some extent though. I don't have strong reads on anyone, lean town on Zeke, null on the other options. I even considered voting Zeke just because it seems more informative, but I'll stick with Mazre for now.

His Xam vote came before Ezekel climbed to be the vote leader.

D2 look much better at a glance. He probably knew Ezekel was the widowmaker, but voted for Verelios straight away.
Yes

VOTE: Verelios

Alright peace
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PR party at Ouro's tonight.
Gotta look more at the pushback towards Ouro, but he was the first to vote Ouro after Ezekel. Would have been much more scummy if he was the second or third latching onto misguided townies.

Reading through D2 I really don't like how Sophia took such a neutral stance. She leaves the door open both ways, look like you scum read Verelios after he flips and look like you aren't trusting Ouro should the lynch move that way.
Hmm.... this is tough.

I want to see Verelios lynched first simply because Ezekel is trying to push so hard for lynching Ouro first.

Yet at the same time, the description of Ouro's ability seems off slightly. Although it's not implausible that Widowmaker could be a cop. Hmm..


I wish I had a good read of AB and fanconp. They haven't really stuck out that much for me because their tone has generally been good and they seem solvey about the game. Franconp's flip on Ouro was weird, but he didn't seem worried about the outcome if Verelios flipped scum. AB I go back and forth on. Great tone, seems to believe what he says and doesn't hide his suspicions of Ouro, but scum might have been scrambling a bit looking at Ezekel's claim and this post kinda reads like someone who knew Ezekel was the widowmaker.
Assuming you are telling the truth, I have no idea why Ouro felt the need to lie about his character.
Assuming Ouro is telling the truth, I have no idea why you chose to try to claim his.

Basically, in a game where we know that there are 22 players and 22 OW characters, to lie about one's OW character requires abject stupidity, or a damn good reason. I am really not sure which is at play here.

Princesses had the pool of Disney Princesses. Scum were given a list of safe claims, but darryl tried to build off someone else's claim of Tinkerbell. Unfortunately for him, there was an actual Wendy. I still almost died trying to prove that darryl was lying. I suspect that might happen here with you, but it still makes no sense to me that Ouro would lie about his role or character. It also makes no sense to me that someone would try to call them on being the OW character unless they were that character.
 
I wish I had a good read of AB and fanconp. They haven't really stuck out that much for me because their tone has generally been good and they seem solvey about the game. <snipped Fran stuff>

AB I go back and forth on. Great tone, seems to believe what he says and doesn't hide his suspicions of Ouro, but scum might have been scrambling a bit looking at Ezekel's claim and this post kinda reads like someone who knew Ezekel was the widowmaker.

Will post reads when I am back at my pc/tablet. On my phone now, but just to be clear I suspected Ez was Widowmaker purely because he counterclaimed the name and in one of Ouro's later posts he backed away from being Widowmaker (but not the cop).

As I said several times, my having been in that almost exact situation gave me some sympathy for what Ez was dealing with. It wasn't enough to make me vote Ouro, but still. That's just a facet of it being a cosplay game. That and the "person you are calling out wouldn't be so dumb!" posts, because they carry the unspoken "but you apparently would be!" It nearly got me killed in Princesses.
 
Do you not have any thoughts on Cherry, melon? I don't really buy her explanation for voting Ouro and ignoring Verelios. An Ouro lynch was within the realms of possibilities yesterday and would have been really useful for scum.

VOTE: Cherry Bomb

Very null. I've never played with her before. I do nred to get a better read on her. Not sure if she is the best vote today. I think I prefer going with a Splinter lynch.

But I will add that her long waited explaination today left a lot to be desired.
 

Ty4on

Member
Very null. I've never played with her before. I do nred to get a better read on her. Not sure if she is the best vote today. I think I prefer going with a Splinter lynch.

But I will add that her long waited explaination today left a lot to be desired.

Why aren't you putting a vote down for Splinter?
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
The lack of protecting himself through voting is odd I'll give you that. Still not seeing it as scummy.

I am typing this on my tablet, so apologies for not being able to format and for typos.
Hrm. Well if AB is off the table then I have to bring up Sophia and Ty4on as suspects as far as the Ynnek push is concerned. There's also WAMD and Melon on the AB vote. I need to go over things again I guess.
 
I have to use the .net site, so I can't single out a user's posts. These are rough reads based on skimming/scanning, so my reads may jump around a bit.

01) Haly [m] - leaning scum. During D2 he was up in the air re: Vere/Ez/Ouro. In fact pushing for Ouro to be lynched first to prove his claim (post #1597); if Haly is scum he would know that Ouro would flip neither cop nor Widowmaker.
02) Xamtheking [m] - leaning town. He was reasonably skeptical of Ouro, has a bunch of posts with probing questions and generally actively hunts scum.
03) Burbeting [m] - burb is hard for me to read. I cannot honestly remember if I have been in a game with scumBurb, that is how hard it is for me to read burb. I'm leaning town for numerous useful posts, but hoenstly I cannot tell.
04) Mazre [m] - I find the event surrounding D1's vote interesting. There were several ties, during which I am sure scum tried to move things the way they wanted. BUT post #1554, despite offering an "out there" theory, still wants to vote Vere.
05) franconp [m] - lean town. I find the convoluted reasoning for the no NK N1 suspect (the reasoning, not fran), but overall I think fran has been willing to explain out the logic behind his votes fairly evenly.
07) cabot [m] - Town via nin1000's PR.
10) Bronx-Man [m] - kind of a null read.
11) Sophia [f] - slight scum. Many noncommital posts. I cannot tell if some of her posts include genuine mistakes, or just attempts to cast doubt on other posters.
12) WhereAreMahDragonz [f] - Despite WAMD focusing on me, and despite multiple posts that fish for roles or power descriptions, I still get the feeling WAMD is town. Or really, REALLY brazen scum. Probably town.
13) Ty4on [m] - Leaning town. Finding inconcsistencies, good posts and such. I will give Ty4on a more thorough read when I can search.
14) Kingkitty [m] (formerly TheGoddamn)
15) *Splinter [m] - his fall from the radar feels sketchy scummy to me. I said on D1 that he was just kind of coasting behind cabot, and there was a D2 surge in his own thoughts, but they were mostly behind Ez (which in and of itself is not scummy, since I had similar posts). In #1027 he does comment at trusting Ez more than Mazre or Ynnek. To be fair, Mazre had (and has) been fairly quiet, but given that there was a conflict between Ez and Ouro at the time, I find it strange he would be trusted more than the other two. He kind of waffles in #1034, but it could just as easily be read as "trusting zeke only barely while not trusting the others".
16) CherryBomb [f] (formerly Kyanrute) - sketchy town to light scum. CherryBomb had a rough go, having to come in late in a heated fight, replacing someone that was already being scumread. Her posts since haven't given me great town feelings, but I cannot be sure of that is scum leaking through or just the effects of coming in late. (Been there too.)
17) nin1000 [m] - Town
18) StanleyPalmtree [m] - lowish direct activity with Stanley, but I'm still leaning town. Nothing has directly jumped out as scum.
20) melonrabbit [f] - Town, or the luckiest scum ever.
22) Barrylocke [m] - See StanelyPalmtree. I lean town on Barry, but really without being able to search nothing jumps out either way.
 
I have to use the .net site, so I can't single out a user's posts. These are rough reads based on skimming/scanning, so my reads may jump around a bit.

02) Xamtheking [m] - leaning town. He was reasonably skeptical of Ouro, has a bunch of posts with probing questions and generally actively hunts scum.

Huh? Are you sure about this?

Also, why I am lucky?
 
Huh? Are you sure about this?

Also, why I am lucky?
Er, honestly with a quick read I was. But now I am doubting myself.

As for lucky, you would only be lucky if you were scum. Because it would require a rather extraordinary set of circumstances for me to think you town if you were scum. For what should be obvious reasons, I will avoid going into any real detail.
 

nin1000

Banned
Sorry for not being as vocal as I want to be but I am currently sick. :(

I want to hear from splinter before I put my vote down on him.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I voted Ouro over Verelios because at the time I was convinced Ouro was neutral. I was ready to vote Verelios after Ouro's flip regardless, though there's no way to prove that. When I challenged him to prove his town-ness by sacrificing himself, and he agreed but didn't push it, I had to call him out on his bluff.

That is, at the time I thought he was either:

1) Actually a cop or some informative role that caught verelios
2) A neutral using cop as a cover

I never, in my wildest dreams, would have guessed he was a town armorer making an obscene bluff on a total hunch.
 
Just did a read over you, and I'm curious to see your reads regarding AB. He was for lynching Zeke in Day 1 But you voted against him, claiming it felt like it an easy lynch on an inactive player.

However in Day 2 you voted pretty much for Verelios and kept your vote there. Which would mean bussing your own teammate and potentially Zeke as well so...

On day one, I felt as though AB was the better target; his votes felt inconsistent and his vote jumped around quite a bit. I'm in class right now but later I will go over my vote. But that's basically it. I had a pretty good feeling Ynnek was town, and the focus one zeke felt, at the time, like AB trying to latch onto an inactive player just to justify a vote.

On day two, I trusted Ouro's claim more than Zeke, and decided to go with Verelios over Zeke. Initially, I thought that there was no way Zeke would be that obvious about protecting a scum buddy, and I felt that Verelios' lynch, who the "cop" had claimed to be scum was more sure. If he had flipped town, I would be voting Ouro today. And if Zeke had lived, I would have voted for him.

AB is one of the few that consistently give me scum vibes. Hence my focus on him.
 

Sophia

Member
I voted Ouro over Verelios because at the time I was convinced Ouro was neutral. I was ready to vote Verelios after Ouro's flip regardless, though there's no way to prove that. When I challenged him to prove his town-ness by sacrificing himself, and he agreed but didn't push it, I had to call him out on his bluff.

That is, at the time I thought he was either:

1) Actually a cop or some informative role that caught verelios
2) A neutral using cop as a cover

I never, in my wildest dreams, would have guessed he was a town armorer making an obscene bluff on a total hunch.

What exactly convinced you that Ouro was neutral?

On day one, I felt as though AB was the better target; his votes felt inconsistent and his vote jumped around quite a bit. I'm in class right now but later I will go over my vote. But that's basically it. I had a pretty good feeling Ynnek was town, and the focus one zeke felt, at the time, like AB trying to latch onto an inactive player just to justify a vote.

On day two, I trusted Ouro's claim more than Zeke, and decided to go with Verelios over Zeke. Initially, I thought that there was no way Zeke would be that obvious about protecting a scum buddy, and I felt that Verelios' lynch, who the "cop" had claimed to be scum was more sure. If he had flipped town, I would be voting Ouro today. And if Zeke had lived, I would have voted for him.

AB is one of the few that consistently give me scum vibes. Hence my focus on him.

Hmm... you still think AB is scum, huh? Either way, I do get slight townie vibes from you.
 

Cherry Bomb

Neo Member
2) You have nin as a good guy as I guess you fully believe his claim, yet I'm not on the good guy list despite nin clearing me? What's up with that, sunshine?

I actually somehow totally missed this between trying to keep up with the ongoing game and catching up on 31 pages of backlog so that's totes my b, b. S0rr-E! ^_^;;

That said, I do think it's h311a lamesauce that most people seem to be their vote on me on a combination of sins of the father and one bad vote I made upon my first day as a replacement while attempting to catalogue reads AND going through a backlog. I'd like better justifications moving forward cuz it'd be sooperdooper easy for baddies to just jump on the bandwagon at this point.
 

cabot

Member
Part of me feels I should let Cherry have a little more time considering she came in at a mad time and all that.


But my read of Kyan was strong.

I shall think on this

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