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Overwatch Mafia |OT| Keep Your Vote On The Payload
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His laser focus on Verelios coupled with Ezekel's counterclaim of WM. The last time I've seen a vendetta this blatant was, surprise, a lyncher. And at the time it worked.
Why did you habe uo in the game?
You are usually this game included one of the most vocal players out there, yet after the last day you just stopped playing. What happened ?
melonrabbit
Member
And boom:
That feeling that everything is slipping away and everyone is slowly turning against you?
Or that. Yeah.
Whatcha feeling about the game so far, Splinter? Thoughts?
How do you feel about this game so far?
Could you elaborate on your read of WAMD and have you gotten a better read of AB?
The way you posted yesterday made it seem like you had a decent idea of the game.
He seemed to focused IMO to be neutral or scum. I'm extrapolating from scum Ouro, but he always struck me as terrified of being caught. I thought neutral Ouro would play similarly and town read him for his play yesterday. People were posting theories left and right and none of them scared him.
To be perfectly honest, I don't have that strong of a read on who the remaining two scum team members might be.
For example, I can kind of see the progression that
Haly mentions here, but it doesn't seem very... indicative of alignment despite that?
I'm also a bit surprised that both Ezekel and Verelios turned out to be scum, but seeing that Ouro lied about his roleclaim it makes sense now. Knowing that Ezekel fell for Ouro's bluff I'm kind of wondering how the other remaining members of the scum team played their hand.
If he was a lyncher and fulfilled his victory condition, it wouldn't matter if he was "caught". Basically my thought process went:
Ouro claimed to be cop
Ezekel counterclaimed WM
Ouro is likely lying about some part of his role, no one would fake counterclaim in a game like this
What kind of role would he have where he wants Verelios dead at all costs to the point where he'd risk a counterclaim?
Lyncher
I think it would matter if he were lynched yesterday.
You didn't seem very happy for a townie who'd just gotten two scum killed by D3.
I kind of agree with the last post though. The bad counterattack by Ezekel seems to also indicate a scum team in disarray. They had an attack vector, but didn't know how to abuse it.
And when I proposed "would you mind being lynched first?", because a Lyncher can't fulfill his victory condition if they're not alive for the lynch he said:
This is exactly what I would've expected from a Lyncher. I thought it was a bluff and I was going to call him on it.
I don't know.
I find Fran's theory interesting. I think Vere's power would have been used N1 and we know the blocker was out of play already. When we hear from the doctor (not asking for a claim) it might be worth considering who was more likely to be targeted by scum. Fran - lynch Stan. Doctor's target - that person gets some town points.
I don't like AbsoluteBro at the moment. I feel like he's been defending himself all game, and his timely turbo makes me think he wanted some credit for the scum lynch.
Apart from that... I guess still Ty/Burb? I don't feel good about those reads though.
I've been trying to figure out Cherry Bomb. There's some things about the case against her I don't like: kyan was scumread for being kyan, and "Kyan is always scum" - I feel like this is getting too caught up in meta jokes and not actually a sensible way to read someone. Also she voted Ouro, this is being used against her but I can't decide if that makes sense. By the time she joined, wasn't town widely in favour of lynching Ouro? With Zeke already somewhat exposed, I'd expect the remaining scum to play it safe.
Given our current advantage, I'm not against lynching her "just in case". I'm not optimistic about her flipping scum though.
I haven't given up, I just don't have good reads at the moment.
ok, thanks
The biggest issue with Day 2 is that I couldn't see a logical outcome that made sense for all parties involved. Turns out, Ouro had gone for a risky gambit that I dismissed. So while I'm glad we got two scum out of the deal, especially thanks to Nin shooting Ezekel, I'm also having to rethink the approach the scum team was taking. Not helped by the fact that I was busy for most of Day 2 outside of the game.
I need to relook over the votes against Cherry Bomb... but uh... they feel a bit weak? Like a lot of people voted pretty quickly there without much to say on it. This includes one person I was previously town reading (Burb) due to their discussion.
At the same time...
Besides, if I were a baddie, why wouldn't I have done anything to steer things away from a teammate who had both a red check and was so close to being turbo'd? An 0uro lynch was extremely unlikely yesterday, but I placed my vote on him anyway bcuz he's who I felt strongest about at the time and that's all there is to it ¯\_(ツ_/¯
The logic here doesn't really make sense to me? If Cherry was scum... why wouldn't she have tried to steer thingsa way from a teammate? Even though she technically did just that despite voting for Ouro? Am I understanding this right?
melonrabbit
Member
We were on a break.
I just missed you is all.
I also agree with you on this Cherry business, if that helps any.
With only a day left, I'm putting my vote down for Haly. Compared to Splinter (who I also labeled as scum in my reads, but also conceded that it almost feels *too* obvious), Haly is comparatively more subtle and blendy, but still scummy in my mind. Therefore, I feel it's time for Haly to turn into gravy.
vote: Haly
vote: Haly
What do you mean by this?
Pot calling kettle?
Xamtheking
Member
More like pot full of water that is on fire
Wait
They knew Ouro wasn't the widowmaker.
Yeah it makes sens that way, although it doesn't really clear her either as it's easy for scum to say that.
Splinter, what do you think of Ty right now? I still need to go over his Day 2 stuff, but I can't place him.
I mean what makes you say they didn't use it.
calling kettle what? on the phone?
I didn't say that, I said they didn't know how to abuse it. Ezekel didn't manage to convince town to vote for Ouro.
Xamtheking
Member
please spare me the flame
I've been burned enough
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
it's just a gut read that hasn't gone away.
AbsolutBro
Member
I cannot speak to "inconsistent", but my vote was only ever in two places: EzekelRage and Ynnek. It never "jumped around quite a bit".
Just want to clear that up.
AbsolutBro
Member
I am sorry, I do not really understand this. "Would you mind being lynches first?" There are two options:
A. "Sure but go for x/y later" is apparently what you expect from a lyncher.
B. "No, I will not let you lynch me first to prove anything I say."
How is one more expected than the other? I suppose there is options C.: ignore the question, but that is generally more scumread than A or B.
Xamtheking
Member
I am of the opinion that Cherry is scumHmm... just a gut read huh?
Hey Xam, do you have an opinion on anything? Or are you just going to make snarky comments?
Her D2 post seems like she was trying to distance herself (I know she said it was just a quick run through, which is reasonable, but not mentioning Verelios, the hot topic, in any capacity seems suspect)
So you're saying she distanced herself by... voting Ouro, who was town? How is that distancing herself?
Xamtheking
Member
I mean distancing herself from anything related to Verelios in an attempt by scum to make sure everyone didn't go down with the ship
... again how does voting for Ouro do that?
B is the "I'm obviously a Lyncher!!!!"
A is the "I'm trying to hide my Lyncher ways"
A depended on his conviction to be lynched first, and I thought Ouro's was weak. I was going to town-read/neutral-read him based on how convincing his willingness to die first was.
Xamtheking
Member
The vote against Ouro is not 100% why I'm voting for Cherry
If it were, I would be following up on all the people who voted against Ouro
While I do find other people suspicious (like Splinter*), I'm more suspect against Cherry because she didn't even reference Verelios at all, unlike all the other Ouro voters
Hmm... what do you think, Fran? It is true that Cherry didn't mention Verelios at all.
Okay. Time to do Cherry Bomb analysis
Firstly: Kyan was being himself in the short time he played. This is not exactly helpful, since he has only played scum before this game, so his acting might be him just being him, or him being scum kyan.
Anyway, time to look at Cherry.
Day 2:
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220223209&postcount=1585 A short introductory post, nothing too special. Introduction to her role playing character as well, which I appreciate so that the tone in later posts won't become a surprise.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220249027&postcount=1700 I went through this post already before, and my thoughts haven't really changed. It's weird how Verelios is ignored. I should also point out, that the reasoning she has here to prefer Ourobolus lynch over Zeke lynch seems rather weak. Why was it suspicious for Ouro to tell people to target Zeke during the next night phase, again?
Day 3:
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220404437&postcount=1805 This post has bit of a fillery undertone to it. Cherry definitely implies that Ouro must have had a cop-related 1-shot power or cop somehow communicating with him. I'm unsure how likely those assumptions are.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220468217&postcount=2031 Here is Cherry defending herself. The lack of time argument I can see, so that's fine in my eyes. What does bother me is how she frames the whole "Ouro lynch was extremely unlikely yesterday!" I disagree here, at the time she put her vote on Ouro, it wasn't as clear cut as she made it out to be. There was lot of arguing back and forth between voting Verelios and Ouro, especially visible with me and *Splinter arguing about it. As for her reads, I'm rather confused about her putting WAMD as top town, as WAMD is definitely more of a null-read/flying under the radar type of player right now. It's also weird how Cherry mentions *Splinter as top scum candidate, yet does not even mention his D2 Zeke/Vere defence force act.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220540913&postcount=2098 This post feels defensive for me. "How dare you be suspicious me! I hope you have better reasons going forward!" I don't know if it's necessarily a scum-tell, though. A frustrate townie could easily say this.
Firstly: Kyan was being himself in the short time he played. This is not exactly helpful, since he has only played scum before this game, so his acting might be him just being him, or him being scum kyan.
Anyway, time to look at Cherry.
Day 2:
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220223209&postcount=1585 A short introductory post, nothing too special. Introduction to her role playing character as well, which I appreciate so that the tone in later posts won't become a surprise.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220249027&postcount=1700 I went through this post already before, and my thoughts haven't really changed. It's weird how Verelios is ignored. I should also point out, that the reasoning she has here to prefer Ourobolus lynch over Zeke lynch seems rather weak. Why was it suspicious for Ouro to tell people to target Zeke during the next night phase, again?
Day 3:
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220404437&postcount=1805 This post has bit of a fillery undertone to it. Cherry definitely implies that Ouro must have had a cop-related 1-shot power or cop somehow communicating with him. I'm unsure how likely those assumptions are.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220468217&postcount=2031 Here is Cherry defending herself. The lack of time argument I can see, so that's fine in my eyes. What does bother me is how she frames the whole "Ouro lynch was extremely unlikely yesterday!" I disagree here, at the time she put her vote on Ouro, it wasn't as clear cut as she made it out to be. There was lot of arguing back and forth between voting Verelios and Ouro, especially visible with me and *Splinter arguing about it. As for her reads, I'm rather confused about her putting WAMD as top town, as WAMD is definitely more of a null-read/flying under the radar type of player right now. It's also weird how Cherry mentions *Splinter as top scum candidate, yet does not even mention his D2 Zeke/Vere defence force act.
www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220540913&postcount=2098 This post feels defensive for me. "How dare you be suspicious me! I hope you have better reasons going forward!" I don't know if it's necessarily a scum-tell, though. A frustrate townie could easily say this.
Being honest I don't remember. Now I'm at work on mobile so if someone quotes the post I will reread.
I do find strange how quickly she got votes this day phase. To me it's like an easy kill. Kyan looked scummy(I said it in my first post the second day) but it was mostly because he didn't draw attention to himself. Cherry made just one post, so it's weird.
We are 2 town down vs 2 mafia down. Most likely we have taken half the mafia team. I think we should be bolder and not go for the easy lynch, the one that if it flips town gives no reads.