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Overwatch |OT10| That'll do pig, that'll do

Yeah on PC. If I played a lot of matches and go to my highlights they would have 1-2 sec the first time I played the clip but after that they would play instantly. Now every time I want to look at a highlight I have to wait 4 secs each and every time I play it. Even if it's the same highlight.



This sounds awful. I wouldn't even bother looking at my highlights if I had to wait this long.

Doesn't seem like anyone else has mention this same problem though. Might just be me.

I have never bothered, honestly. But my kids insist on showing me theirs, and I have a really strict rule against watching any video that takes longer to load than it does to play. Parenting is dark, and full of terrors.
 

Blues1990

Member
How have others handled this dilemma:

I'm around 2750 SR, and when I play alone I get around 27-35 per win and lose 15-20 per loss, suggesting that the system wants to push me higher.
My friends are around 2100 SR, and when I play with them I get maybe 15-20 points per win but lose 25-30 per loss. I'm not sure I wanna be the guy to tell his friends he can't play with them because of their low rank, but I do want to climb. And they're pretty much always online when I am.

What to do?

One alternative is to purchase another account and have that one for you and your pals, while your current one is for whatever you want to do.
 

HMD

Member
How have others handled this dilemma:

I'm around 2750 SR, and when I play alone I get around 27-35 per win and lose 15-20 per loss, suggesting that the system wants to push me higher.
My friends are around 2100 SR, and when I play with them I get maybe 15-20 points per win but lose 25-30 per loss. I'm not sure I wanna be the guy to tell his friends he can't play with them because of their low rank, but I do want to climb. And they're pretty much always online when I am.

What to do?

Stop one tricking. Play different heroes.
 

Banzai

Member
I have the opposite problem, but it might be what you need. When I try to group up with my Duo Q buddy, I get the "Player already changing groups" error 9 times out of 10, and I can't join his group. Maybe say you're getting that error, sorry, you'll be on tomorrow? I assume you're on PC, but if you're on console, you can just create a sub account.

One alternative is to purchase another account and have that one for you and your pals, while your current one is for whatever you want to do.

So my options are straight up lying or buying a second account. Or, you know, manning up and telling the truth.
I think I'll see how lying goes.

This sucks. I enjoy playing with them and they aren't horrible or anything. If only Quick Play wasn't such enormous trash.

Stop one tricking. Play different heroes.

What do you mean? I'm not a one trick at all. I don't think I've ever even played a single hero two matches in a row.

edit: okay, untrue. I do have days where Lucio is just too much fun to not play.
 
How have others handled this dilemma:

I'm around 2750 SR, and when I play alone I get around 27-35 per win and lose 15-20 per loss, suggesting that the system wants to push me higher.
My friends are around 2100 SR, and when I play with them I get maybe 15-20 points per win but lose 25-30 per loss. I'm not sure I wanna be the guy to tell his friends he can't play with them because of their low rank, but I do want to climb. And they're pretty much always online when I am.

What to do?

How many games have you played this season?
 

HMD

Member
How many games have you played this season?

That's right, did you play more than 50 games?

edit: nvm you already answered.

edit 2: If you aren't one tricking and if you already played your 50 first games then you must have a really high MMR and you simply don't belong in your current rank.
 

Banzai

Member
Yeah, that's what I was thinking it was. Anything over 30 SR for a win is pretty high.

I know. Admittedly, most games are a 27-30 SR gain, but when I get to pick Lucio on maps like Lijiang or Illios I get those sweet mvp post game cards and rake in the big gains.
 
The fuck are they thinking by getting rid of 6v6 Elimination?

If you need to make room for your shitty Low Gravity then get rid of 3v3 Elimination or 1v1 Limited Duel. Fucking wankstains.

Remember when Eichenwalde came out and they gave Reinhardt a couple of special skins to go with it? That was nice wasn't it. The good old days when things weren't locked behind limited edition loot boxes.
 
Came back to OW after the last event to check out the new map. Played two qp games. Think I'm done for another two months. You're getting old and samey OW. Can't even get mad at your boring ass anymore.
 
First game of the day, push the cart until the end of dorado with 2 or 3 minutes remaining, enemy team decides to throw the game with the usual suspects, not making past the bridge. Barely did anything on defense, RIP my stats.

It's hard to have just a single fucking game where everyone is trying.

Most of the games are decided by throwers. At least this time they weren't on my team.
 

Permanently A

Junior Member
How have others handled this dilemma:

I'm around 2750 SR, and when I play alone I get around 27-35 per win and lose 15-20 per loss, suggesting that the system wants to push me higher.
My friends are around 2100 SR, and when I play with them I get maybe 15-20 points per win but lose 25-30 per loss. I'm not sure I wanna be the guy to tell his friends he can't play with them because of their low rank, but I do want to climb. And they're pretty much always online when I am.

What to do?

you gotta strategically climb the ranks when they aren't online little by little and eventually pass the point where your SR is too high for you two to queue together
 

LiK

Member
How have others handled this dilemma:

I'm around 2750 SR, and when I play alone I get around 27-35 per win and lose 15-20 per loss, suggesting that the system wants to push me higher.
My friends are around 2100 SR, and when I play with them I get maybe 15-20 points per win but lose 25-30 per loss. I'm not sure I wanna be the guy to tell his friends he can't play with them because of their low rank, but I do want to climb. And they're pretty much always online when I am.

What to do?

Just do Appear Offline or go Invisible or something if you don't wanna play with them. Or just tell them you wanna Solo Q. Don't force yourself to play with others if you don't want to. If they get butthurt about it then whatevs.

I got some invites when I was playing today and pretty much ignored them cuz I was just messing in Arcade and didn't feel like joining a group.
 
This nerf is actually really bad for soloq. The other tanks require good healings to stay alive and that's something that doesn't really exist for the most part (just now had a Lucio on koth that was always in the middle of the fight in front of the team... I was getting a lot of charge but I'd rather have my healer alive lol). Zarya is my 2nd best tank for soloq and I struggle a lot with her because of the lack of healing, probably have to start playing her in a more passive way being careful to not let my health drop below 200. Still far from ideal because I like being agressive with her, and when things aren't working out I would switch to hog.

This sucks.
 

LiK

Member
This nerf is actually really bad for soloq. The other tanks require good healings to stay alive and that's something that doesn't really exist for the most part (just now had a Lucio on koth that was always in the middle of the fight in front of the team... I was getting a lot of charge but I'd rather have my healer alive lol). Zarya is my 2nd best tank for soloq and I struggle a lot with her because of the lack of healing, probably have to start playing her in a more passive way being careful to not let my health drop below 200. Still far from ideal because I like being agressive with her, and when things aren't working out I would switch to hog.

This sucks.

probably why you should be duoing with me cuz my Zen can keep you alive.
 

AngryMoth

Member
Why did they feel the need to nerf roadhog? I've not been playing much recently but he hasn't been too dominant in the pro games I've seen.
 

LiK

Member
Funny that Hog was considered a better Reaper than Reaper and now Reaper is Hog's direct counter after buff.
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Why did they feel the need to nerf roadhog? I've not been playing much recently but he hasn't been too dominant in the pro games I've seen.

Pretty sure they just put on a blindfold and threw a dart at a wall. Makes more sense that way anyway.
 

Blu(e)

Member
Pretty sure they just put on a blindfold and threw a dart at a wall. Makes more sense that way anyway.

Really? I can't think of a character that was more complained about than Roadhog.

Was it warranted?

I don't really think so but people were just so vocal about how unfun he was and have been asking forever for a nerf.

The amount of times I've seen Roadhog (and Genji. Jesus Christ) get away with murder is crazy that I'm okay with them potentially changing the characters a bit so they have to play more in line with their team.
 

Yager

Banned
Playing arcade:

"Wow, why did I take a mini break from the game? This is so much fun".

Playing comp:

"Oh...right. Now I remember".

People picking Reaper as the main DPS. Shitty Reapers charging Zarya like there's no tomorrow. People NOT SWITCHING when things don't work. I mean, I'm sure it'll take a couple of days before everybody gets used to the recent changes, but some things are fucking basic. Watching a Reaper trying to shoot down a Phara from ground level will never stop being amusing.
 

ISOM

Member
Blizzard probably looked at data and saw Roadhog was getting way too many one shots.

Well yeah. He gets play more than any sniper like Hanzo or Widow. I'm guessing they just wanted to eliminate him from the game for awhile.
 

ISOM

Member
I don't know how I get consistently unlucky where I get throwers and people who don't care in back to back games. People who don't want to play healer or tanks regardless of winning or losing. The first match I won but barely and the second wasn't close and the guy on my team said he legit doesn't care about winning or losing because he hates the game. Blizzard really needs to come quick with these severe penalties for the throwers. These people will kill the game quick because my desire to deal with these people is almost zero.
 

LiK

Member
I don't know how I get consistently unlucky where I get throwers and people who don't care in back to back games. People who don't want to play healer or tanks regardless of winning or losing. The first match I won but barely and the second wasn't close and the guy on my team said he legit doesn't care about winning or losing because he hates the game. Blizzard really needs to come quick with these severe penalties for the throwers. These people will kill the game quick because my desire to deal with these people is almost zero.

Probably why it's best to play tank or healer if you're doing solo Q.
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Really? I can't think of a character that was more complained about than Roadhog.

Was it warranted?

I don't really think so but people were just so vocal about how unfun he was and have been asking forever for a nerf.

Roadhog (and Genji. Jesus Christ) got away with murder sometimes that I'm okay with them potentially changing the characters a bit so they have to play more in line with their team.

If they are actually balancing around salty people on the blizzard forums then I guess I'll sign up and start contributing, lol.

I know a lot of people disliked him but I remember back in the open beta/release that Bastion was always the bane of newer players and that wasn't something that they caved in on because people learned how to get around it. He was later reworked to try to not be ass, but otherwise wasn't changed even if a basic rein + bastion WRECKED new players. Plus things such as Hanzo Scatter have never been touched AFAIK and are frequently complained about...just seems weird to hit that now? I disagree that RH gets away with murder when Blizz has made people dedicated to playing him go through more hell than anyone else what with them fundamentally changing how hook pulls, how LoS works, the scatter on his gun, his cooldown, etc.

The reason this irks me is because Roadhog is a character clearly designed in a such a way because of the strength he had in his hook. He has no mobility, a huge hitbox, a small clip size with a painfully long reload, which come together to make him an infamous ult battery for the opposing team. He was never a traditional tank, but this all worked into how he used Hook. Hook is super strong, so the character with it must be weak. A big tradeoff. I love that! Even then, they changed him a lot--Hook 2.0 as mentioned, hitting CD (also fair), and all that. Basically making it so that despite his one shot capabilities he's kept in line with others and will always have those inherent downsides built into his very design. But this change? It's straight up half assed nonsense. Now hook doesn't have the payoff anywhere close to how it used to be, and this character that is gimped because of it now lost his very soul with such a huge gutting of his damage. Yet he still has all of the downsides, including the fairly recent hook CD nerf, which was always working towards balancing his one shots. What this means is, well, he has all of the stacked nerfs and changes built for a character that one shots, and then they take away his ability to do just that...every balance tweak they've worked on since the game came out basically got dumped into the trash. Upping his firing speed and giving him another shot still makes his overall damage her clip lower and he still has to deal with the huge reload on top of it too.

I'm not against a rework like you said either, but this isn't that. If it is then...well, it's essentially a half done change that is reworking him into a role he isn't currently designed for. A year after the game came out. I've never felt like harshly towards a patch in OW but I am genuinely turned off super hard by this going forward.
 

Veelk

Banned
The big question I have is what is Roadhog's contribution to the team now supposed to be?

Before he was the guy who took out a single enemy allowing for a 5v6 fight to ensue. I mean, sure the infinite variations of mechanics that could go down could lead him to doing other stuff, but in the space of the short term, that's his job, take out one enemy for your team.

Now what is he supposed to be? The enemy depositioner? Because he can still hook people, but he's no longer able to finish the job. Is he supposed to rely on his team to help him finish the job? If all he's supposed to do is fuck with enemy positions, the hook needs to be on a 4 second timer or something.

A lot of people complained that he was a full out DPS that's miscatergorized as a tank just because he has a large health box. Well, if he's no longer DPS, what is he now?
 

Sane_Man

Member
The problem with Roadhog is the same problem with heroes like Symmetra, Bastion and Torb. In higher level play with co ordinated teams they're not a problem most of the time because teams are organised and pick counters. In lower level play teams aren't co ordinated and these heroes take such a low amount of skill to be effective with that they become disproportionately effective. Roadhog takes an IQ of about 15 to master and pull off easy one shots constantly.

The main problem is balancing between low level and higher level play. Most players are in the lower-mid range so I think the Roadhog nerf is fair enough and will make the game better for the majority of players.
 

LiK

Member
Hog is now more of a tank than tank/DPS. He can still take the same amount of hits with his fat ass. He's just way less lethal.
 

papasmurf1038

Neo Member
Man, the quality of matches is so poor this season that I don't even feel like I'm playing Overwatch. Seems like every match is just my four DPS teammates arguing about who has gold damage ad infinitum. Or one team or the other is throwing.

Barely feels like the same game anymore.
 

Papercuts

fired zero bullets in the orphanage.
Hog is now more of a tank than tank/DPS. He can still take the same amount of hits with his fat ass. He's just way less lethal.


That's a bad thing tho. He's a 'tank' in the sense he has high HP but it's not armor or shielding and he applies zero mitigation to his teammates like anyone else, he's solely an ult battery without the upside. He always had that risk before but had a payoff to balance the risk reward. He wasn't given anything to increase his role as an actual Tank.

I've liked the OW tank design for the most part otherwise. Rein is traditional, big rectangle shield for the team to gather behind. Winston is more aggressive but bubble is still nice to cover your team or the point/payload. Orisa is like a mobilized Rein shooting out her shield cover, Zarya waits and bubbles teammates to protect them from things no one else can. Dva covers herself or others in a big NOPE wall. Hog always stuck out since he has nothing for his teammates, the self heal is only for him and even then that isn't something you want to do under active fire unless it's a secluded 1v1. Sym is more of a tank than he is with her mobile shield, lol.

In that sense he was always a bit odd with everyone else but now he just...doesn't fit anywhere. He's never been much of a tank but now has no role in general. He's a character with no archetype.
 

_Legacy_

Member
Playing arcade:

"Wow, why did I take a mini break from the game? This is so much fun".

Playing comp:

"Oh...right. Now I remember".

People picking Reaper as the main DPS. Shitty Reapers charging Zarya like there's no tomorrow. People NOT SWITCHING when things don't work. I mean, I'm sure it'll take a couple of days before everybody gets used to the recent changes, but some things are fucking basic. Watching a Reaper trying to shoot down a Phara from ground level will never stop being amusing.

Crazy wasn't it? He was the reason their Zarya was so juiced, people should know how to play this game by now.
 
Guess there's no point playing tank on KOTH when the dps focus on everything except the mercy. Having a genji, pharah and reaper on the team and seeing the mercy right in the middle of the point only being targeted by me is one of the dumbest things I ever saw in this game. I have no words. These players have absolute zero game sense.

probably why you should be duoing with me cuz my Zen can keep you alive.

We can try it for sure. One of us is probably going to have a noticeable delay on the game (like I have when I play with the gaf stack) but we'll see how it goes :)
 

ISOM

Member
Man, the quality of matches is so poor this season that I don't even feel like I'm playing Overwatch. Seems like every match is just my four DPS teammates arguing about who has gold damage ad infinitum. Or one team or the other is throwing.

Barely feels like the same game anymore.

I agree. I think playing late at night/dawn accerbates the problem because that seems to be the time the real don't give a shit people come out.
 

Yager

Banned
Crazy wasn't it? He was the reason their Zarya was so juiced, people should know how to play this game by now.

I mean, it's OK if you land a couple of shots on Zarya while she's got the bubble, maybe you didn't realize or she popped it out at the time you were shooting...but having a Zarya constatly charged and melting your face? Just backup a bit and wait for the bubble to disappear. Damnit is not that hard.

Also I want to say hello to all the pro-Ana wannabes on console that used the nade to heal themselves everytime and ocasionally hit a couple of shots. If that's what you're really gonna do, maybe it's time to go Zen or Lucio.
 
I'm still trying to figure out when is the best time to play on EU (PS4).

I have been playing at 8-9am GMT on weekdays and it's bad, like 80% of the games have throwers. This happened several days in a row so I guess it will always be like this.
 

LAM09

Member
Solo queing is getting harder and harder to bear. Almost always fighting an uphill battle before the team are even out.

I'm still trying to figure out when is the best time to play on EU (PS4).

I have been playing at 8-9am GMT on weekdays and it's bad, like 80% of the games have throwers. This happened several days in a row so I guess it will always be like this.

I've found between 7-9pm GMT to be the best time. More people on mics and less kids mucking around.
 

Yager

Banned
I'm still trying to figure out when is the best time to play on EU (PS4).

I have been playing at 8-9am GMT on weekdays and it's bad, like 80% of the games have throwers. This happened several days in a row so I guess it will always be like this.

I'm still strying to figure out when is the best time to play on EU Xbox since the second season T_T (I don't count the first one because back then nobody really knew what the hell they were doing).
 

Fugu

Member
I'm coming around to the notion that Blizzard nerfing high skill cap characters and buffing lower skill cap characters is having a negative effect on the matchmaking. My games (36-38xx, PC) are filled with D.Va, Mercy and Lucio mains that don't have a particularly large amount of general awareness nor the skillset to play anyone else at a high level. If you get more than one of these guys on your team it's usually GG because they can't do anything else.

Losing because you have three support mains is one thing; losing because you have three players that can only really play D.Va is a whole other level.
(Frankly, though, neither is acceptable. If you're playing in comp you should be able to handle filling two roles.)
 
Finally put some more time in the PC version, hit level 25 and did my placements. Hit low gold! Was very happy about that considering I am mostly a low/mid silver on Xbox. Got ripped to bits on my two games after though lol :( Not focussing diving Winstons well enough. Still getting used to using KBM after years of controller.

Do you PC guys tend to use text chat to communicate with your team? I use headset and called for ult comboing as I was Zarya, but no one said anything back. Then I got shit next round for not using my ult :/
 

I-hate-u

Member
Reaper is a must on Anubis defense now with the recent changes. People just can't seem to kill him before him getting at least 2-3 picks.

Oh, and poor Hog. Killed by a nerf despite being already neutered in the current meta.
 
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