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Overwatch |OT4| You Want A Good Genji, But You Need The Bad Hanzo
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SDCowboy
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I'm in the same range (41-42), but I think our definition of underdog may be different in this case. I'm regularly getting stuck with teams that are getting annihilated. I'd much rather be on the better team and occasional lose to the underdog than what I'm currently getting much of the time.
Japanese dudes with dragon tattoos are cool.
SDCowboy
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I don't know what rank range you play in, but I very rarely see Hanzos anymore.
Stone Ocean
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Because le ebin POTG ult
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I dunno, last match I as hanzo, got gold in elims, and regularly am around the point to defend it, but my team keeps on dying around me, is it my hanzo's fault?
SDCowboy
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Yeah that's always fun when you play as one of the heroes people like to hate on, and then they inexplicably blame you for the team sucking. lol
Dangansona
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I just don't know how to deal with a good Zarya...
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I also did get potg with my ult, but it was against a group that's on the defense point, so, probably how you should be using it
Stone Ocean
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Not really, but you're not exactly doing your team any favours by playing him in a situation where you need to be in close range.
mehrmantrout
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Just ran into 6 Torbs on Dorado attack, pure Ebola. Also is anyone else finding that if you queue solo it will never spilt groups of 2/3 and always put them on the same (generally opposing) team? It's hard enough as is queuing solo without it constantly being stacked against you
Fahzgoolin
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Great vid:
Hit detection in Overwatch
Hit detection in Overwatch
SDCowboy
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But sometimes you're already playing as that hero. It's not like you can just instantly change on the fly. Sometimes there will be idiot teammates that yell at someone for being a class that doesn't help the immediate situation that just sprung up. Like, someone you can just hit H anywhere on the map and switch. lol
Stone Ocean
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Oh sure, there's always dickheads who will second guess situational picks without thinking.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I mean I was attacking midrange most of the time. Scatter is pretty dang powerful in close though.
I dunno, hanzo can do work.
SDCowboy
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Yeah if I'm on a decent team, I can go pretty ham as Hanzo. Even at close range. When it goes south with him though is if your entire team suddenly dies and it's just you against them.
Probably a good thing. In hero limit comps he's actually in a weird spot where he can just randomly end games.
Welcome to the battle Mercy club. We don't let anyone walk over us.
I was healing with Ana in PTR when 2 McCrees kept giving me grief, so I switched to Mercy and soloed them with pistol + melee whenever either got close. In Sym's words, KNOW YOUR PLACE.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
That just means you were fighting 2 pretty bad mccree if they got close and couldn't seal the deal.
No lies detected with that Roadhog hook hit detection. I've been hooked many times when I was hidden from the Roadhhog's view. And he's right about it getting much less vitriol than Hanzo's arrows.
mehrmantrout
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I'm hoping that sometime, even if just by the laws of chance, I start getting put on some teams that can compete and maybe even win.
It's feast or famine with no in between. So frustrating as even a scrubby group but all on mic increase there chances of winning by 100%
TheGoreMagala
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For the Ilios animated spray, is it top 500 global or top 500 in your server?
Red Arremer
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So this happened...
https://clips.twitch.tv/lassiz/OddTapirMingLee (warning: loud)
Probably because it's much harder to kill and generally be competent as Roadhog than it is with Hanzo, and Roadhog also is played a lot less overall, at least in Quick Play etc.
https://clips.twitch.tv/lassiz/OddTapirMingLee (warning: loud)
Probably because it's much harder to kill and generally be competent as Roadhog than it is with Hanzo, and Roadhog also is played a lot less overall, at least in Quick Play etc.
Garrett Hawke
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"Overwatch is a very broken game"
not... really
they clearly made the hitboxes like that for a reason
SDCowboy
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And just like that, it finally happened. I was on the dominant team and we obliterated them (I even got four golds). What is this feeling? T T
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
A good roadhog fucking destroys in a way that Hanzo can only wish.
Red Arremer
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...okay? I'm not sure how this relates to what I said? Because I said it's harder to reliably kill and generally be competent as Roadhog than it is as Hanzo. That has nothing to do with what a good Roadhog or Hanzo can do.
I'm hoping that sometime, even if just by the laws of chance, I start getting put on some teams that can compete and maybe even win.
40-50 SR is very bad, the system doesn't work. There is a huge variance in players competency that the game has failed to recognize and instead put everyone together, it's generally stomp or get stomped.
no? It's quite easy to be effective with Roadhog, most Hanzo's can't hit anything even with those broken hitboxes, you might as well play 5v6. Roadhog's presence alone is a threat.
Yeah I've done this as well with Mei's ult. Throw it straight up and ice block on the payload. It will usually land after ice block ends and if they crowd around me to try and kill me, they'll just end up frozen.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Is it? I find both at around the same difficulty level honestly.
Like, i know Hanzo being easy is a meme but he really isn't. Which is why people rage at having bad Hanzos.
Roadhog isn't all that hard either.
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Red Arremer
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To kill reliably as Hanzo pretty much all you have to do is shoot blind arrows at a chokepoint or objective where the enemy team is bunching up at. You're bound to get a few headshots.
To kill reliably as Roadhog you have to land the hook, and for beefier characters either land a headshot or at least know how to do the shot to melee combo quickly enough.
Hanzo is a mid-range skirmisher who does really well when in the middle of a big team fight. And even if go for a sniper approach, it's easy to find decent sniping locations.
For Roadhog, you need to know the maps quite well because you need to know where you can flank the enemy teams from.
These 2 aspects alone make Roadhog a much more difficult character to play than Hanzo. Furthermore, thanks to Roadhog's massive health, getting killed as him gives the enemy team more ult charge than dying as Hanzo would. So if you have an incompetent Hanzo, it's a lot less impacting the enemy team's performance because they only get a third of the progress towards an ult bar than they would if you had a bad Roadhog (and that's assuming he straight up dies without healing).
A single skill on cooldown is easier to bear over the normal attack of another hero. Hanzo has zero reason to not just constantly have his moves on cooldown, and with his projectile attacks he's pretty encouraged to be spammy--prefire corners, scatter edges and floors, etc. You can be more methodical with him and do well but those random log headshots happen a lot in a single game by nature of his kit.
Roadhog on the other hand isn't gonna be hooking a corner hoping someone pops up, so the amount of times those funky wall hooks happen are way less frequent which is why I imagine most people don't get too frustrated when it happens.
...plus Roadhog's hook can be funky but it also can be in a way that actually fucks him over. The amount of clean hits I've gotten on a Lucio or a Genji only for them to phase out of the dimension and tear open space time behind or to my side right into a getaway are pretty crazy.
Roadhog on the other hand isn't gonna be hooking a corner hoping someone pops up, so the amount of times those funky wall hooks happen are way less frequent which is why I imagine most people don't get too frustrated when it happens.
...plus Roadhog's hook can be funky but it also can be in a way that actually fucks him over. The amount of clean hits I've gotten on a Lucio or a Genji only for them to phase out of the dimension and tear open space time behind or to my side right into a getaway are pretty crazy.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Those random corner headshots don't occur as frequently as one might think. Also scatter arrow is too precious to be fired off willy nilly. If that doesn't guarantee you a kill you've wasted it. Seriously.
SDCowboy
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Yep. Just got completely steamrolled again. Both the ranking system and matchmaking is completely fucked currently, IMO. The matches should not be this consistently lopsided.
Spinosaurus
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I love this because it makes me giddy knowing I'm probably the first Winston to bully the Genji if they thought they can deflect my zaps.Me when I see a Genji trying to reflect my Symmetra/Zarya/Winston energy beams:
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
The game was just trying to save you from the horror that is zarya goth.
That rollercoaster of emotions "OH SHIT, legenda- fffuck."
Red Arremer
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Be happy. That Zarya skin is still the one and only Legendary I own.
My reaction was: "Wait gold? GOLD? OMG LEGENDARY!!! ...oh... ...
"Level?Be happy. That Zarya skin is still the one and only Legendary I own.
My reaction was: "Wait gold? GOLD? OMG LEGENDARY!!! ...oh... ...
Yeah if I'm on a decent team, I can go pretty ham as Hanzo. Even at close range. When it goes south with him though is if your entire team suddenly dies and it's just you against them.
Mei/hanzo/Torb/Bastion going to be at the bottom of the comp tier list, Mcree/Zen going to be boosted to the top with D.Va getting a nice boost too.
Red Arremer
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20. Given my luck, though, I expect to get the recolour of the Gothic Zarya skin the next time I roll a legendary.
From what I can tell you get one every 10 levels. I'm level 70 and I just got my 7th legendary.20. Given my luck, though, I expect to get the recolour of the Gothic Zarya skin the next time I roll a legendary.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Widow and junk aren't going to do too hot either.
Which is why I'm saying that blizzard needs a serious look at the defense class.
A Zarya with no energy trying to kill anyone is just painful as fuck.
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