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Overwatch |OT4| You Want A Good Genji, But You Need The Bad Hanzo
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Yes. It is super annoying :*(
Kor of Memory
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They let more aggressive players take more risks, but you are right, they aren't necessary.
I played a comp game of attack on Gibralter the other day with a team average of 69 and we had 3 soldiers, 2 winstons and a Zarya.
We mowed the enemy team down so well that 4 of them left for their turn to attack.
Depends whether or not your team wants/needs the ability to stay alive for longer, making you more durable. It's not a failing, I've won plenty of games in teams without a healer but generally it's better to have at least one, or at the very least a Soldier dropping heals. It's almost a requirement on the control game types, less so on the escorts.
Interfectum
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They aren't but they sure help in a lot of situations. Lots of games can come down to a single team wipe that might have not occured had you a healer on board.
I can't imagine why you'd want to try to hold down a control point without some sort of health regen hero around.
I mean
you could make the argument that Reinhardt is even more important to have in a lot of cases and him not being there can really handicap a team.
xaosslug
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Vault Dweller 111
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There's just no other characters that would make people say WTF no *blank* when you start a game. If there's no Lucio or Mercy there is a 'you are already dead feeling'. Sure sometimes it works, but it's rare.
People will say 'healer is a role on the team just like DPS' okay, then there should be more choices. No one is coming out of the spawn with just a a Zenyatta (pre patch) and feeling like the healer role is being fulfilled.
Edit: people seem to be interpreting this as me saying that I don't want healers on my team. It's the complete opposite. It feels like a requirement to have a Lucio or Mercy and I don't think it should be.
probably because the vfov is shit since they just pan and scan it cropping the top and bottom off
This is a good read, very enlightening on how/why the balance of overwatch works. Someone else mentioned the effect of high risk reward characters being similar to gambling where you can easily go on a dry run or a killing spree, and the logic being that if you're actually trying to win gambling just isn't a good strategy.
The thing about Hanzo that I've always thought was his greatest strength is the sonic arrow. Wall hacks are fuckin OP, we all know this. A buff to sonic arrow could offset Hanzo's weakness without making him cancer like some kind of disable or DoT effect could. Maybe increase the duration of sonic arrow.
Another solution may be giving him a double jump. It doesn't directly address the issue, but its a simple yet highly underrated ability that would probably dramatically increase Hanzo's skill cap without really reducing the skill floor... which then might make the risk reward lean more towards reward at higher skill levels.
I actually agree with every word in this post. Fuck Hanzo and fuck people who play Hanzo.
Had 4 games a few minutes ago with 4 friends and 2 randoms from the previous match, won all of them, even as underdogs. It feels so good when you play with a good competent team, we were so synced it wasn't even funny. Got back up to a 44 and starting to see the light, back in in 40 mins and hopefully we keep the train rolling..
Forerunner
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lol I'm done caring about my rank anymore. I've gone from 66 to 60 over the past few days because of leavers and Sudden Death coin clips. The more I play the more comp just feels like Russian Roulette. I'm going to keep playing comp because of the golden weapons. However, other than that idc.
True, I wonder if the Comp points given at end of season is for season high or current rank? Hope it's the former.
greendomo's ghost
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Shake Appeal
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This is going to be so fun. I'm excited. Haven't played Overwatch in a week (I was on vacation), and now there's a patch.
That's good. Now I don't need to worry about dropping as much.
EmptyCanO'wupass
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These D.Va buffs... I'm just crying tears of malicious joy.
I honestly hate people who do this. It's not fun or funny, it's just being a dick and ruining the experience of people who want to play the game properly, ugh. So glad it's going to be over soon.
I will play Zen alot. He's a nice change of pace from my normal Lucio pick when a support is needed and he will still stack well with another support.
Yeah, I agree with this. You shouldn't NEED a Mercy or Rein every single match to be at 100% effectiveness and if you do, then there's a balance failure somewhere. This is a legitimate gripe I have with Overwatch at the moment.
I'm not sure if any one has pointed it out yet but at the very end of the new developer update video there is something really odd. At the very end of the video there are some old TV style test color bars and some static as well as a loud boop sound. I don't remember if the other videos had it but I have a strong feeling that they didn't. Could this be some kind of hidden message maybe? Some kind of ARG to find of out more about the next new hero or something? I wouldn't know where to start with this kind of thing so I hope someone here can spearhead the investigation. What do you guys think?
yeehamuffins
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Yeah, having played a few more matches before my ping started getting ridiculous: the D.Va buff is pretty substantial. Played her once in the 3-4 games I did and got PotG in that one match, and there was always one, at least two of them on each team (along with the obligatory one Ana per team). For all the talk of McCree having his damage buffed back up, I played him on my first match and felt useless because the D.Va just kept blocking all my higher powered shots. Definitely think she's going to see a lot more use going forward.
The one problem I saw: I played three KotH matches, and on each one our team had a Ana and Zenyatta, but no Lucio. Seems like the new/buffed supports are making players forget how important that speed boost is to getting an advantage on Control maps. Looking forward to when the new luster on Ana goes away, because in only one match I played did she seem to make an actual difference (used her ult. on my Zarya and I popped my own ult. to wipe four enemies; thanks for the PotG assist, Ana, but I still don't like your character.)
Orochinagis
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Cant wait for a new tank/offensive heroe and see everyone sticking on him/her
This wasn't even the first time it's happened to me on Hanamura.
TheLetdown
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Wonder how long console has to wait?
4-ever.
I want to see if Ana shakes up Pharah's powerhouse status on console but I don't think she will. All of her natural counters are way, way better with a mouse.
Yea, I had my entire team pick Hanzo/Genji the other night on Dorado Attack, left the match, regretted nothing.
I'm kinda confused as to why Ana's ult gives damage reduction too, seems overkill and broken from everything I've read?
killdatninja
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I did some solo queue last night, both games I had a leaver on my team. The worst part is they leave at the end of the first half, it pisses me off so much because I can't count the times where my team has clutched out a win that started off where we got steamrolled the first round/half. There are times that the outcome looks so grim but somehow we pulled it off, and you know what... those are the wins that make me feel accomplished. With my friends, Route 66, we had a game where we made it close to the first checkpoint (just a bit passed the gas station). That's bleak as shit (morale was down in voice chat), how easy is it for the team that just easily held it down to just pass that spot? Well, they couldn't even get past the gas station... In solo queue last night, we barely made it past the first checkpoint (not even halfway to the second checkpoint), a guy straight up quits before our defense round starts, I'm never solo queuing again.
Forerunner
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Dead Prince
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my new favorite thing to do is to wait till the enemy roadhog hooks someone and put him to sleep before he can fire. It creates so much salt in chat
why. because they get dmg from a hook. what if your team is one shot and you let them die? ;P
RespectThySole
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Yeah, the leaver penalty bullshit is still there on console smh. Just beat down this other team real bad, all 6 of them left in the second round and my rank gain was minimal despite getting 3 gold medals.
I will take the risk
it is also awesome to see a tank slowly coming from their spawn trying to rush the point and you put him to sleep across the map and have him lose 6 seconds. We won a couple matches thanks to that earlier because the tanks couldn't make it in time.
Ana is too much fun
You getting gold medals do not mean anything. Your xp gain is based on how well you did in that map within your rank range with the character(s) you were playing compared to the playerbase. Getting gold has no effect in the outcome. Gold medals do not mean shit other than a round end pat in the back.
Shake Appeal
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Pfft, I already do this with Zarya bubbles.my new favorite thing to do is to wait till the enemy roadhog hooks someone and put him to sleep before he can fire. It creates so much salt in chat
PalaceBrother
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For what it's worth I saw you stave off an overtime pretty well while playing Pharah on Lijang.
You're officially the first thing I've ever watched on Twitch. I'm old.
"I think justice could use a little nap."
AHappyPanda
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Putting someone in a bubble as they get hooked by a Roadhog or right before a charging Rein hits them against the wall is SO satisfying.
The 18th Letter
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You don't need one but it makes your job easier, same with any other character like Reinhardt for example.
Yeah, Lucio is too good on KotH. I wouldn't NOT pick Lucio just to use a weaker support on a KotH map.
Kor of Memory
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