Okay, the key to happiness in this game is to straight up play with other people. Soloing can be fun, or it can be the height of hell. But if you are able to talk to someone, not only can you coordinate better, but even if you lose and are pissed, you aren't alone in your misery. That alone makes it more bearable.
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Overwatch |OT4| You Want A Good Genji, But You Need The Bad Hanzo
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play with people who aren't assholes or tryhards. even if you never speak, just listening to them enjoying the game in party chat is very enjoyable and makes me play better.
Well, yeah, that goes without saying.
My last game of the night, I was the only one in party chat. We were in sudden death and attacking and someone picked a Torbjorn. I wasn't going to do anything but roll my eyes, but then I remembered I had my headphones in, so I asked politely "Hey, Torb, do you think think you can switch to someone else? No offense, I'm sure you're fantastic at him, but he's not exactly the best character to play on attack. Um...Bastion is not much better, maybe you should pick..."
He eventually settled on Hanzo. Still not the ideal pick, I was gonna suggest Winston, but I guess he was a good Hanzo because we crushed them afterwards, so it was all good.
The very fact that I had a mechanism to solve basic team comp problems, and that the person playing was nice enough to forgo their favorite character to make the team work all really helped win what might have been a doomed match.
Yeah she doesn't work as a sniper at all for me. I love playing her mid range though, and often get just as much healing done if not more than I do with Lucio or Mercy. And I rack up kills as well! Love her toolkit.I always vote for the Ana. My experience with them has been pretty positive, they ALWAYS heal me when I need it and they always stay with the team. All the bad Anas I've seen have been on the enemy team, usually staying the hell back playing sniper.
Started out decently going 3-1, then lost my last two including a King's Row game which was the hardest lock down I've seen as we were on attack. Just never broke through the gate, really. In hindsight I should have been switching off Reinhardt a bit earlier as they were just spamming down my shield almost immediately. We also really needed to flank them to pull them apart a bit. Will try again after lunch.I've had a break from ranked after a losing streak but I'll be getting back into it today. If anyone wants to group up just let me know. I'm mid-50's right now, hoping to get back higher up or at the very least stabilize at this point. Not a great player but I always try my best. Usually play tank or support, I've given up my Pharah dream
I'm on PC EU, quote for ID.
On the very positive side, every game has had at least some people on the voice channel and making call outs or briefly discussing tactics. First time solo queuing in a long while so this was new to me.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
So, after playing quite a bit of dva since the patch, my thoughts on how to best utilize her shield:
1) ults, duh.
2) but to do that, you really can't just use it willy nilly. Contrary to what people think you can't spam it, and finding the timings of saving up enough shield but also to still use it to protect your team mates.
3) now protecting your teammates is where the tricky part comes in. Don't use it as a a Reinhardt shield. It doesn't work that way. I've seen (and i so it as well, I'm still learning her nuances) dvas just throw it in front of really inconsequential cover fire. You really want to save it for the times like say a reaper is chasing down your teammates, to protect your dps as they are going through a group, or to clear a chokepoint for your teammates to find a safe path to enter.
Very different to rein. You're not acting as a permanent cover. So rein is still probably needed for stuff like engaging in chokepoints and creating a cover for the moving payload, but with dva it's more of a reflex position that is dependant on the situation. You either protect your flankers/dps to keep them on the battlefield longer, or you stop the other flankers from breaking down your backlines. The fact that she's so mobile makes it real easy to transition between both.
She doesn't have to play as a kind of tankier-not-so-tracer now as much as i love it. She is such a flexible actual tank now that can still harass very well. Kinda like zarya except with way better shields.
1) ults, duh.
2) but to do that, you really can't just use it willy nilly. Contrary to what people think you can't spam it, and finding the timings of saving up enough shield but also to still use it to protect your team mates.
3) now protecting your teammates is where the tricky part comes in. Don't use it as a a Reinhardt shield. It doesn't work that way. I've seen (and i so it as well, I'm still learning her nuances) dvas just throw it in front of really inconsequential cover fire. You really want to save it for the times like say a reaper is chasing down your teammates, to protect your dps as they are going through a group, or to clear a chokepoint for your teammates to find a safe path to enter.
Very different to rein. You're not acting as a permanent cover. So rein is still probably needed for stuff like engaging in chokepoints and creating a cover for the moving payload, but with dva it's more of a reflex position that is dependant on the situation. You either protect your flankers/dps to keep them on the battlefield longer, or you stop the other flankers from breaking down your backlines. The fact that she's so mobile makes it real easy to transition between both.
She doesn't have to play as a kind of tankier-not-so-tracer now as much as i love it. She is such a flexible actual tank now that can still harass very well. Kinda like zarya except with way better shields.
Headshots still deal 300 damage and thus rewards more competent players.
Zen wasn't the only problem with Widowmaker, she was just very powerful regardless since 150 body shot damage is insane. Hell she still is super powerful in the right hands, look up some clips by Kephrii on youtube.
Uh....Okay, so I am DUMB.
So this is probably the first game I got that had microtransactions. I thought I'd buy a large pack of loot boxes here, a few there and I did that for like a month because...until I realized I was basically just throwing money bit by bit....I really should have been tracking it, because a five dollar lootbox here or a ten dollar one there was no big deal...until now, when I just realized I given 225 dollars to Blizzard.
Um....wow. Honestly, while I was buying it, I justified it to myself by reminding myself how I don't like the $60 standard and think some games are worth more than others. So I certainly didn't mind paying more than the standard fair for a game that has eaten up close to a hundred hours of my time, and will probably eat up much more....but jesus, I felt certain that I only dropped around a hundred. Overwatch is a game that's worth more than a hundred dollars, but it's going to need more playtime to be worth over 285.
Okay, not falling into that trap again, holy shit. If anyone else wants to try microtransactions, my advice to you is to buy the $40 packs exclusively, because they'll give you most bang for your buck, but more importantly, they'll prevent you from falling into the psychological trap of just throwing money away bit by bit. For me, lesson fucking learned.
So this is probably the first game I got that had microtransactions. I thought I'd buy a large pack of loot boxes here, a few there and I did that for like a month because...until I realized I was basically just throwing money bit by bit....I really should have been tracking it, because a five dollar lootbox here or a ten dollar one there was no big deal...until now, when I just realized I given 225 dollars to Blizzard.
Um....wow. Honestly, while I was buying it, I justified it to myself by reminding myself how I don't like the $60 standard and think some games are worth more than others. So I certainly didn't mind paying more than the standard fair for a game that has eaten up close to a hundred hours of my time, and will probably eat up much more....but jesus, I felt certain that I only dropped around a hundred. Overwatch is a game that's worth more than a hundred dollars, but it's going to need more playtime to be worth over 285.
Okay, not falling into that trap again, holy shit. If anyone else wants to try microtransactions, my advice to you is to buy the $40 packs exclusively, because they'll give you most bang for your buck, but more importantly, they'll prevent you from falling into the psychological trap of just throwing money away bit by bit. For me, lesson fucking learned.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
That winstreak bonus is real.
44-48 woot.
44-48 woot.
Garrett Hawke
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I'm dying, yesterday me and my friends managed to get a group of 6 of us together and we did a Mercy chain, 6 Mercys, all healing the Mercy in front of them, and then the front Mercy using her pistol
And we got utterly melted by a team of all Symmetra. Not to be dissuaded, we switched to all Winston and won the game.
We were all pissing ourselves while playing though, it looked absolutely hilarious.
And we got utterly melted by a team of all Symmetra. Not to be dissuaded, we switched to all Winston and won the game.
We were all pissing ourselves while playing though, it looked absolutely hilarious.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I really should stop letting the team asking for a reinhardt in koth make me change to reinhardt.
He's not the best for koth.
Also back to my season's highest woot! This patch has been a real boon for me. Finally I can play my most played character in QP in ranked and not feel guilty about it.
Now we just need that mei buff and I can play my 2 most played characters!
He's not the best for koth.
Also back to my season's highest woot! This patch has been a real boon for me. Finally I can play my most played character in QP in ranked and not feel guilty about it.
Now we just need that mei buff and I can play my 2 most played characters!
I just had a triple, a quad and another triple kill with her ult in just one game of defend on numbani. What a time to be alive.
I use her defense matrix quite liberally, and never had it run out on me so far. It feels very disheartening to be on the other team, where all your shots disappear into nothingness. Also, I can easily win one on one encounters against reapers now. In QP, DVa stacks are fucking scary.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Oh I use it pretty liberally as well, but don't just throw it in front of the chokepoint and stand there pretending to be reinhardt.
Great way to annoy tracers as well trying to get your backline, which is a massive bonus for anything that can annoy tracers.
Also goddamn so many death blossoms contained inside the matrix. Love it. That alone won so many final pushes.
Great way to annoy tracers as well trying to get your backline, which is a massive bonus for anything that can annoy tracers.
Also goddamn so many death blossoms contained inside the matrix. Love it. That alone won so many final pushes.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I tend to do that before the patch, but yeah, being able to use it more frequently is so good.
Whats it like in the mid 65s as a support main solo?
Red Arremer
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In all fairness, all of the characters could be extrapolated into being archetypes. Soldier 76 might be the most archetype-y of them all, perhaps, but you can't shit on him for being "generic" (which I completely disagree with btw) when all the other characters are just as generic as he is. Because if you want to break it down, it looks like this:
Soldier 76 is the grizzled war veteran.
McCree is the badass yet chill cowboy.
Genji is the honourable ninja.
Pharah is the duty-bound soldier.
Tracer is the cheerful, joking team member.
Reaper is the edgy badass.
Bastion is the gentle giant.
Hanzo is the honourable samurai.
Junkrat is the crazy arsonist.
Mei is the environmentalist adventurer.
Torbjörn is the bearded engineer dwarf.
Widowmaker is the femme fatale.
D.Va is the cutesy girl.
Reinhardt is the chivalrous knight.
Winston is the super genius animal.
Zarya is the female Eastern European weight lifter.
Roadhog is the mercenary who relishes in what he does.
Lucio is the freedom fighter.
Mercy is the pacifist doctor.
Zenyatta is the wise spiritualist monk.
Ana is the sassy old lady.
Symmetra is the perfectionist seeking order and structure.
As such, Soldier 76 is just as generic as every other character in the game. He might have the most straight-forward gameplay, but not every character has to be a unique snowflake with in-depth mechanics in the game. I'd even argue that the fact he has the healing field makes him already more interesting than "guy with a gun who shoots things", as well. And lore-wise, I would argue that Soldier 76 might just be one of the most interesting characters as well.
Basically what I'm saying is: While all the characters in this game might be walking archetypes, it's what Blizzard does with them to make them unique. And frankly, I feel like Overwatch's roster is one of the most unique, easily recognizable rosters in almost any game ever.
I need someone to explain competitive balance to me.
I was level 58 in placement, I solo queued and dropped to 44-43. I now am queued with only level 30s, and I'm usually the highest by about 8+ levels.
when I lose, I lose an entire rank. when I win, I win a fraction.
I am usually gold medals across the board.
My understanding is EXP gain was based on win streak + level diff.
Why can't I just be matched with other level 44s?
I was level 58 in placement, I solo queued and dropped to 44-43. I now am queued with only level 30s, and I'm usually the highest by about 8+ levels.
when I lose, I lose an entire rank. when I win, I win a fraction.
I am usually gold medals across the board.
My understanding is EXP gain was based on win streak + level diff.
Why can't I just be matched with other level 44s?
mehrmantrout
Member
As best I understand it, because of your MMR (seperate from your comp rating) you're expected to win so take a bigger hit and smaller gain
OdysseusVA
Banned
Winston needs a dmg buff. Pretty useless against other tanks and is a toss up against those that aren't genji
RespectThySole
Member
77% kill participation with Tracer. Whew.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
God no he doesn't need a damage buff.
He needs something though, but I don't think that something is damage. Having a constant AoE attack that does more damage would be obnoxious.
He needs something though, but I don't think that something is damage. Having a constant AoE attack that does more damage would be obnoxious.
It's hard to buff Winston, because you could make an already strong hero stacked borderline OP. Unless Blizzard gets rid of hero stacking in QP or doesn't give a damn about balancing around QP.
but why how is it possible i get queued with lower comp levels all the time? is the game saying thats my real level? if so, why does it always slide down (i.e. when i was 50 i was always in low level 40 games).
maybe i should just stop solo queuing.
I would honestly say just don't even bother with microtransactions in this game unless you're literally so rich money is burning a hole in your pocket. I've spent no money on lootboxes and I still feel like I get them fairly regularly - don't forget the rate increases for a while every time you prestige and are at level 1 again.
dmg buff on his jump might be something good, or maybe landing on someone stuns for 1s.
right now its really used more as movement than an offensive attack
ShadowsFell
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Man, some people in this game can be real dicks. This mercy player was constantly on this widow player's balls, talking about how he/she couldn't aim. Like fuck man, yeah I'd sometimes ask attack snipers to maybe be something else, but if they don't I'll drop it and complain in this thread because I'm petty like that, but no need to constantly bring the tone down for everyone.
And we won too! Which I'd like to think is because of my zarya carry. Just kept a high energy throughout the payload escort and even managed to break out a quintuple black hole against the final push during sudden death.
Speaking of which, I'm kind of finding zarya super good at dealing with sudden deaths. Graviton surge is super clutch
And we won too! Which I'd like to think is because of my zarya carry.
Just kept a high energy throughout the payload escort and even managed to break out a quintuple black hole against the final push during sudden death. Speaking of which, I'm kind of finding zarya super good at dealing with sudden deaths. Graviton surge is super clutch
So, Sudden death question:
When it's a tied game, there is a flip of the coin to decide who attacks to get the last point of the match. In payload maps, this seems kind of ridiculous. If we are tied 3 for 3, then it's obvious that either team is more than capable of capturing a single checkpoint.
Why is the next metric by which tie breakers are decided not simply who captured the checkpoint in a shorter amount of time?
When it's a tied game, there is a flip of the coin to decide who attacks to get the last point of the match. In payload maps, this seems kind of ridiculous. If we are tied 3 for 3, then it's obvious that either team is more than capable of capturing a single checkpoint.
Why is the next metric by which tie breakers are decided not simply who captured the checkpoint in a shorter amount of time?
Because Blizzard refuses to use Stopwatch Rules, even though practically ever tournament uses them and Blizzard has said that they want their Competitive Mode to reflect tournament play.
Man, some people in this game can be real dicks. This mercy player was constantly on this widow player's balls, talking about how he/she couldn't aim. Like fuck man, yeah I'd sometimes ask attack snipers to maybe be something else, but if they don't I'll drop it and complain in this thread because I'm petty like that, but no need to constantly bring the tone down for everyone.
And we won too! Which I'd like to think is because of my zarya carry.
Speaking of which, I'm kind of finding zarya super good at dealing with sudden deaths. Graviton surge is super clutch
Yea there are times I want to step in but I don't want to get pulled into bullshit because people are fucking crazy. I was in a game where someone was just so appalled that someone else was playing Hanzo. This was on defense mind you, the person was just annoyed because they thought Hanzo was complete garbage (because the top tier pro meta really matters at this level of play) and felt it would bring the team down. At the end of the round, the Hanzo said they had gold in elim/damage and apparently this annoyed the first person enough to play Symmetra on attack to do fuck all. Not even trying and failing, I've seen Symmetras who genuinely think they can sneak a teleporter behind enemy lines, but this person was full on teleporters into pits trolling. It's insane. So petty to torpedo the entire team and themselves over nothing. Worst of all those kind of people aren't rare as you would think or hope.
Man, some people in this game can be real dicks. This mercy player was constantly on this widow player's balls, talking about how he/she couldn't aim. Like fuck man, yeah I'd sometimes ask attack snipers to maybe be something else, but if they don't I'll drop it and complain in this thread because I'm petty like that, but no need to constantly bring the tone down for everyone.
And we won too! Which I'd like to think is because of my zarya carry.
Speaking of which, I'm kind of finding zarya super good at dealing with sudden deaths. Graviton surge is super clutch
yes ugh, zarya makes me so erect. played a game with danj + friends a couple hours ago where the enemy mercy just ressed onto point B on volskaya and managed to pop my ult with high energy for a quintuple kill.
zarya is lowkey the best and most versatile character? can rack up high damage? yep. support your teammates? check. can be relatively self sufficient? you bet. ult that benefits most of your teammates? yep!
Dead Prince
Banned
back to winning in rank. the whole loss when i was in a group from my FL just carried with me during SoloQ. but feels good now.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Its awful, people are so rude about what they think YOU should be doing, when I feel like if they focused on what they are doing they might be playing better.
I had like 8k healing in a match once as Mercy and people told me to fuck off back to practice mode until I got better with her. :-/
I think the best thing about it being on consoles is if someone wants to talk shit they have to do that over mic and the number of people willing to do that is much lower than those willing to shitpost in the chat
Damn, just had my first 5 gold medal game. Numbani defense, Roadhog ofc (don't think any other character can do it).
For a brief moment I felt my inner Moonmoon come out.
(Even then I'd say the MVP was the Reaper who single handedly held the point after the rest of us got wiped)
For a brief moment I felt my inner Moonmoon come out.
(Even then I'd say the MVP was the Reaper who single handedly held the point after the rest of us got wiped)
I hate when people go in on another player, it brings the team morale down and does absolutely nothing to improve the situation.Its awful, people are so rude about what they think YOU should be doing, when I feel like if they focused on what they are doing they might be playing better.
I had like 8k healing in a match once as Mercy and people told me to fuck off back to practice mode until I got better with her. :-/
I think the best thing about it being on consoles is if someone wants to talk shit they have to do that over mic and the number of people willing to do that is much lower than those willing to shitpost in the chat
backflip10019
Member
Dear Xbox players,
We don't need 3 Anas on the same team.
Best regards,
backflip
We don't need 3 Anas on the same team.
Best regards,
backflip
Dead Prince
Banned
yeah. we need 4.
optimus8936
Banned
What's wrong with people trying out a new character? Better for them to do it in QP then to try her out in Ranked. Just wait for a few more days and the Ana fever will die down.
The thing is, I don't think you're getting any kind of feel for the character at all when you try her on a team that is so fucked by stacked Ana's that there is nothing any of them are going to accomplish except get wrecked.
To play Ana correctly, you need to
1. Find and maintain some kind of cover using the map. This is not something you are going to do while getting steamrolled because the enemy team is going to shoot you out the moment they're aware of your position.
2. Learn how to fire and distinguish targets. This is not something you are going to do with 2 other Ana's who are in the back lines with you. Even if you are doing everything completely right and you're healing like crazy, a 6 v 3 match is not one that's likely going to last long. What do you learn when the result of skilled gameplay is identical to bad gameplay?
3. Use your ult smartly. Again, steamrolling basically nullifies this. No matter who you are, even a nanoboosted Reinhardt is going to fall when everyone concentrates fire on him.
I really feel that the only way to really learn how to play a character is to play them in a normal gameplay environment, because that's where they're going to be used anyway, once the ana fever dies down. Now, you might have more of a point if this was literally any other character class. But this is a steam game, and especially as a support sniper with limited mobility, you're kit basically relies on the rest of the team to be effective.
Look, trust me, I get it, I'm sensitive to the idea that people want to just try out their favorite character. I get that. But stacking in all it's forms is a cancer. Stacking your support sniper with limited offensive and mobile capabilities is like a 9/11 of cancer with a side of the holocaust. Not only is it essentially throwing away the game, something no one likes whether it's QP or ranked, but it's also not in any way conducive to learning or enjoying the character. I would much rather have a person try her out in Ranked than 3 people in QP, because even if their entirely incompetent with her, then atleast the team will be down only 1 player instead of 3.
FallingEdge
Member
meh, it is QP. Do whatever you want in that game mode.
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