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Overwatch |OT4| You Want A Good Genji, But You Need The Bad Hanzo
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I understand that we don't have access to the algorithm; I was wondering if Blizzard had commented specifically on this since most of the information on how the system works seems to be total guesswork.How would you prove that without insight into their algorithm. I'm not claiming they're not doing it since we don't have that information, I'm saying it's rather unlikely as there's no precedent among team-based competitive games of the past decade or so to handle ranking that way, with good reason. It should be obvious to Blizzard's seasoned game designers that individual performance is all but immeasurable in an objective-based team FPS with widely differing roles.
Since you're a Mercy player you could collect proper ranking data from your games, including whether or not there were leavers on either team so we can rule out that factor.
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Well there we have it
Ranked confirmed mess
I will do just that from the next time I play and we'll maybe be able to gleam something from it.
Overall I don't know, but in there today is a game where I was solo matched against a group of 6 in which we were the underdog and lost an entire level's rank.
I don't get a lot of leavers on either side, to be honest. Maybe one in ten games.
Ummm, stop playing.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Man you gotta learn to quit when needed. Cool down with some quick plays or a break, then come back.
No keep going.
I'm about to find out. Won all my games yesterday and I'm rank 51 now. I guess it would be possible to go higher. I still haven't ran into much opponents that I thought were to good for my skill level and I reckon my teammates will also get better as I rank up higher.
Kinda not what I wanted to hear
Best of luck in comp though!Now I go back to trying super hard to get better.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Someone was talking about how he solo queue'd to 60.
Kinda not what I wanted to hear
Now I go back to trying super hard to get better.
Well I can also comfort you. I don't believe I'm a good player. But I'm not bad either and I always play the objective. Guess you just have to be lucky with the groups you get.
I'm above 50 with only solo queue.
It is my theory that moving up is only possible if you play as the characters for whom Blizzard's wacky system is working as intented and do so consistently well. I think this means picking Lucio every game.
Forerunner
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Quite a few in this thread have. I've been soloing since the start and I've gone from 52-59 and I'm sitting around 50 wins atm. I haven't had a huge problem. Sure, I get blowouts some games, but hey you win some you lose some. I currently have a 55% w/l and I'm finding it easier the higher I get.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Don't let it get to you. Sometime you need to know when to stop and take a breather to stop a negative spiral.
Trickster
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Only 1 gold. Bro are you even trying?
I know, I wasn't man enough to walk away calmly.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Is there like a bug where it stop counting what you do? Because I just had a match where it stopped counting elims but it would still show on screen that I eliminated the person, but give me zero fire points, which fucking sucks because that means I couldn't build my ult. Then those elims don't get counted on the stat page.
it's okay, i'm the same
Red Arremer
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Oh my god the OT subtitle I'm dying
In the high 50s, so you get matched together with pre made teams alot?
People that jump a lot of ranks when solo queuing are very fortunate/lucky since they have to get good teammates game after game, and no leavers, you can't carry a bad team comp at >50 rank (probably even at 40 rank). Eventually both will fall on the other-side and they'll have a day where they just lose ranks. You see it on every single stream on Twitch, the game can be very streaky, even Seagull isn't immune.
Forerunner
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Depends, most of my games are duo people paired with solos or it'll be like a four man with two solos. Occasionally it will be everyone solo, but for the most part it's 2/3/4 with some solos. I never ran into a full six man team before.
With competitive out and if you're playing QP? yeah. Probably ran about 6 matches today where there was at least 4 D.Va's with a Lucio. Luckily they were never too co-ordinated.
The colours next to the names shows who is in a group and with who. I had to add those lines manually because I couldn't find a screenshot online but that's what it'll look like.
I've solo queued to 65, so it's pretty possible. I'm not some MLG, esports, 100% headshot assassin either. I'm at around 70% wins on 50ish games.
Yep QP. They're annoying as hell, once my team got their shit together we steam rolled them though. Hero stacking is rampant in QP now. Get people that deliberately change to whatever hero I choose.
But the exact same applies for the team your fighting? Its just as likely that they have a bad team comp.
The only 'constant' variable is you. If you always play better than people your rank, you will move up in rank. Right?
I solo queue'd to 66, and had to fight tooth and nail last night to stay there
was always finding myself on the defending side of the sudden death coin toss
happened three times, shits so hard to win as the defending side (we didn't win once)
i'm sure there is some luck involved in solo queueing to high ranks, but most of the people in my games are also solo queueing (based on how the matchmaking is working i guess) - so its definitely possible
edit: i say the above, but with my luck ill go home tonight and lose 10 straight and drop back into the 50's
With your logic, yes.
But if you are unlucky and you are always in a bad composed team and the opponents always fit together nicely. You won't
You can of course be very unlucky, but over time, it should statistically even out.
Just had a crazy short attack round on Volskaya. Over in minutes. Anyway got a fun POTG from it. Not your average Mercy POTG
https://youtu.be/QZmec1qhR7c
https://youtu.be/QZmec1qhR7c
Dead Prince
Banned
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Argh I fucking hate rein's who are so timid of moving forward.
Your job isn't to hold the shield and stand still at the chokepoint. Move us to a better position!
Your job isn't to hold the shield and stand still at the chokepoint. Move us to a better position!
Vault Dweller 111
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I didn't see a response to this. What console? I played on my friends Xbone and it happened a few times. The entire second round of KOTH no stats were being awarded even though players would still die like normal. At the end of the game all of the cards only showed stats from round one. It happened twice in like 20 games. And if it's happening to you, I think it's happening to everyone in the game. Hasn't happened to me on Ps4 yet.
That's actually one of the things I have to pay attention to when playing as Reinhardt.
It's just that when I do walk forwards with my shield up I get hammered down by the enemy team waiting for me and it doesn't really work either.
Want to remind people that when you play with a Reinhardt on your team, that you stand behind his shield and kill torrets and enemies so you can progress as a team.
It's just that when I do walk forwards with my shield up I get hammered down by the enemy team waiting for me and it doesn't really work either.
Want to remind people that when you play with a Reinhardt on your team, that you stand behind his shield and kill torrets and enemies so you can progress as a team.
Interfectum
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That's assuming any of the damage dealers bother to follow reinhardt and don't just let him get his shield melted and die.
Sometimes its not about who has the best team comp but who has the worse group.
Was on a team that had two offensive Widows, told one of them to switch as nicely as I could. Got ignored, we still won because the other team was much worse. Of course I had to go Lucio.
Dead Prince
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they all want to flank from the side so rein is there wasting his shield lol. you think they would be good enough to take out some people if they plan to do that.
Shake Appeal
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In the most recent tournament I saw where stacking was permitted, every pro team went 2 Lucio, 2 Winston, 2 Tracer. Pretty much always.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Yeah that happened to me on PC.
If everyone is flanking on hanamura A they have a super wacky team composition.
If anything that's just another variable that needs to go your way. You can't influence how good or bad the other team is, and carrying in this game is almost impossible, even Surefour (who is probably the best carrier) struggles to do so. So now you have these variables:
Is my team good?
Do we have a good team comp?
Is their team good?
Do they have a good team comp?
Will people leave?
If both teams are even, will I win the coin flip on sudden death?
Over a long period of time you will move up or down to the rank you should be (if the system isn't flawed, and I think it is right now, but that's another story), but going up or down a large amount of ranks in a short period of time comes down to those variables being fortunate/unfortunate towards you, and there's nothing you can do to influence them, apart from suggesting a good team comp.
This is all for solo queuing ofcourse, when group queuing you can influence most of those variables to your favour.
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