I've given up on metas and what is considered good or not for whatever sides. As long as they're not sucking or dying much, they can play whatever they want. It's like people saying people shouldn't play Hanzo in Attacking and yet, I can destroy the other team with him and do fine. If that random wants to keep dying as Bastion, then let him die.
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Overwatch |OT4| You Want A Good Genji, But You Need The Bad Hanzo
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I've given up on metas and what is considered good or not for whatever sides. As long as they're not sucking or dying much, they can play whatever they want. It's like people saying people shouldn't play Hanzo in Attacking and yet, I can destroy the other team with him and do fine. If that random wants to keep dying as Bastion, then let him die.
Kor of Memory
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I just had the weirdest behavior situation I've ever seen.
It was my first game of the morning.
Defense on Volskaya.
First pick is a Symmetra
Then Hanzo
Then Reinhart
Then a pause, people trying to figure out who is playing healer because Symmetra just isn't enough.
Then we get a Tracer
Then a Junkrat
Still no healer, so I decide to roll Zenyatta, since I'm best with him as a healer, and having the Reinhart will help with my survivability.
Pre-game starts, and everyone moves out.
Symmetra isn't putting shields on everyone, despite that we're all in a giant cluster together.
So I decide to toss out the pre-made "I need healing emote" because I know she'll see that as "I need shields".
It works, she turns around and starts giving out shields to everyone...
...except me.
She gives a shield to every player on our team except me. Naturally I assume this is just an accident because sometimes the way the targetting system works with shields is a little wonky, and she has gone back to placing her turrets.
So I wait a few seconds and drop the premade emote again.
She walks over to me, slowly, and then moves her camera back and forth left and right as if to say no. Then goes back to her turrets.
I'm a fucking Zenyatta, I'm literally asking for an 18% hp buff, but for some reason I've pissed off this Symmetra to the point she wont give it to me.
I nope'd right the fuck on out of there. I'll be damned if I'm going to play at my best when my teammate is going to be spiteful for no fucking reason.
It was my first game of the morning.
Defense on Volskaya.
First pick is a Symmetra
Then Hanzo
Then Reinhart
Then a pause, people trying to figure out who is playing healer because Symmetra just isn't enough.
Then we get a Tracer
Then a Junkrat
Still no healer, so I decide to roll Zenyatta, since I'm best with him as a healer, and having the Reinhart will help with my survivability.
Pre-game starts, and everyone moves out.
Symmetra isn't putting shields on everyone, despite that we're all in a giant cluster together.
So I decide to toss out the pre-made "I need healing emote" because I know she'll see that as "I need shields".
It works, she turns around and starts giving out shields to everyone...
...except me.
She gives a shield to every player on our team except me. Naturally I assume this is just an accident because sometimes the way the targetting system works with shields is a little wonky, and she has gone back to placing her turrets.
So I wait a few seconds and drop the premade emote again.
She walks over to me, slowly, and then moves her camera back and forth left and right as if to say no. Then goes back to her turrets.
I'm a fucking Zenyatta, I'm literally asking for an 18% hp buff, but for some reason I've pissed off this Symmetra to the point she wont give it to me.
I nope'd right the fuck on out of there. I'll be damned if I'm going to play at my best when my teammate is going to be spiteful for no fucking reason.
What you're saying is that you found a unicorn.
optimus8936
Banned
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the Lockdown trophy/achievement glitch has been fixed. I just got the trophy on Hanamura. The platinum trophy is finally possible!!
Vault Dweller 111
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You left the game because he wouldn't give you a 25 health shield?
Kor of Memory
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I think some people see the heal/armor/shields request as an insult, like you don't trust them to do the job themselves to the point you have to ask, and then they get spiteful.
It's a weird behavior to be sure, but I've seen it show up here and there over plenty of games.
Yes.
He left because the guy was being a dick about it. The extra shaking head motion is asinine.
I hear ya, I was a Symm and didn't get everyone from spawn with shields so some guy requested it and I gave it to him and he used the Thanks emote immediately. When playing Support, be the fucking Support.
Not for me. The people I play with are basically near their placement level (I'm way down, from 54 to 46 due to a bad night playing with randoms). I know forced 50 isn't a thing, but it sure feels like it is.
Vault Dweller 111
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The guy was a dick no doubt. But why leave? It's like saying that he won the battle between you two, why let him get to you? Just don't give him your healing orb and play the game like normal. I assume it was just quick play (I hope) but it still gets you that much closer to a xp penalty. Don't give him the satisfaction.
Kor of Memory
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I play games to have fun, not stupid in-fighting with my teammates. I don't care who "won".
If I see a situation that would prevent me from having fun, I remove myself from the situation. Your eye for an eye mentality seems like all it would do is piss you off even further when you're just that much more likely to lose.
Furthermore, I've left so few games I can count them on 1 hand. I'm not really worried about the leave penalty, and since the game hadn't even officially started (the attackers weren't released yet) I'm not even sure if I would qualify for a penalty or not. It was quick play.
I do well with him since I play aggressively and not hang back too much. His Ult can be a gamechanger, no doubt. But the best thing is his wallhack arrows. It's so useful in helping out my team especially in Payload maps. Love playing as him.
Cross post from the other thread. General musings but maybe some helpful advice for those who find themselves grouping up and playing competitive, but aren't organized.
Chat isn't so bad with randoms and in PUGs. Don't focus on chat, focus on yourself. You can ignore the one troll, and nobody really uses mic anyway. In the end, skill matters most unless you're playing premade vs. premade. However...
I've noticed playing with full "groups" (i.e. random friends of people on my friends list), I'm encountered with way more anxiety and frustration than playing solo, or duo. There's no communication and also less fun, surprisingly. My suggestions for anybody else who has this problem.
#1. Learn how to play more than one role, decently, and do it without saying anything.
Somebody picks support, you pick damage. Same thing goes for tank and vice-versa.
#2. Switch when something isn't working, do it without saying anything.
When you're losing, or constantly getting shut down on a map, it isn't ALWAYS because of the picks. It's a FPS, sometimes, other players are fragging harder than you.
To suggest it's always a composition issue would imply that everybody isn't trying hard enough, or that nobody ever gets outplayed, it's just the wrong picks.
#3. If you're not comfortable playing the standard top-tier picks, you're not any better than a random
Playing with friends rocks, losing because of one of your friends playing an average D.Va, Zenyatta, Widow(attack or KOTH)... SUCKS.
Learn which tank is good for which comp, which flankers, etc.
#4. LEARN HOW TO LOSE.
So many times, people can't handle a close match ending up in a loss. Two of those? Half the group goes on break, or complains about something and generally ruins the rest of the session because theyre trying too hard.
I don't need others to add their emotional baggage to my experience.
If you can't adapt and roll with the punches, I'm wasting my time with you as a teammate.
Some suggestions. Ignore trolls. Have fun. Git gud.
Never be afraid to blame randoms when you lose, then blame teammates, then maybe blame yourself.
Chat isn't so bad with randoms and in PUGs. Don't focus on chat, focus on yourself. You can ignore the one troll, and nobody really uses mic anyway. In the end, skill matters most unless you're playing premade vs. premade. However...
I've noticed playing with full "groups" (i.e. random friends of people on my friends list), I'm encountered with way more anxiety and frustration than playing solo, or duo. There's no communication and also less fun, surprisingly. My suggestions for anybody else who has this problem.
#1. Learn how to play more than one role, decently, and do it without saying anything.
Somebody picks support, you pick damage. Same thing goes for tank and vice-versa.
#2. Switch when something isn't working, do it without saying anything.
When you're losing, or constantly getting shut down on a map, it isn't ALWAYS because of the picks. It's a FPS, sometimes, other players are fragging harder than you.
To suggest it's always a composition issue would imply that everybody isn't trying hard enough, or that nobody ever gets outplayed, it's just the wrong picks.
#3. If you're not comfortable playing the standard top-tier picks, you're not any better than a random
Playing with friends rocks, losing because of one of your friends playing an average D.Va, Zenyatta, Widow(attack or KOTH)... SUCKS.
Learn which tank is good for which comp, which flankers, etc.
#4. LEARN HOW TO LOSE.
So many times, people can't handle a close match ending up in a loss. Two of those? Half the group goes on break, or complains about something and generally ruins the rest of the session because theyre trying too hard.
I don't need others to add their emotional baggage to my experience.
If you can't adapt and roll with the punches, I'm wasting my time with you as a teammate.
Some suggestions. Ignore trolls. Have fun. Git gud.
Never be afraid to blame randoms when you lose, then blame teammates, then maybe blame yourself.
8-2 in placements ended up 57, quite pleased, last game took waayyy too long as neither side knew how to defend Hanamura, in the end we won the coinflip and attacked, probably not fair but ill take it.
optimus8936
Banned
I just got Pharahs Mechaqueen and Winstons explorer skins in the same box. Both characters I use a lot. And this is only a few boxes after I got Rescue Mei and Bastions Steambot in one box, and they are also characters I use a bit.
Luck flows through my veins.
Luck flows through my veins.
Incendiary
Banned
Best competitive match I played so far was on Volskaya. We attacked first and got both points with a little over 4 minutes left. Opponents attacked and steamrolled us and got both points with six and a half minutes left. Round two started, we attacked and got the first point but couldn't get the second before time. Then we had a balls-to-the-wall defense and ended up holding the other team off the first point for six and a half minutes to win the game. It was a lot of fun.
I like the overall setup of competitive because it makes things a little more interesting, but I'll be glad when they iron out all the kinks.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Got PotG as hanzo and it didn't even involve his ult. \o/
Don't play him as a sniper and he's pretty gun.
Don't play him as a sniper and he's pretty gun.
Forerunner
Member
Rough morning. I was one game from 60 went all the back to 57 and now I'm at 58. Plus I had to play a +20 minute game on Volskaya Industries.
backflip10019
Member
buy teh haloz
Banned
Enjoyed competitive a lot more today, even though I'm still losing a lot. Didn't run into any leavers which is nice.
I have decided that a well played Hanzo is a huge asset. Wallhack vision, easy kills on squishy targets at range and an Ult that charges quickly and can clear a point or destroy a charge if used well.
Hanzo gets ragged on because there are alot of bad ones out there but the good ones really make you appreciate the class. So much so that I decided to play him a little bit in Quick Play last night and ended up getting 4 Gold medals in a Numbani defense match (Elims, Obj. Elims, Damage and something else ). Overall, he has more utility than Widowmaker and in my opinion is a lot more fun to actually play.
Same.
You play on PC? Cuz the rumble in controller helps a lot.
Shortly after you left last night, we had a similar experience on Volskaya. Made me wonder why Blizzard chose not to use this method on Escort and Hybrid matches. (I know they're looking into adding it in the next season)
It was an interesting mach. On the first round, they went with stacked Pharahs and completely wrecked us. Then in the 3rd round, I went Reinhardt and shielded Torb's turret and that helped a lot in keeping the Pharahs from swarming us again.
Nocturnowl
Member
I would probably do the same, you don't deny a Zenyatta his shields, especially not in a dickish way.
I guess Steam controller is the next closest solution.
He who hooks last laughs loudest.
That's still a controller at the end of the day, so that's an automatic no go for me.
I think the closest solution would be this Subpac that I've been hearing about. There's a thread on it right now and I know T-Pain was using one for his OW streams. Too bad it's not available in Canada though....And it costs 330 bucks.
Finn of Ooo
Member
Usually by the time I realize I'm taking damage, I'm dead
MyNameIsRye
Member
Way to ruin it for the rest of your team because you had a petty argument that means nothing.
Orochinagis
Member
Jeez, Lv 90 players who only knows how to play hanzo, genji and tonborn and no one uses a tank or a healer is so damm confusing to me.
I usually pick Mercy or Lucio but is not enough to save them or hold an objetive for more than 5 seconds, and no one wants to switch for a tank in the entire match, even the other supports switchs to Mcgree or another hanzo
I usually pick Mercy or Lucio but is not enough to save them or hold an objetive for more than 5 seconds, and no one wants to switch for a tank in the entire match, even the other supports switchs to Mcgree or another hanzo
Mess with the sensitivity until it feels right. Use the Practice range.
I suppose adjusting the sensitivity to something you feel more comfortable with might help. And then once you start doing well like that, increase the sensitivity a little more and start again.
Alt-Fire until opponent is low enough to hook and kill, or if he hooks first and can't one shot you get off a primary fire, hook, primary fire, melee should do it.
Levels don't matter in this game, especially when you can still level up if you lose a match.
The one thing overtime/sudden death has taught me is that commitment can severly out trump individual skill levels, when people know there is a very small amount of time there is a real focus and often, very often (At the elo im at) it works. Makes you wonder why the fuck we spend most games dancing around not doing anything until it gets to that point.
real question is were they good?
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