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Yea, don't get too excited tho!
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Yea, don't get too excited tho!
MarioHead3
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KINGofCRA5H
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I guess I don't really have a problem with a Bastion as long as he is behind a Rein shield, maybe a Mercy too. It's still very situational, though. I mean it's just so easy to take Bastion out from a distance. A direct rocket and a few bullets from Soldier will melt a Bastion in turret form.
Bastion is fine as long as he's shredding guys. Don't care if people choose him on Attack if they know where to place him. I honestly don't care who people play as long as it ain't Widow.
Sick of tryhards screaming for heroes in the meta. Look at the pros who decided that 3 tanks and 3 supports can work too. You just need to know what to do.
Sick of tryhards screaming for heroes in the meta. Look at the pros who decided that 3 tanks and 3 supports can work too. You just need to know what to do.
PalaceBrother
Member
Your Bastion play was pretty aggressive. I was impressed. I did enjoy watching Rein knock you into the pit only to have you land on the bottom floor of another building.
Yeah, you can see it via a check mark under their name - but the problem is even while they're next to me I'll pop Zarya's ult and they won't use theirs, or worse they'll do it way too early. I don't think it's a solvable problem without mics.
I got a quad kill with it before that shitty match too. I let the Ult go off cuz they destroyed my mech and we were near the end. I wasn't gonna try and save it with no more time left. They act like I placed it there which was hilarious.
We had a close match and those fools act like we got steamrolled and called us "bad". They weren't dominating that much themselves. I stayed alive longer than them.
Bumbletron
Member
I'm personally of the opinion that if Zarya gets a nerf, it should be something small or indirect.
Her bubbles blocking los is something I'd be okay with getting changed.
For example, you say that Rein's earthshatter can't be escaped from, but did you know if Zarya bubbles herself in front of Rein, it blocks the entirety of his ult? It works based on the same LOS rules as other ults, and Zarya's bubbles block LOS. She can also block D.Va and Junkrat ult in the same way, and I'm pretty sure Mei's ult as well, though I need to test that one a bit more. If your team is behind Zarya when she does this, they'll be fine, even if it makes no sense whatsoever from the appearance of the situation.
LucidMomentum
Member
Is there a better feeling than stomping someone who trash talked you on your own team the previous game?
No, I think not.
Last night I had a guy who was really being annoying about passive aggressively telling us we all sucked. We draw on Numbani 1-1 and get no points.
Next match, he's on the other team on Gibraltar. I tell him "no draw this time"
We won.
A few games later, I play with someone else from that Numbani game and tell him "time for us to both get points!"
We won that one too.
Feels good man.
:O
That explains a lot. I've seen my bubbles block ults like that but I did it to save myself. Shielding teammates with my own bubble via LoS should be patched.
I love walking up to a D.Va explosion and getting that sweet 50 charge tho.
No, I think not.
Last night I had a guy who was really being annoying about passive aggressively telling us we all sucked. We draw on Numbani 1-1 and get no points.
Next match, he's on the other team on Gibraltar. I tell him "no draw this time
"We won.
A few games later, I play with someone else from that Numbani game and tell him "time for us to both get points!"
We won that one too.
Feels good man.
:O
That explains a lot. I've seen my bubbles block ults like that but I did it to save myself. Shielding teammates with my own bubble via LoS should be patched.
I love walking up to a D.Va explosion and getting that sweet 50 charge tho.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Went 6-4 in placement, got ranked at 2591.
Meh. That's what I get for solo-queuing I guess.
Meh. That's what I get for solo-queuing I guess.
finalflame
Banned
You're saying her bubble will protect the entire team from Rein ult? I was pretty sure it only protected her. I'd need to test this/see video evidence, as I swear I've seen my team get Rein ulted around me while I stayed standing because I was able to pop my bubble. Same with Junkrat ult; it saves me, but not my teammates, last I checked. And D.Va ult; the bubble absorbs damage for you, but not others.
Her bubbles do also negate Mei's freeze, in that it allows you (or a teammate with projected barrier) to walk out of it for the 2 seconds it lasts. For maximum utility, pop it at the last second before you're about to become immobile. This is also how I 1v1 Meis as Zarya when they get in my face.
I think it's part of her kit that makes her a high skill ceiling and rewarding hero to play.
Kor of Memory
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I've realized the win/loss thing isn't super important for placement.
Someone on reddit won all 10 matches and got placed lower than me, and I went 6W and 4L like you did. And I placed at 31XX.
If Zarya has a bubble up, when Rein's hammer comes down, Zarya's Bubble acts as a Line of Sight object, so anything behind it in relation to the hammer isn't actually impacted by the Ult.
This is a Zarya isn't really going ot be able to time that anyway, and if it happens, it's purely by chance.
I think if you are forward it might block earth shatter as it's a cone shape. Not sure though.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Fuck playing with randoms.
We were on the winning hand and one fucker decides to change from Lucio to tracer. Ofcourse he is a shitty tracer as well so we lost with less then a meter.
We were on the winning hand and one fucker decides to change from Lucio to tracer. Ofcourse he is a shitty tracer as well so we lost with less then a meter.
I had 4 wins and 5 losses and 1 draw. It placed me in Plat while other people who did better got Gold. Seems like it really doesn't matter unless you're doing really poorly.
Bumbletron
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https://clips.twitch.tv/mattz2007/ExcitedDolphinBatChest
Don't get me wrong, I love Zarya, but she is due for a nerf. And this is probably the best way to do it without severely harming her play.
optimus8936
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Kor of Memory
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That's super counter intuitive.
I'm in the boat that says Zarya doesn't seem to really be a problem.
I think she has great synergy with the current Meta, and that's all there is to it.
orthodoxy1095
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Oh yeah, I know the losses weren't that big a deal. I'm just a little salty that two of my losses had leavers in the first round
Bumbletron
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Zarya is more of a problem on PC, in my experience. People are able to track a whole lot better with the beam, and she gets 100 charge from one firestrike. So she does a bit too much solo damage when she gets up there. I think it's fine, since her charge depletes so fast, but something is almost certainly in the pipeline for her.
optimus8936
Banned
I mean, they don't have to make it too much shorter, just a little. But, yeah, I don't think a character needs a nerf just because they are very useful and a big part of the meta. I don't think she's OP.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
finalflame
Banned
Yah, I've never ever thought of this application of the bubble. What makes most sense is..
...this. It would make sense if Zarya is in Rein's face and is able to time her bubble while at the tip of the cone, it negates the ult. Like Kor said, though, that would be insanely hard to plan/time. But for all intents and purposes, working as intended. I think things like Junkrat and D.Va Ult are radial/spherical, though, so there's no way Zarya's barrier can negate them for teammates easily. I guess if someone is able to stand behind Zarya and it breaks LOS..that seems fine, though.
Thanks for the video. I honestly think this is a result of her barrier being right up in Ult's face and it being cone shaped, so she's negating the very tip of the cone. If anyone on PC wants to test this out with me a bit later, I'm down.
Kor of Memory
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Well this is the problem right here.
Zarya should never be getting more than 50 energy from a single Bubble. I could've sworn that's how it's always been or supposed to be.
Unless you're telling me that She's bubbling herself and someone else, in which case. The enemy Rein is totally at fault there.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I don't think she needs a nerf either but i also do think that she's undoubtably one of the most powerful characters in the game, if not the most powerful.
Kor of Memory
Member
Well maybe when Sombra comes out in 23 months she'll change up the Meta a bit.
>_>
>_>
Bumbletron
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The thing is, there isn't really a way to prevent that other than never fire striking. And if your Rein never throws out a fire strike, he will never have ult. You want your Rein to have ult.
Once you hit 60 in S1 or Diamond now, it's near impossible to keep Zarya away from full charge unless a stomp is happening on either side. If their team is stomping you, you'll never live long enough for the charge to be useful. If you are stomping them, you are likely never going to see them long enough to get charge on a payload map. Other than those circumstances, Zarya almost always has at least 60+ charge.
That's exactly what is happening, but it makes no sense tbh. Zarya can already negate quite a few ults herself, blocking Rein's via pure luck doesn't exactly seem like something that is intended. Saving people with your bubbles from it is fine, as that is intended. But the los effect seems a bit busted to me, and I have a lot of time on Zarya.
finalflame
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She doesn't get more than 50 from a single bubble, but she can bubble herself and someone else in the path of a Firestrike and get 100 energy., since Firestrike doesn't break on impact. If your team has their shit together you can both stand in the way of Firestrike while barrier'd, but I've never found teammates that do this. It's more effective to just bubble a teammate as they walk into fire, but I always get my free 50 energy from the enemy Rein's firestrike.
I guess a potential nerf could be to speed up her energy decay and keep barrier cooldowns the same. Not that I'm a fan of that idea, but, they could do it.
Yup, we'll have a bunch of shitty Sombras in Comp instead.
You can bait him into doing it but it's pretty difficult.
funny that on surefour stream a yesterday, he was in a game with a bastion main called arigato too. pc or ps4?
This game has maybe most toxic and disrespectful community out of any MP game I have played. This shit must be worse than MOBA scene. You have your normal dipshits who are just toxic in chat, abusive towards others as much as they can. Then you have these fuckers who intentionally throw games by running to their death constantly or just idling in spawn until round is over.
"Ranked has more competitive minded players" my ass, same dipship trolls as in QP.
"Ranked has more competitive minded players" my ass, same dipship trolls as in QP.
Kor of Memory
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You're acting like Rein is a Mandatory. If Zarya is going to be such a counter to him, then the answer is to not pick Rein. Just like every other character who feeds into another.
You don't pick Winston when the Enemy team has a Bastion.
You don't pick Roadhog when the Enemy team has a Zenyatta.
If you're telling me a Rein is worthless when there is a Zarya on the enemy team, then maybe it's the choice of Rein that's the problem, not the Zarya.
I think it's just as bad as any other FPS MP game. CS was probably the worst for me.
finalflame
Banned
Surefour was on the enemy team; he was playing against Harbleu/the Arigato Bastion. It was Harbleu's last game for the night, not sure about Surefour. I was watching Harbleu's stream
Yah, and honestly, Zarya doesn't counter Rein THAT hard. Firestrike when her bubbles are on CD. Just need to have some game awareness, which you should have anyways.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Wait when is zarya a rein counter?
Bumbletron
Member
On Payload, Rein is pretty much mandatory. It isn't that Zarya is a counter, just using that to point out that it is near impossible to keep Zarya from full charge. And I will point out that Zarya has no counter pick within the tanks, whereas all of the others do to some extent.
optimus8936
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There's nothing wrong with having a most powerful hero. It's almost impossible to not have that. A perfectly balanced game is like a unicorn. In a game where everyone counters someone, there will always be the weaker heroes and the stronger heroes. Let's worry about buffing the weaker heroes before thinking about the stronger heroes because, as of now, there really aren't any characters that are OP, imo.
Even in the last pick rate chart, Zarya was in the same tier as Rein, Winston, McCree, Lucio, and Zen, which they call the balanced heroes tier, so....
finalflame
Banned
Roadhog can fuck Zarya pretty good. His vape can mostly outheal her beam unless she is full charge (and even then, who hangs out around a full charge Zarya? the tell is pretty clear). His hook can be used when her barrier is down (just wait until it pops and hook her), and she is relatively squishy compared to other tanks and can be downed from full health with a good hook combo + follow-up.
She's not, people are complaining because Rein's Firestrike can serve as 50 ult charge on her personal barrier and another 50 on projected barrier if she somehow pops it on someone that's in the way + you absorb it as well. But a Rein can just wait for her bubbles to be on CD if he's even marginally paying attention.
well probably he got matched with lower team avg SR that locks him into his final SR after placement.
usually the individual contribution/achievement in the game will steer you to a bracket of SR players.
optimus8936
Banned
Eh, I have to disagree with this. As soon as Roadhog gets close enough, he shits on Zenyatta. I've never had a game where I have to switch off because of Zenyatta. He hurts Roadhog, but not enough to just not play him.
Bumbletron
Member
But Zarya will shut down Roadhog for a majority of the game. If Zarya is playing with her team and you can't reliably hook the Zarya, you'll do absolutely nothing for literally 3/4 of the game. You can't hook anyone on her team without them getting a barrier. And without his hooks, Hog is useless.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Though let's remember that the chart then is still pretty heavily in flux because the pro teams are trying out things to see what makes the meta different.
I doubt she'll be an s-tier, but i get the feeling that she'll be an a-tier pick. She's pretty much mandatory on koth and i think she'll feature in all the maps, with the wrinkle being that it'll either be rein/Winston or zarya/Winston for the more vertically oriented maps.
Kor of Memory
Member
There will always be exceptions to every rule, because every players skill level is different.
But Zenyatta is normally a pretty hard counter to Roadhog, able to solo him quite easily as long as he cant avoid/time the hook.
optimus8936
Banned
Again, have to disagree. Just focus on the Zarya and alt fire her. Your alt fire has a larger range than her beam. As soon as her shield goes down, hook her to the front lines and your team should go for her. Again, never had a game where I had to switch off because of Zarya.
I've never played a Zarya where I felt my hook was completely worthless. It still has a TON of value.
finalflame
Banned
Zarya's barrires are on CD for the most part, though. For every 2 seconds of barrier she has a 10/8 second cooldown. A good hog can just hook during the CD periods. It's not like she ALWAYS has her barriers up.
The "if X is playing with their team" part is true of most heroes. If Rein is playing with his team he's hard to shit on. If D.Va is playing with her team, she's hard to shit on, etc. People will inevitably stray. You see Zaryas get hooked and killed by Hog on pro/semipro/tournament streams all the time. It's a pretty decent counter if you're a competent hog.
Yah, but Zenyatta is pretty slow/predictable with his movement and easy to hook.
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