optimus8936
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That's because top play mainly uses him for his ult. Even Seagull said that. So the triple jump and combo nerfs didn't affect them really that much.
I'm talking about everyone else here.
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I'm talking about everyone else here.
This definitely hasn't been my experience. I played a ton of competitive games in season 1, and it was way better than MOBA toxic rage. It's maybe on the same level of CSGO but probably less rage since I see people asking other players be reported less.
I think it helps that games are only 20-30 minutes fairly often. 30+ minutes is a nightmare of rage in any game.
finalflame
Banned
Genji is still perfectly powerful. sitting in C-tier with Tracer, Reaper, and Mercy.
His nerf was perfectly reasonable. They removed the ridiculous double jump reset which allowed him to have prohibitive evasiveness, an unintended animation cancelling combo (OW is not an animation cancelling game), bullshit dashing through CC, and took away 2 seconds form his ult. His ult still wrecks face, combo'd or not, and good Genjis are still good, he's just not the headache he used to be unchecked.
optimus8936
Banned
You shouldn't.
That last point is very similar to Kings Row. At least it feels similar. And that map is one of the most liked here, so...
I love that people are fighting over Zarya and I'm literally just figuring out how to play her right, haha. LTTP in this thread too, even though I think I've come to the conclusion that this is my GOTY due to how much I've played it.
I need to finish my placement matches. I think I'll do that today. Maybe stream later that way I can get some advice from GAF on my play? Would anyone watch and give me advice?
Also, while we're on the subject of nerfs/buffs, what do you guys think Torbjorn needs? He's my most played character by far, and while I don't think he's BAD, I do think there could be some minor things done to him that would really help, like maybe being able to shoot his turret to fix it or maybe even just having it explode and do a small amount of AOE damage when it's destroyed.
I need to finish my placement matches. I think I'll do that today. Maybe stream later that way I can get some advice from GAF on my play? Would anyone watch and give me advice?
Also, while we're on the subject of nerfs/buffs, what do you guys think Torbjorn needs? He's my most played character by far, and while I don't think he's BAD, I do think there could be some minor things done to him that would really help, like maybe being able to shoot his turret to fix it or maybe even just having it explode and do a small amount of AOE damage when it's destroyed.
I fucking LOVE the new map.
Kayo Police
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Unless he's talking about the actual castle itself (Which has two entrances) the final room has 2 long flanking routes that pretty much take you right next to the enemy spawn.
The hardest part of Eichenwalde (IMO) is the second checkpoint after you first capture the payload. It's the part I've failed most at.
The hardest part of Eichenwalde (IMO) is the second checkpoint after you first capture the payload. It's the part I've failed most at.
Yeah I was telling him a lot of maps are kinda like that too so I just thought he wanted to complain about something.
LurkerPrime
Member
There's a giant chokepoint at the final corner, yeah. But it is one of the least vertical chokepoints I can think of--anyone in the air pretty much has free reign. NinjaEdit: Clearly I need to play this map more... I didn't realise there were side entrances.
If you mean the door itself, same deal, except there's multiple side entrances.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
They very rarely balance at our level though, so I don't think it's as relevant.
Also I still see him as the flanker of choice in vertically oriented maps like hollywood, dorado and numbani. After the nerf I still see top tier players like shadowburn, Tviq and nanohana doing insane plays with him even without his ult.
He can't fly across the map anymore but he still gets to places where few other characters can with ease.
Now that's something.
Bumbletron
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Hammer speed has to be fixed for one. Making lv 1 turret better would help too
I was thinking about it the other day. I think it's maybe about time they reverted the damage nerf on his turrets (same with Symmetra). I think the player base got better now for it not to be a problem anymore.
optimus8936
Banned
The thing about the triple jump nerf is that literally every Genji did it. It became second nature for most, including me. I never even though it was something special until I saw those patch notes because I just thought it was something that you don't think about much.
I mean, these are some of the of the best Genjis in the world, of course they're gonna wreck everything. No nerf will affect them.
The triple jump nerf was uncalled for.
I disagree with this, because at average / platinum levels, Genji is still a nightmare to pin down unless he burns his dash and ends up next to a Winston, or unless a McCree hits him with a flashbang while the reflect is down. He and Tracer are the most irritating champions to hit, and I'd rather the game didn't go in that direction.
TheLetdown
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It's the situational irony that makes avatar quotes classic, not any actuality.
You seem to align fairly closely with how I feel about Zarya, in that she's counterable but very well-situated in the meta.
Doesn't change the fact that an avatar quote at that moment was well-timed. You should've seen that coming!
He is still most mobile hero in the game and nightmare to pin down if player using him knows his stuff. Pre-patch it was pure hell.
Wyndstryker
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Can someone tell me how I as Ana get 3 golds on Hanamura attack. Elims, Healing, Obj Kills. When my team had a Zen, Winston, McCree, 76, Genji. Bronze damage at the end of it all too.
The console symmetra nerf is the dumbest shit ever. At the time she was one of my most played but I never touch her now.
And yeah, torb didn't need to be hit now. The problem was always when the team had stacks which don't matter now.
optimus8936
Banned
I think Symm is still amazing at her best situations, turret nerf or not.
I agree it was a dumb nerf, but I think she is still just as good.
But yeah, bring Torb back. Everyone should have figured out how to counter him by now.
Kayo Police
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Simple, Winston dived in alone/without back up so he got burned down.
The others? Easy they couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. It's painfully obvious when you have a McCree that can't aim.
Which kind of leads to me to another question... Why are so many players, so dead set on only/mostly playing a DPS Hero when they're mechanic skills (well aiming honestly) are questionable at best.
Also I never understood the obsession with the same DPS Heroes always wanting to flank instead of pushing up with the team. It's like fighting with the team is such a bizarre idea to them.
Wyndstryker
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And you hit everything spot on.
Winston kept flanking on the left side on virtual suicide missions.
76 activated his ult from one of the platforms then quickly jumped down into the trench area...where no one was at.
Zen was trying to help the genji at times but was quite unsuccessful.
McCree kept getting shot down by their PharMercy combo.
Their Zarya kept shielding their Pharah.
Pharah had a pocket Mercy
Their McCree was good
The Dva kept denying the genji
Their Zen had orb on either Mercy or Zarya.
I'm sitting back hoping for a regroup that never came, so I just keep trying to snipe into the point and heal people from at range cause I really wouldn't suicide into the point.
People in this game are insufferable sometimes.
Like, good for you Hanzo player. You have a bunch of gold medals in a ranked nepal game.
Meanwhile, your team lost every round. And then you proceeded to call us faggots and tell us to suck your dick on mic because the rest of the team asked you to switch.
Shit like this makes me not want to play OW at all.
Like, good for you Hanzo player. You have a bunch of gold medals in a ranked nepal game.
Meanwhile, your team lost every round. And then you proceeded to call us faggots and tell us to suck your dick on mic because the rest of the team asked you to switch.
Shit like this makes me not want to play OW at all.
OdysseusVA
Banned
working as intended
Kayo Police
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Haha. Playing mostly support really opens your eyes to how disjointed and maligned alot of players are.
I'm not saying I'm some god tier player, I'm not, I know my faults, I painfully know them.
But there are matches you know you'll lose instantly only after a minute or 2 of just observing your team.
Then there are times when magically they all spawn in a way that allows the team to actually coordinate sorta and you actually manage to win. Hah.Haha. Playing mostly support really opens your eyes to how disjointed and maligned alot of players are.
I'm not saying I'm some god tier player, I'm not, I know my faults, I painfully know them.
But there are matches you know you'll lose instantly only after a minute or 2 of just observing your team.
finalflame
Banned
I'll admit I was kind of waiting for it to happen
Home now, anyone wanna dick around on PC?
optimus8936
Banned
Had a Rein on Hanamura offense who kept running into the first point and dying. I immediately thought "well, this is a loss." Well, he got his shit together and we rolled through the second point and won the match.
These people exist, the people who change things. They feel rare, but they're there and I love them.
These people exist, the people who change things. They feel rare, but they're there and I love them.
MarioHead3
Banned
I'll admit I was kind of waiting for it to happen
Home now, anyone wanna dick around on PC?
Would you be okay with playing with a level 1 player?
Kayo Police
Member
MarioHead3
Banned
Finally made the switch to the dark side?
Like 3 days ago, yes.
I've so far only played one custom match against AI in which I almost lost.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I mean, definitely don't call people those things or ask people to suck your dick, but I've been wondering about people automatically calling people to switch because it doesn't fit the meta. If what he said is true and he's doing his job by securing picks does he necessarily need to change or is it more on the rest of the team?
Like I'll bitch about people's picks here, but I mostly just let people play what they want at the start and then ask them to change if it doesn't seem to work out. Mostly just a polite "I'm cool with you playing what you want first up but can you please change if it doesn't work".
Wyndstryker
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Haha. Playing mostly support really opens your eyes to how disjointed and maligned alot of players are.
I'm not saying I'm some god tier player, I'm not, I know my faults, I painfully know them.
But there are matches you know you'll lose instantly only after a minute or 2 of just observing your team.
Yup, I pretty much main tanks and support now so I can easily see how bad a lot of DPS's are.
I've long since come to the conclusion that this is why ELO Hell exists.
1: Most people pick DPS
2: Because most people pick DPS the game will skewer stats up since DPS stats are weighted higher.
3: Because of the higher DPS stat weighting they get into higher ranks after placement.
4: Since a lot of the DPS players are absolute garbage the moment they're forced to actually pick a non-DPS or have to coordinate they're lost.
5: Because you also have good players who are not DPS making their way up the ranks, as well as good DPS in said ranks, the bad ones will very easily start losing many games quickly.
6: Since the bad DPS were skewered so high initially, when everything comes into place you're gonna be falling down fast.
7: Good tanks / support are way less in number than DPS. So chances are you will join a group with bad DPS players.
8: Most bad DPS players think they're awesome because they see gold medals when in reality they're not really contributing. Whats the point of getting say 90 elims but you're sitting back while your team gets ripped apart on the point. Blame the team is the first option, but what about actually killing the enemies while standing on the point?
Just cause you hit Diamond doesn't mean you're safe from the bad DPS. There are A LOT of them still making their descent. Some might have some skill and slow the descent but they're still falling.
This is why I really want replays to come out. If a person isn't told what exactly they're doing wrong they will never improve and until people improve we'll be stuck with a million bad DPS players.
LurkerPrime
Member
I think people count in stars now.
MarioHead3
Banned
Shake Appeal
Member
I can't. I. What. Teammates? Hello?
Help.
Help.
Shake Appeal
Member
Typo? Did you mean Rez of the Game?
MarioHead3
Banned
I've done it before. It's certainly possible.
It probably helps that the match lasted less than 5 minutes.
wild wild rice
Member
I really enjoyed the free weekend, but hearing shit like this is a major turnoff, especially since i have zero interest in competitive play, metagames or whatever the fuck. Even in Quick Matches? Why? What happened to fun? Blizzard shouldn't allow their game to cater to people like this.
Maybe I should just stick to Splatoon. This is why when people say "lol no voice chat" or "lol not balanced for true competitive play" I can only think, halle-fuckin-lujah.
Wyndstryker
Member
It's possible. I still need to upload my Ana POTG which I treasure highly lol.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You can disable voice/text chat. Or stick to quick play where people are much looser.
Tired of this man. Putting in work getting no love, while mercy since this last patch gets rez of the game every 4 seconds
THESE BOOST DONT COME FREE PLAYBOI GIVE ME THE POTG
Wyndstryker
Member
Ok, just quickly cut out my Ana POTG
https://youtu.be/d3xalWMK13Y
It should've been a Lifesaver which it really was but oh well.
https://youtu.be/d3xalWMK13Y
It should've been a Lifesaver which it really was but oh well.
finalflame
Banned
Of course! Feel free to add me: darkatnight#1407
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