I feel like this is only really true at the highest levels of play.
Take it from me, there are tons of less skilled players in the lower ranks that like Soldier and Pharah, because it's easier to output damage. You need to be a better aim to get the most out of a MCcree.
I honestly wonder how much the problems being spoken of here are minor to Blizzard when they look at the full scope of character usage across all levels of play. Will they tune specifically for the higher level and hope for a trickle-down effect, or are they content with character usage being very different and predictable at the highest levels?
Yeah. Mei is weird because just purely buffing her would just make playing against her feel even more like torture.And I would agree with this. Except they have characters like Junkrat and Mei to already do this, and they aren't good enough. Defense is still better off just running a Lucio/Zen powerhouse team too and just run themselves into the fight first.
Yeah. Mei is weird because just purely buffing her would just make playing against her feel even more like torture.
Actually that's kinda true for most of the defensive heroes.
And I would agree with this. Except they have characters like Junkrat and Mei to already do this, and they aren't good enough. Defense is still better off just running a Lucio/Zen powerhouse team too and just run themselves into the fight first.
Anne, you wrote a pretty comprehensive write up about why the Defense heroes aren't working, but it felt to me that it was contingent on Speedboost+Discord making rushes too overpowering for defense heroes to meaningfully stop.
I took it to mean that defense heroes ARE good, just undermined by the Zencio combo. Do you think that if that was properly brought in line, the Defense heroes would be more viable?
It is interesting that the support heroes seem so hard to balance.
Other than defense heroes being generally trash and mccree deleting pharah and soldier out of existence-
I guess tanks are generally good! Except for zen deleting roadhog too-
YEASSSS TAKE THAT LIK
Fuck off
I have to know what I missed.
Hanzo/widow are just ass for other reasons. Like, they are just hopelessly garbage as is. There will always be a better hitscan option than Widow as she is now. Hanzo /might/ have some wiggle room as an offense hero at some point maybe? He's just so unreliable outside of certain map specific scattershots and other nonsense.
First Genji, now Lucio? You monsters won't stop till the meta is Mei won't you?!
Well, I don't think Widow is meant to be the highest DPS. She's meant to be the highest DPS that you can't immediately respond to because she's half the map away from you. The problem with Widow, as I see it anyway, is that she is completely and utterly helpless as soon as someone decides to go after her ass. She has no way to respond to the vast majority of the heroes just being medium range, let alone close range. If a sniper is picking off heroes from a distance, she doesn't really need to be the highest DPS hitter, the same way Tracer doesn't need to be killing enemies when her thing is to be an annoying twat that keeps the enemy distracted. She needs a better ult, more mobility, and maybe the ability to lay down more than one poison mine at a time, and she might actually be able to survive long enough to make a difference. So she needs a buff to her kit.
Hanzo is the same way, though more midrange. You need to be good at him, but his arrows can be an unholy mess if you can get consistent headshots or even hits with it. But I play at a mid-skill range, so maybe I'm talking out of my ass. I just have been effective as Hanzo and had an effective Hanzo against me, and we might see a resurregence in a post Zencio world.
That said, Pharah re-entering the meta is a concern. Her counters SHOULD be Hanzo and Widow, but aiming is hard, moreso on console.
I mean, really what does Widow do besides deal damage? She is a DPS that gets her damage from farther away. The farther away part doesn't matter though cause McCree/Soldier just outright deal higher and more consistent damage. Her ult is cool but it's not worth losing the damage over. I guess I shouldn't call Widow ass, she's just not good enough to be meta the way she is now in comparison to other DPS heroes. If things slow down she'll be a bit better but even then, why not McCree?
Hanzo is similar except he actually can output more damage. The problem is his damage is really inconsistent, so why would you pick it? Unless tournament players become psychics with amazing aim (I won't rule that out), they'll just pick McCree. Even in psychic aimbot pro player land McCree probably deals more damage on average.
Not a good game tonight. Back down to 65 from 67.
At least you were able to get to 67. I've been stuck between 64-65 for the last few days.
67 seems to be a struggle against full groups. I think I'll just end up playing with groups of 2-3 max. We seem to have better luck that way. So apologies to all Gaffers who want a full group.
First Genji, now Lucio? You monsters won't stop till the meta is Mei won't you?!
We should group up 6v6 because it puts hair on the chest.
We should group up 6v6 because it puts hair on the chest.
YEASSSS TAKE THAT LIK
Fuck off
67 seems to be a struggle against full groups. I think I'll just end up playing with groups of 2-3 max. We seem to have better luck that way. So apologies to all Gaffers who want a full group.
Okay I laughed
I didn't think Reaper mains were capable of laughter.
What if they made her be able to skate along using her blaster like she does in that one highlight intro she has.they should unironically rework mei so that she's actually good and not miserable to with and against
I didn't think Reaper mains were capable of laughter.
6v6 GAF games? That's already happened. Multiple times. It ended in sadness every time.
It's in the refrigerator makes me die, the way he says "the jellos jiggling" is just the best.
That sadness should be met with the realization that we have to get better. It's our call to GIT GUD!
It's good practice to play the game it was intended to be. If we lose, we should strive to get better! not take the easy way out!
I believe you mean to say it makes you die, die, die.
C'mon man, you gotta unleash your inner edgelord. Don't fear it. Embrace it.
Any time someone disagrees with me? Die Die Die
But then it'll be like BST where it's an ongoing joke that ends up as the next OT title and then I have to flee in shame ;_;
I believe you mean to say it makes you die, die, die.
C'mon man, you gotta unleash your inner edgelord. Don't fear it. Embrace it.
I didn't start playing Overwatch to be challenged. I was just here for the dank ass memes and then you all had to go and make it a serious thing.
#MakeOverwatchGreatAgain