Ghost is Bad
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if only there was a tank that could heal people
then we'd see 5 tanks :^)
then we'd see 5 tanks :^)
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BossDarkseid
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If anyone wants to play later/at some point... BossDarkseid#2901 . PC/EU.
If I'm playing OW i'm probably also in a Discord chat with friends I might not voice chat in game but I'll still be in Team Chat to hear other people etc ofc. I'm around 2900SR and tend to play Mercy.
I occasionally have a tendency to panic Ult, but otherwise I try to wait until the person won't die immediately, or there's some distraction (like a D.va nuke)...I can do Zenyatta and Lucio ok, I think Zen is very useful if the other team go triple tank...but I can get into a habit of being all Battle Zenyatta.
I want to try and get to 3000SR/Diamond with my friend first so might not be available for a day or two, but would be happy to help anyone.
If I'm playing OW i'm probably also in a Discord chat with friends I might not voice chat in game but I'll still be in Team Chat to hear other people etc ofc. I'm around 2900SR and tend to play Mercy.
I occasionally have a tendency to panic Ult, but otherwise I try to wait until the person won't die immediately, or there's some distraction (like a D.va nuke)...I can do Zenyatta and Lucio ok, I think Zen is very useful if the other team go triple tank...but I can get into a habit of being all Battle Zenyatta.
I want to try and get to 3000SR/Diamond with my friend first so might not be available for a day or two, but would be happy to help anyone.
GAH, WHY DID I PLAY OTHER GAMES. I NOW SUCK AT OVERWATCH.
Or at least, the last couple of rounds on the new Oasis map I have not been fairing well. I'm contributing less than what I feel is necessary. The map has this nice combination of clausterphobia, color, and verticality that just messes with my senses -- but that doesn't excuse my skills going to shit (even shittier than they already were!)
Or at least, the last couple of rounds on the new Oasis map I have not been fairing well. I'm contributing less than what I feel is necessary. The map has this nice combination of clausterphobia, color, and verticality that just messes with my senses -- but that doesn't excuse my skills going to shit (even shittier than they already were!)
Yeah but that's an ult so should be powerful. Being able to hack a Reinhardt shield every 12 seconds from behind your own would be stupid.
Can sit behind your own reinhardt shield and hack. The team without Sombra loses every fight so you have to run Sombra or you lose. It's just replacing one essential hero for another. That's not how you fix things.
No idea, maybe I can do a few.
Relevant video from overwatch central today
Shake Appeal
Member
Something else they could do for Sombra is have hack suspend cooldowns. As it is, hacking Roadhog is pretty good because it stops him healing, but it's basically worthless at denying him hook unless you time it well. (Hack lasts 6s, hook CD is 6s.)
My mental checklist for hack or not at this point is...
Hack before engaging wherever possible:
Ana, Mercy, Sombra, Tracer, Genji, D.Va, S76, Mei
(All of these heroes have annoying abilities that will allow them to escape or negate your damage in some dumb way, and they all get panicky when you deny them it. Mei is still an issue because engaging her at your optimal range is bad, and S76/D.Va are still horrible because of their ridiculous stats, but you should still fuck with them.)
Hack is inessential, but great if you can get it off:
Reinhardt, Zarya, Reaper, Roadhog, Pharah
(Mostly these hacks benefit the team and don't make killing the heroes in question all that much easier for you. Rein and Zarya are the pick of the bunch because even random solo q teammates will reliably focus fire them when they see their shields are down. The real issue with Rein is any situation where you can get a hack off on him with ease, he's probably already fucked up.)
Just try to left-click them to death:
Zenyatta, Hanzo, Lucio, Widow, Torb, Symmetra, McCree*, Bastion**
(In all cases, hacking these heroes doesn't deny them much utility and you're better off getting the jump on pouring out your damage. Some of these are really bad 1v1s to take, though, so have transloc available.)
*Avoid in general unless he's lit or you're sure flash is down.
**Unless he's firing on your team, in which case hacking him could save lives.
My mental checklist for hack or not at this point is...
Hack before engaging wherever possible:
Ana, Mercy, Sombra, Tracer, Genji, D.Va, S76, Mei
(All of these heroes have annoying abilities that will allow them to escape or negate your damage in some dumb way, and they all get panicky when you deny them it. Mei is still an issue because engaging her at your optimal range is bad, and S76/D.Va are still horrible because of their ridiculous stats, but you should still fuck with them.)
Hack is inessential, but great if you can get it off:
Reinhardt, Zarya, Reaper, Roadhog, Pharah
(Mostly these hacks benefit the team and don't make killing the heroes in question all that much easier for you. Rein and Zarya are the pick of the bunch because even random solo q teammates will reliably focus fire them when they see their shields are down. The real issue with Rein is any situation where you can get a hack off on him with ease, he's probably already fucked up.)
Just try to left-click them to death:
Zenyatta, Hanzo, Lucio, Widow, Torb, Symmetra, McCree*, Bastion**
(In all cases, hacking these heroes doesn't deny them much utility and you're better off getting the jump on pouring out your damage. Some of these are really bad 1v1s to take, though, so have transloc available.)
*Avoid in general unless he's lit or you're sure flash is down.
**Unless he's firing on your team, in which case hacking him could save lives.
Result of my solo queues today, 3 and 5. Can't beat em fam.
US.
I just came back to the game and I jumped into Competitive to learn Ana. I was learning her during my placement matches so I got placed in Platinum, now I can't climb out of that rank.
US.
I just came back to the game and I jumped into Competitive to learn Ana. I was learning her during my placement matches so I got placed in Platinum, now I can't climb out of that rank.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
my friends who are way higher rank then me (3500-3700) say that if Ana doesn't have gold healing above Lucio on the same team, then the Ana sucks but I can never manage it
do I suck
do I suck
Darryl M R
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76 is so easy mode and I love it. I gave up on the dream of being a cool Genji user
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7eLszbtB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7eLszbtB4
A Lucio that never uses speed boost should have Gold healing over Ana.
But that would be the Lucio's fault, not the Ana's.
So yeah, if you're playing at lower levels with Lucios that just leave Healing Aura on all the time, it's not your fault.
Lucios that don't use speed should just be playing Zenyatta.
BossDarkseid
Member
No. If a Lucio uses speed boost well then he would probably have lower healing than Ana thanks to her E/ LMB etc. If Lucio never used it, then that's on him (or the enemy team just had that game where they dealt so much damage, opportunities for much Speed Boosts were rare).
Banjo Tango
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WTF? I love that shit. Absolute chaos in the OT, game flips... Not even mad when we lose to that.
Are you actually asking that teams try not to win? Wasted time? I do not understand this line of thinking at all.
I'm not sure that's true.
Lucio seems to have a 2-3 thousand healing advantage on Ana at any level on this chart. Ana's advantage isn't constant heals, but burst healing back to maximum while providing a massive offensive debuff. Granted, I haven't been playing Ana long, but optimal play is a constant dance between healing and offense. Trying to beat out your Lucio for gold healing will put your team on their back foot.
This is a good point too.
Shake Appeal
Member
As people have said, if Lucio sticks on heals, it'll be hard. Also, people don't consistently three- or four-tank at lower ranks, so there just aren't the same deep pools to burst heal.
Lucio gets high healing numbers really easily because he heals multiple people at once whenever his healing aura is on. Ana's strength lies in healing big health pools fast, not healing multiple people at once.
If you have a lot of flankers + don't have a lot of tanks + your tanks habitually overextend and die, then Ana's numbers won't be very high.
I'd say a good Ana is measured more by things like aim, decision making and positioning.
If you have a lot of flankers + don't have a lot of tanks + your tanks habitually overextend and die, then Ana's numbers won't be very high.
I'd say a good Ana is measured more by things like aim, decision making and positioning.
Even in Diamond, it's 2-2-2 every single game (or 3-1-2 sometimes). I've never played a triple or quadruple tank game in Competitive.
I'd put $5 down on you not noticing a D.Va with her Defense Matrix up.
Although I have seen clips of Gravitons bugging through walls and disappearing or whatever, so it's possible it was a glitch.
BossDarkseid
Member
this. when I used to play Zarya...I'd swear I fired her Ult and it dropped through the ground or something. I mean there may have been a bug but D.va's Defense Matrix eats things.
Garrett Hawke
Member
They chose a rly weird position for the menu screen on oasis
It's like the least visually interesting part of that map they could find lmao
It's like the least visually interesting part of that map they could find lmao
Wow. I'd say 1/3 of my games has a triple tank on either team. And this is at gold.
My hypothesis was that all the Tank mains climbed to Master/GM, leaving Diamond with nothing but DPS/Support mains.
Vol5
Member
Bloody hell. It could be that. And all this time I've been thinking the game is bugging out. Lol
LucidMomentum
Member
Something I haven't tried yet on Ilios Well is using Graviton on the top half of the inner wall of it to "suck" people into the pit.
Would that work or does the inner wall just eat it?
Would that work or does the inner wall just eat it?
BossDarkseid
Member
Even with a triple tank meta (seems to be Roadhog and Soldier 76 being super useful so S76 can help nuke anyone Roadhog hooks)...the idea of 2-2-2 still seems to be preferable.
Sometimes the other team have a weird comp but Zenyatta can be so useful if you go up against a triple tank meta because his Discord Orb + basically any sizeable bit of burst damage just burst down pretty much anyone...it's also pretty good in combo with Roadhog because if he hooks someone you can Discord Orb the target and let loose and even if its another tank you will come out on top.
I haven't come across many teams who don't protect the support (but if you're well co-ordinated they don't really have to go out of their way to do that)...but a persistent Pharah who never gets countered can royally screw you over.
Sometimes the other team have a weird comp but Zenyatta can be so useful if you go up against a triple tank meta because his Discord Orb + basically any sizeable bit of burst damage just burst down pretty much anyone...it's also pretty good in combo with Roadhog because if he hooks someone you can Discord Orb the target and let loose and even if its another tank you will come out on top.
I haven't come across many teams who don't protect the support (but if you're well co-ordinated they don't really have to go out of their way to do that)...but a persistent Pharah who never gets countered can royally screw you over.
BossDarkseid
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LucidMomentum
Member
Oh I know it interacts with Mei Ice Wall and the sides of Lijang Tower, but I've never thought to do it into the well. Might try it in a pub game though.
Bumbletron
Member
Are people still wanting Rein nerfs? What?
Rein doesn't need a nerf, he's the most balanced tank as of right now.
Just hit GM on PC, I'm done playing comp till the fix this boring ass meta.
man that other team is awful.
Nah Winston is the most balanced. Zarya is pretty balanced as well now.
Reinhardt is weird. He's balanced but at the same time is absolutely necessary in 95% of games. It seems almost impossible to push through CPs without Reinhardt. except for maybe Anubis.
That's such a typical Roadhog. Roadhog should be terrifying in 3v3 but they always charge in alone thinking they can't die with that heal.
With that pick rate there should at least be a discussion. I don't understand why so many people immediately dismiss the idea that he might be OP. I get it that Rein is designed in a way that feels very fair, being melee and slow. But I think his damage and crowd control potential is a bit high for a hero that has a fast recharging 2000 hp shield and a shit ton of health.
finalflame
Banned
The game will never be entire "fixed" or perfectly balanced. Changing the meta often means foregoing one essential hero for another, or meaning that one hero's counter to something makes another hero less viable in most competitive scenarios. And that's ok. Metas will always change, and striving for perfect balance/for the game to be fully " fixed" is a losing battle.
Ricerocket
Member
As expected, Ana needed a nerf and D.Va did needed some tweaks.
Still think they'll be used.
Still think they'll be used.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I still feel that's not enough honestly.
Definitely not enough on any of them but it's a start.
Get your hands off my Ana.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Omg it's happening.
I like the kill feed changes.
I like the kill feed changes.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
thank fuck but i feel like dva and ana will still be too strong
Garrett Hawke
Member
Wow, was expecting it to be 30% with Ana.
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