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scoobs
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You'd love Pharah then
Yeah I do like pharah, I was getting matched up with Nil and Weku though in placements and they're both top 500. Would just shoot me out of the air in like 0.1 secs.
I did put my name on the list thingy, but because I'm so low ranked I can't do comp with anybody as I'm out of range of their rank. (I'm Danj#2393, mainly on EU but I also play a bit on NA as well)
I don't think I'm the worst player in the world, just mediocre-to-average, but because of the way comp matchmaking works (badly) I always seem to be on the losing team.
In comp you either get stomped or are the team doing the stomping, there is rarely ever any middle ground at this rank. Matchmaking should work more like QP - consider the hidden MMR rating first, then the rank number second - that way matches would be less one-sided and more interesting. If the team I'm on wins a KOTH match after taking it all the way to the fifth round for example, it feels way more satisfying than a capture/payload stomp.
Red Arremer
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Honestly I'd rather take a reasonably competent Junkrat/Torbjörn in a lower ranked match than forcing them to use a Support character and have them utterly faceplant.
Also, I have exactly the same experience as he does, and I almost exclusively play support/tank.
I think that people should strive to play all the characters initially. Get used to their weaknesses and strengths so you know how to counter them.
That said, I'd rather a useless Lucio than a Torb.
Red Arremer
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You're only looking at his Season 2 competitive stats. For all you know, he's played 100 hours of Lucio in QP/Season 1.
I just got the game too on pc but played on ps4 before. Only rank 21 though. EU too. Jellie#21742.
Junk is fine. Torb sucks.
You can get some hard carry stuff done as Zarya in lower ranks, but mostly playing support or tank just doesn't feel good in the end. If your team loses you lose more SR than shittiest DPS in the team and if your team wins you gain less than that shittiest DPS player.
If person X is useless Lucio or Torb what it matters which he plays? He most likely ends up doing a lot bad plays and getting himself killed 24/7 because of it, so his value for team is very low no matter what. If Danj is decent Tjorb or Junkrat he should start favoring Rat, there is some awesome potential in that hero.
I'm guessing you're not too confident in your aim with those picks. Spend some time in qp with McCree and Tracer.
LucidMomentum
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I have so much fun in QP as Tracer. Getting to the point where I'm no longer scared to play her in comp.
QP is a great way to blow off steam after a stupid ranked match.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Not even those. Soldier is better for the lower levels. Mccree and tracer have too high of a skill ceiling. No offense meant to you danj, because I'm not great as them either, but for dps learning soldier in the lower ranks is a better bet.
Red Arremer
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I know. I was more referring to the one-sidedness of competitive in lower ranks, what with it being a curbstomp on either side. I'm in the 1600s (was 1400s in S1), and it's ridiculous. There's very few matches where I think it was fair.
In fact, one of my placement matches was a team (mine) of unranked and a Bronze tier player premade with one of the unrankeds, facing up against a Platinum, a Gold, a Silver and 3 unranked players, the last 4 of which were in a premade group together.
Thanks I will add you.
Junk is pretty bad on pc outside of a few specific chokes. Everyone has superior aim as soon as go into the open you will get murdered.
At least there's some passive healing going out. Not to mention that the usefulness of Lucio is much higher than that of Torb once he learns how to play either of them.
I hover around 2550, keep going up and down by 100 every fucking day. Rolfstomps are still very common at this SR and matches that feel or are even are too damn rare. Especially when I was at edge of 2500 for first time this season, every time win would have given me 2500+ I went against team that utterly rolfstomp destroyed my team.
Edit: Also for S3 Blizz needs to look at if placed players are allowed to carry unranked friends through placements. Not fun to get your SR utterly fucked because carrytrains keep popping up in que.
I wish it were so but no. I'm not much good with Lucio, I can't get the wallriding thing to work for the life of me.
I'm glad I'm not the only one finding matches very one-sided at this rank.
Red Arremer
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I didn't think you had those stats on him, but I'm just saying that Season 2 competitive stats are not necessarily reflective of actual stats.
In fact, Lucio is one of my most-played, but I barely touched him in Season 2 comp because he generally always had already been picked, so I usually went tank/secondary support.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You don't really need to wallride as lucio.
It helps you get to certain positions faster but it's not a make or break thing.
It helps you get to certain positions faster but it's not a make or break thing.
I wouldn't use prometa as any indicator for what you are going to encounter in rankedQ. People tend to pick what ever they like and too many don't care if their pick works for team comp. I would say that focus on heroes you are good with and try make picks that support rest of teams roster.
Ah, yea, I really should just play the game more lol. Still looking for matches to watch though
just search for 'Season 2 Competitive Meta' and you'll get a bunch of videos. Lots of Youtubers have been fixated on the meta and teaching people how to play for S2. Way more than in S1.
Red Arremer
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To piggyback off of to this, I would also recommend trying to learn at least one or two heroes of each of the 3 main roles (DPS, healer, tank).
LucidMomentum
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Yep! Overwatch Central is a good pick, but be warned if you watch the stream when they play comp they kind of just two stack and ignore people which is a bummer.
Also has anyone ever had success getting random players to not trickle in one by one after a lost team fight? It's like trying to part the red sea most of the time.
This is what I try and do but at this rank it doesn't often make a difference.
Incendiary
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Had a match last night where I was paired with a group of 4 - three Platinums and a Diamond. (I'm still Gold for reference.) The Diamond was a pretty good Roadhog, but on Defense nobody would fucking get on the payload so I ended up switching to Mei and doing stall tactics just to keep the team from running away with it. My stalling managed to get the enemy team grouped up on the payload, which got the group of four to actually come to the payload to attack them, which got us the win. But honestly - how can a group of four that's at least reached Plat/Diamond be running around glory hunting in competitive? I would think at some point people know the basics of the game. I'm clearly not the most talented player ever but at least I know the rules of the game and how to win and adhere to that.
Also had another match on Nepal where I was playing as Lucio because nobody else wanted to go healer. We lost the first point, and we're losing the second point and some guy got on the mic bitching that he wasn't getting healed and nobody was on the point. So I got on mic and told him that because everybody was splitting up it makes it hard for Lucio to survive much less heal anyone. From that point on my team stuck together and we turned it around and ended up winning 3-1. So sometimes getting on mic actually helps!
Also had another match on Nepal where I was playing as Lucio because nobody else wanted to go healer. We lost the first point, and we're losing the second point and some guy got on the mic bitching that he wasn't getting healed and nobody was on the point. So I got on mic and told him that because everybody was splitting up it makes it hard for Lucio to survive much less heal anyone. From that point on my team stuck together and we turned it around and ended up winning 3-1. So sometimes getting on mic actually helps!
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Practice in QP.
i would just wait for them to respawn and rush with them. sometimes they notice that you're waiting for them and they might wait for other players too.
Seems to me that if they are plat and diamond and are in your gold leagues now that they don't really care that much anymore.
It's not a ladder system though is it? If you're under 2500, you're below average at the game. Ster just went from bronze to diamond in 18 games without losing once, because he was mechanically better than his opponents.
I mean I get it you do get shitty teammates, but the other team should have bad players too. Just go bastion and destroy everyone or something idk.
I mean I get it you do get shitty teammates, but the other team should have bad players too. Just go bastion and destroy everyone or something idk.
Consider practicing heroes like Reaper, Soldier or Zarya. They have some real carry potential at lower ranks. Even low rank DPS knows to shoot at enemies trapped in Zarya ult while you most likely can maintain max energy quite easily for OVER 9000 damage.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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I have added you. Sick of the random russian roulette.
"Pro level player was able to hard carry his whole team with ease, you should be able too!" is always good argument to make. Skill level between him and X GAF poster is after all equal. I would love it tho if SR actually measured YOURS skill and level of play, untied to rest of your team and end result of match. Even devs try to sell SR as such thing when it isn't.
If you want hard carry your team you need to have excellent level of play with heroes like McCree so you can just kill everyone and everything, so your team can just walk into victory. If you can't do that then you are at mercy of performance rest of your team because as team based game you kinda need rest 5. Several times I have been able to push huge hole into defensive line of enemy with Zarya, but rest of my team are just so afraid to push that openings were never used.
Incendiary
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Yeah - I'm of two minds when I get put with Plats/Diamonds at my SR. On the one hand, they may be good and just had an unlucky streak to drop their SR. On the other hand, they good have gotten a lucky streak for their placements and are actually bad and have dropped to their appropriate SR. It's a toss-up.
Thanks for the advice. I've gotten pretty good with Mercy and Lucio (had two PotGs in a row with Mercy recently), as well as Roadhog and McCree. Might try to up my Reaper and Zarya game too.
edit - if anyone from GAF wants to add me for some jolly cooperation, I'm Cyanity#11950 on Battlenet
edit - if anyone from GAF wants to add me for some jolly cooperation, I'm Cyanity#11950 on Battlenet
I don't think the SR is properly representative of your individual skill level, it's still more or less just a measure of how many matches you lost/won. In the end if you lose a game your rank goes down no matter how good you played, and if you win a game your rank goes up no matter how bad you played. The only difference (and it isn't that big of a difference) is how much it goes up/down.
Yea, true.
But he is talking about a group of four. They off course have much more influence on the outcome of the match.
In ranked favor Lucio over Mercy. People are less likely to crawl up your ass and tell you to kill yourself because you were unable to AoE heal everyone to top as Mercy. Mercy is already at mercy, no pun intended, of her teams position plays, but in my experience people give you a lot more easily shit for performance when you play her.
That said your favorites line up is very solid. With Reaper and Zarya maybe throw in few rounds of Zen too, people love that discord orb these days. For it to be worth pick does require that teams DPS has decent aim.
I love 3+ stacks that clearly are some forum PUG without any coms going on and zero understanding about what anyone is doing. Uncoordinated mess.
It looks like your average elimination at 18 is pretty low considering you're using chip damage heroes like Junkrat, Torb and Dva.
If you're serious about getting out of there, you need to learn Soldier/Genji, Reaper, Reinhardt, Zarya and Lucio/Zenyatta. These are all either top tier heroes or can carry because of how easy they are to use. Genji and Reinhardt will probably take a lot longer to learn. I'd say try all of them out and maybe pick one in each class for now as your mains and maybe branch out next season.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Rein v rein to me is the earthshatter mindgames.
You know, it's funny - I think I'm better with Mercy than with Lucio atm. Might be the ADD. Mercy is best played like a rubber ping pong ball on steroids and I'm good at that. But I'll take your advice and practice more with Zenyatta and Lucio. Actually, I don't think I've loaded out as Zenyatta once since the game came out...should get on that.
I can kind of play Soldier and Reaper but I am not good enough at them to be able to carry a team at low rank. Lucio and Zarya I am not very good at at all and Zenyatta I just die straight away. Genji I am absolutely useless with, I can't do any damage with him at all.
As for Reinhardt, well, I can sure push a good payload and do the occasional charge and firestrike but that's about it. I rarely get good targets on my Earthshatter though sometimes I get lucky.
Completely agree and thank you for saying what it is really like. I felt like I wasted my time being a Rein, and Mei in most of my placement matches as well as occasionally healing because:
- Freeze 3-4 enemies at once on the point, but your 4-5 teammates die to the remaining 2-3. This happened several times and I just turn around like "What the hell happened to you guys?" (Was that cancer-mei that some enemies got mad at me in chat basically)
- Push as Rein several times and tell my teammates that my ult is up, but they don't follow behind my shield and no one flanks the 1 McCree upstairs or shoot him from behind my shield, then they stay back while I'm ahead by myself....
You know what's even worse? Ending with several gold and silver medals every single time... then 6 loses and 4 wins, which gets you 2300 SR or so because you didn't carry your team hard enough apparently and you must be judged by what your teammates did... Hate to say it, but it infuriates me to read things like "I just carried on McCree and got Diamond! Shrug! You can do it too!"
Maybe it is time I became DPS full time regardless of whatever the hell the team needs. I bet I will end up ranking better and faster according to what I'm reading here....sadly.
I'll second Zenyatta. He trains you to have awareness of your team's position, that of the enemy team, and the times when the enemy is bringing in an ult so you can save the day. Also puts out a truckload of single-target damage and can solo-kill flankers.
I'd stay away from Genji and Zarya until you really get a feel for what's safe to charge into, what is certain death, and how to make an ult count. I agree that Soldier, Reinhardt, Lucio, Zenyatta, and Reaper are good places to start for learning how to be successful as a team and not zoning out pursuing your own priorities, which is a problem for a lot of people I see playing Torbjorn/Bastion/Junkrat. I will say that Roadhog helped me learn to spot out of place enemies and high-priority targets, ditto with Mei.
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