Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I mean 2 v 1 any character in the game and you'll win.
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finalflame
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I wish there was a way to send this to the vast majority of my solo queue teammates.
I mean to imply that due to low mobility she'll be less able to escape from multiple opponents, unlike other heroes such as D.Va / Tracer / etc
I mean, I guess if Zarya is just destroying then sure nerf her. I just don't see that being the case in my experience.
finalflame
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Probably because she's one of the most balanced and useful heroes in the game, not because she is OP.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Thing is why would you ever be in that situation? I feel like if you're ever in that situation you've fucked up. They give you the ability to shield another person for a reason.
Ok, but I didn't say she was OP so I don't know where you're getting that from. I'd only like to see a range reduction on the laser. Nothing major, but a bit.
I don't think anyone is OP right now.
finalflame
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Sorry, the past few weeks this thread has been ripe with requests to nerf Zarya, and it just has some of us on the defense.
A range reduction on the laser would not stop her from being picked in pretty much every single game. To be honest, her laser's range isn't even that long, i'm not sure why we're talking about reducing it.
I honestly doubt Blizzard will touch Zarya. If anything, the PTR patch shows us it's not even on their mind, or we'd have seen an adjustment being tested.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Don't change a thing about zarya.
Just make DM eat laser. :3
Just make DM eat laser. :3
finalflame
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I played a LOT of D.Va in Season 1 and early Season 2, and the only time I had ANY trouble staying alive was when there was a Zarya on the enemy team who focused on me. She is basically D.Va's only "hard" counter. I don't think it would be a wise move to make DM eat the beam or D.Vas will go hog-wild.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Sombra needs to be nerfed before she's released.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
There are plenty of ways to counter DVa. Zarya's popularity is pretty much the reason why she's crowded out now that she's only used as a stall tactic and also in numbani phase 1. I really don't think that should be the intended affect.
I don't want to destroy her like some people, I just feel the range is a little too long. I know she will be picked all the time regardless of this until something ends up countering her hard enough to make her more situational.
finalflame
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You say "plenty of ways", but then don't give any examples. Yes, there are ways to bring down D.Va, she's not flawless, but Zarya is the only hero she REALLY cannot hold her own against no matter what. I guess Mei is kind of a PITA as well.
But yah, the popularity of Zaryas makes her a pretty hard hero to pick/play. I still do play her sometimes, though, usually with great success, on a variety of maps (usually assault/hybrid).
I love D.Va, she's probably my favorite hero, so if anything I have a vested interest in her DM getting buffed..but I don't see it happening.
Yah, I think the best "nerf" for Zarya wold be to make Sombra's kit counter her. Maybe have part of her kit pierce/ignore shields, or something.
Vault Dweller 111
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The brawl is ameizing. So much fun.
Great break if you're frustrated with competitive.
Great break if you're frustrated with competitive.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Mei, anything that can bring her out of position that bypasses DM (hook, charge), rein if he's not stupid and is actually fighting with his team. Anything in range she can't actually counter with anything except for DM, which is crazy good, but brought more in line now with the 1 sec wait to recharge once you've depleted it.
Like, zarya is a stupidly hard counter to her and I don't really see why she needs to be one?
Like, what's a stupidly hard counter to Zarya that aren't your usual tank busters?
Like, zarya is a stupidly hard counter to her and I don't really see why she needs to be one?
Like, what's a stupidly hard counter to Zarya that aren't your usual tank busters?
Vault Dweller 111
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Tracer
finalflame
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I've never felt threatened by a hook or Rein charge. If Rein charges me and I'm low enough health for it to be an eject, I'll still have my zero-suit form and can usually just choose to eject away. If Hog hooks me, just DM his follow up shot and boost away. Mei is annoying, but she honestly won't do enough damage on her own to kill you, and if you got caught within a Mei's range as a D.Va that's a bad play on your part.
Zarya is the only hero that checks D.Va hard. I guess an argument could be made for whether that's needed or not, but I feel extremely powerful as D.Va when there's no Zarya, and helpless when there's a good Zarya that actually focuses on me most of the time. The right solution, IMO, is to just have your team counter the enemy Zarya so you can swoop in as D.Va.
As for Zarya's counters: Roadhog, Reaper, McCree if you watch her shield and have half decent aim, Tracer, Pharah.
All of the above are useless against D.Va unless the D.Va is bad, because DM swallows bullets/rockets.
Had one of my best matches as Mei last night, defending King's Row in Mobawatch. Only died three times but I was constantly on the point and keeping the opposing team off it, as well as taking out their Ana and Genji consistently. Ended up winning after the other team initially steamrolled us up until the last part of the map.
Was rewarded with a pretty instant 8 votes in the results screen and a bunch of 'New Record' and Gold Medals.
Was rewarded with a pretty instant 8 votes in the results screen and a bunch of 'New Record' and Gold Medals.
Yup!! Tracer is the downfall of Zarya. Does a lot of damage quickly, and prevents you from retreating to regen your shields. Really hard to catch her too.
Had one the other day who would just NOT let my Zarya do anything. No one was dealing with her and she was really good so just shut me down.
Yeah I don't even have anything against hanzo, but empirically, most hanzo mains are just super bad at the game. I mean why are you standing next to our team blob when you can blimb around and take high ground, why do you not save your dragonstrike with our CC ults, why do you go in front of our tanks and get sniped -.-
why
(actually Junkrats are the worst at running in the front line and getting sniped... goddamn)
TheThinWhiteDuke
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Yep, unless they're entrenched in turret mode, they're dog meat to Zero Suit D.Va most times. Although I have been surprised by really good Scout Bastions at times.
TheThinWhiteDuke
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Hmmm, D.Va going "hog wild" you say? This is good. This should happen.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Mekaless DVa is honestly useless at any high level play. You just gotta hit your shots to farm ult but that's about it.
How do you DM roadhog's followup shots? Unless roadhog is slow you're literally too stunned to actually do anything but eat it. Also what people don't understand is that roadhog's hook is a stun that brings you severely out of position, and people really should be shooting the people as he reels them in.
I don't think roadhog checks zarya hard at all. If anything zarya helps her team deal with roadhog the best because she can react shield hooked victims. Like honestly, anything that can prevent his hooks is a counter for roadhog. Sure you can make zarya pop her bubble too early and then hook her in afterwards but you can say that for every other hero.
Any good reaper can take out DVa. The damage reduction is not severe enough and her critical hitbox is so huge that it kinda doesn't matter because every pellet crits. You can DM all day but you have to shoot sooner or later.
Same deal with mccree, though he probably has a harder time when you get up all in his shit.
High level zaryas really should not have any trouble dealing with tracer. Even at 50% energy her damage is so high that she can deal severe damage to tracer if she's even half decent at tracking.
Pharah is a counter, but again, you can DM her rockets all day but that does nothing for you 1 v 1, but DVa shouldn't be in a 1 v 1 situation with pharah anyway so whatever.
How do you DM roadhog's followup shots? Unless roadhog is slow you're literally too stunned to actually do anything but eat it. Also what people don't understand is that roadhog's hook is a stun that brings you severely out of position, and people really should be shooting the people as he reels them in.
I don't think roadhog checks zarya hard at all. If anything zarya helps her team deal with roadhog the best because she can react shield hooked victims. Like honestly, anything that can prevent his hooks is a counter for roadhog. Sure you can make zarya pop her bubble too early and then hook her in afterwards but you can say that for every other hero.
Any good reaper can take out DVa. The damage reduction is not severe enough and her critical hitbox is so huge that it kinda doesn't matter because every pellet crits. You can DM all day but you have to shoot sooner or later.
Same deal with mccree, though he probably has a harder time when you get up all in his shit.
High level zaryas really should not have any trouble dealing with tracer. Even at 50% energy her damage is so high that she can deal severe damage to tracer if she's even half decent at tracking.
Pharah is a counter, but again, you can DM her rockets all day but that does nothing for you 1 v 1, but DVa shouldn't be in a 1 v 1 situation with pharah anyway so whatever.
TheThinWhiteDuke
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Reaper is a damn bitch to deal with. Simply cannot kill him all the way most times. And then I'm down to low health and he's ghosting off to find health. Fuck Reaper.
TheThinWhiteDuke
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4 gold medals as D.Va, 65% participation in kills, in full-on "snatch victory from the jaws of defeat" mode late on Hollywood. Pull out a victory, and one (ONE!!!) vote on the cards (the one was my own because fuck you Lucio and your 5000 damage healed/ 15% healed- and 5 team votes).
This is my life.
This is my life.
Hm, that's a new one. Guy in comp says he's gonna troll and make us lose on purpose, but the enemy team was so bad we still steamrolled them anyway. He actually started picking normal characters over halfway through the match because he saw he couldn't really lose us the game anyway, almost felt bad for him that his trolling backfired so hard.
Really need to stop playing this game past midnight, matchmaking gets really iffy the later it gets.
Really need to stop playing this game past midnight, matchmaking gets really iffy the later it gets.
blueyesdevil
Banned
Lately I have been making sure I kill the zenyatta first before ulting as genji. If he ults to counter your ult then its like standing there for 6 seconds with my dick in my hands.
Also I make sure to try and kill mercy as my first target because duh.
Also I make sure to try and kill mercy as my first target because duh.
Wyndstryker
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzBvj9z_s0o
Not my play of the match, but was a teammate.
But yeah...worst way to use an Ana ult.
Not my play of the match, but was a teammate.
But yeah...worst way to use an Ana ult.
Yeah, the defence matrix doesn't have a short enough cool down to deal with reaper's reloads. I don't think it needs to be adjusted (although I do think reaper's reload should be slower, or have fewer shots per clip).
As D.Va if I see a Reaper, I just fly away, unless I've got a DPS who's also shooting him. Never going to win that 1-on-1.
Holy shit, so you actually know how to play Genji. We should play together ��
Wyndstryker
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I remember this brawl the first day I gotten overwatch.
It's how I learned how to play Pharah lol.
BrutalWrite
Neo Member
Does anyone else feel like they alway need to fill in as a healer or tank?
I play on EU and it seems no one wants to win. I always feel like I'm locking Lucio or Reinhardt just for the hope that we might squeeze a win.
I guess that's solo queue for you... Going 8-2 on wins last night though wasn't so bad.
I play on EU and it seems no one wants to win. I always feel like I'm locking Lucio or Reinhardt just for the hope that we might squeeze a win.
I guess that's solo queue for you... Going 8-2 on wins last night though wasn't so bad.
Lucio and Mercy are my most played Heroes so I feel you.
EarsOfASnake
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Yup, all the time, luckily I always enjoy playing support classes so it's not a big deal. The problem is that it means leaves you hoping the rest of your team is competent enough to play their roles. My friend and I have been specifically rolling as a Lucio-Zen combo to try and at least take care of the support side of a team in hope that everyone else who won't play them can do a better job being offensive. It actually appears to be working as I am on an upswing from 2100's to the 2400's. Can get frustrating sometimes because I do want to play Tracer more often but I guess thats what QP is for.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I feel like you don't really have to force yourself to be lucio and rein. There are diverse enough playstyles in those roles.
Nowadays I'll go ana depending if my team needs the burst healing, or zen if my team needs help getting picks. I'll switch to lucio now and then because sometimes you just need lucio, but also to get boops in KotH.
Nowadays I'll go ana depending if my team needs the burst healing, or zen if my team needs help getting picks. I'll switch to lucio now and then because sometimes you just need lucio, but also to get boops in KotH.
I've actually seen worse. I was Pharah and I burned my ultimate onto a Reinhardt's shield because the enemy team had no time left and it was just the Reinhardt facing my entire team. Just as his shield broke the Ana on his team popped her boost on him, he died instantly.
dude. even when i play with friends i have to convince them to stop playing offensive characters, when they aren't that good with it, because if you want to win you have to play support.
Granted, he had been doing it, and he didn't want to play support anymore.
My response was: but I've been support for the past games as well (two supports).
people have to learn to play zenyatta more, so you can at least shoot and heal, if playing support feels to passive for you.
Edit: my game this morning had two supports, actually.
Yeah, I'm a decent tracer and i really love to play her, but I find myself filling tank/support roles most of the time. It's okay though. I'm a decent Lucio/Zenyatta/Winston/Zarya.
EarsOfASnake
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I am primarily a controller player and the slower pace of support characters suits it better but sometimes I want to switch up to KB&M and just get stuck in with Tracer. It's super frustrating as a support, where you naturally find yourself at the back of the team, watching all sorts of things unfold and then nobody doing anything about it:
- Soldier/Mcree not shooting down Phara
- Tracer/Genji not harassing Mercy/Bastion
- Seeing Rein wander off without any dps behind
All you can do is just sit back and try to keep the shit show running by healing your ass off.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Play ana.
EarsOfASnake
Member
Haven't tried her, is she effective as an occasional offensive character?
I can't aim for shit with Ana. For some reason aiming with zenyatta is hella easier. Would've liked playing more with Ana otherwise.
Wyndstryker
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Aiming regular hip fired shots with Ana takes a lot of practice because it's a projectile but you don't really see it so you can't gauge how fast it's travelling to aim. Zen's orbs are pretty obvious when launched so you can visually make the adjustments.
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