Just watched it on Amazon instant. Good stuff. Nothing really new just reinforced everything and presented it well.
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Paleo Diet 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman
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Just watched it on Amazon instant. Good stuff. Nothing really new just reinforced everything and presented it well.
Sure it's not the only reason, but people who are more active will have an increased need for glucose in their bloodstream, so they'll likely do just fine (or at least not as bad) with a slightly elevated dietary carb intake than someone who sits all day and uses his car for every trip no matter how short the distance is.
Passive people on an elevated carb diet will most probably get fat due to the glucose not being burned and thus stored in liver and/or fat cells.
More active people on the other hand won't store as much fat since more glucose will be needed to fuel their muscles. The glucose will replenish in their muscles instead.
As for the epidemic in Malaysia, the Malaysian health minister did in fact mention sedentary lifestyles as one of the reasons for the epidemic.
Malaysian Society of Hypertension
Naked Snake
Member
That chart is flawed. What about oysters? They are animals that don't have a face, and perfectly paleo. I'm sure there are other examples that break the chart.
Yeah I'd say the only thing about sausage is watch the quality if you're going to eat a lot of it. If its highly processed and has a lot of crap in the label I'd stay away or moderate at best.
Panthalassic
Member
Deciding to give this a try since:
1. I'd like to lose some weight without giving up everything.
2. I learned about it last semester in Environmental History.
3. Saw a section on CBS This Morning on the addictivness of grains.
Been trying since yesterday. Grains are really tempting but I've managed to hold off. This morning I'm eating eggs and breadfruit. Pretty good so far.
1. I'd like to lose some weight without giving up everything.
2. I learned about it last semester in Environmental History.
3. Saw a section on CBS This Morning on the addictivness of grains.
Been trying since yesterday. Grains are really tempting but I've managed to hold off. This morning I'm eating eggs and breadfruit. Pretty good so far.
Mecha_Infantry
Banned
Do you know many people throughout the world eat "grain" and aren't overweight?
My problem with this "diet" is that that's all it is...I normally cut using a carb free diet for when I need to quickly lose weight for a holiday or something but it's not viable to continue this over multiple years
What people need to concentrate on is managing sources of food: carbs, protein, fats and of course exercise.
We all try and look for some random scientific new "thing" when really and truly we can keep things simple
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I'm doing lower carb again (under 20 during the week, a bit higher on weekend) Will this help? Or do you need to go ultra low?
Also, what are some good snacks for work? I do almonds a lot, but they still have like 5g of carbs per serving. Anything else?
Also, what are some good snacks for work? I do almonds a lot, but they still have like 5g of carbs per serving. Anything else?
Under 20 grams? That seems drastically low. iirc Primal recommends 100-150 or so. Someone can correct me if I'm off on that.
Work is always trying to sabotage me. One guy brings in bagels for everyone and now they brought in pizza. I'm less tempted than I used to be though and I brought my own lunch so it's all good.
Work is always trying to sabotage me. One guy brings in bagels for everyone and now they brought in pizza. I'm less tempted than I used to be though and I brought my own lunch so it's all good.
Auron_Kale
Member
Been toying with the idea of this and am gonna finally try it as I've been wanting to cut out processed foods and grains out of my diet.
I'm debating on picking up the kindle versions of the books suggested or if I should bother with the full color versions just to see the pictures.
Not too sure if I should start it now as I have a 5k to do on the 19th and it sounds like the 'carb flu' would probably kick my ass but I definitely want to do this.
I'm debating on picking up the kindle versions of the books suggested or if I should bother with the full color versions just to see the pictures.
Not too sure if I should start it now as I have a 5k to do on the 19th and it sounds like the 'carb flu' would probably kick my ass but I definitely want to do this.
You can typically beat the carb flu by increasing fat, especially from coconut. The fat in coconut is ketogenic, it's a great way to help your body transition to burning fat for fuel. Coconut is just really healthy in general. Salt! Eat more salt and other electrolytes, you're gonna lose water weight pretty quickly, that means you'll lose electrolytes too. Or you could just eat carbs, from good sources of course. Bananas, sweet potatoes, squash, fruit.
Dr.NoiseWater
Member
OP, how much is your grocery bill? I am curious because I would like to start this.
Edit: Also, I have a lot of questions pertaining to eating without bread and pasta. My wife loves pasta. What I would like to do is eat paleo 5 days out of the week and on the weekends eat whatever. How would that work? Or does that still defeat the purpose, considering you said 80% participation is still good?
Edit: Also, I have a lot of questions pertaining to eating without bread and pasta. My wife loves pasta. What I would like to do is eat paleo 5 days out of the week and on the weekends eat whatever. How would that work? Or does that still defeat the purpose, considering you said 80% participation is still good?
Actually its pretty hit ore miss.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...rs-more-dangerous-than-you-ever-imagined.aspx
There have been objections to its approval and a bunch of other things that imo you'd be much better off eating something a bit more natural like raw honey or coconut nectar.
"In August 1974, Olney and Turner filed the first formal objections to the approval of aspartame. Their petition prompted the FDA to initiate investigations into Searles lab practices."
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Mercola? Seriously off in quack territory.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Here is one of the papers by Eaton, Eaton III and Konner
Paleolithic nutrition revisited: A twelve-year retrospective on its
nature and implications
Paleolithic nutrition revisited: A twelve-year retrospective on its
nature and implications
The Bookerman
Member
WTF, on which planet do you live?
Lost 100 pounds when I transitioned to a paleo diet 2 years ago. I still eat "paleo" to this day. I just feel better. I got off 3 blood pressure and cholesterol medicines at the same time.
One "negative" I now have is that cheat meals really make me sick. My body is very intolerant of gluten and dairy anymore and stuff like pizza and ice cream can give me bad stomach ache and instantly clog my nasal passages.
I went low carb for about 2 months at first but then switched to moderate carb, mostly sweet potatoes and fruit which is how I eat daily now. I probably average around 100g of carbs a day. For maximum weight loss I would go under 30g/day for about a month and then 50g/day the next month.
One "negative" I now have is that cheat meals really make me sick. My body is very intolerant of gluten and dairy anymore and stuff like pizza and ice cream can give me bad stomach ache and instantly clog my nasal passages.
I went low carb for about 2 months at first but then switched to moderate carb, mostly sweet potatoes and fruit which is how I eat daily now. I probably average around 100g of carbs a day. For maximum weight loss I would go under 30g/day for about a month and then 50g/day the next month.
The Primal Blueprint paperback only has 16 colored glossy pages, 14 of them being real life stories with before/after pics and the remaining two being pictures of the author doing push-ups, pull-ups and squats.
All the other charts and illustrations are b/w.
Primal Blueprint is very good, and Kindle would be fine for that one I think because it's mostly text. The Practical Paleo I personally would buy the book only because I'm very visual and the pictures inspire me to eat right. She also includes a lot of charts and tables in it. Not sure how that would translate on Kindle. The book is large and moderately thick, Primal is fairly small.
Well he's right, adults in many cultural regions of the earth (mainly the ones without any herder ancestry) cannot produce enough lactase to deal with a diet high on lactose.
Approximately 75% of the world's population loses the ability to completely digest a physiological dose of lactose after infancy
Article: Improved lactose digestion and intolerance among African-American... | AccessMyLibrary
ClassyPenguin
Banned
From my textbook on Evolutionary Medicine
Grocery bill isn't very much if I go to Costco and buy in bulk. But honestly grains are cheap, so my bill is relatively high compared to how it used to be. Ground beef isnt very costly, or chicken. Steaks, fish, seafood is pricey though. Buying fresh food means I have to go shopping more often too, or freeze stuff.
As for pasta, I think it's in the Primal book that he mentions to think of it as a continuum. It's not all or nothing. 5 of 7 days is better than 4, or 3 or none. I would say though that for me I want to try to be strict for 30 days to see how I feel. After that you can reintroduce and see how it goes.
Whatever works for you though.
look how far we've come
I can't really base this on anything, but I'm pretty sure they did have a high body-fat %. Maybe not, like, American style triple XL size, but I would imagine they had a bulky/muscular body type as opposed to a more lean build. In a prehistoric hunter-gatherer society, having energy reserves (fat) actually meant something. And post-Ice Age Europe still used to be rather, well, cold.
I can't really base this on anything, but I'm pretty sure they did have a high body-fat %. Maybe not, like, American style triple XL size, but I would imagine they had a bulky/muscular body type as opposed to a more lean build. In a prehistoric hunter-gatherer society, having energy reserves (fat) actually meant something. And post-Ice Age Europe still used to be rather, well, cold.
Ask yourself, is it a domesticated animal or plant (in some cases domesticated within the past two hundred years)? Is it the product of relatively recent civilization. If yes, then it is "paleo."
Dr.NoiseWater
Member
Ok, its just hard to choose stuff when I am eating out. I usually eat out on the weekends. As for our grocer bill, its usually about $150 every two weeks. I am hoping it won't be too much more.
You don't count the fiber as carbs just FYI. You want as much of it as you can get. 28g of almonds without sugar or some crap on them should be 5g total carbs - 3g Fiber = 2g net.
Yes I know this has nothing to do with Paleo but I wanted to correct him so he's not scared to get that fiber if he's doing Keto or whatever.
Oppo
Member
I'm sure it's been addressed but can someone enlighten me as to why legumes are bad, using this method?
I know they are starchy but surely not on the same levels as processed grains...? One of the things I really liked between trying low carb years ago and 4HB more recently was the addition of some beans, makes a big difference.
I know they are starchy but surely not on the same levels as processed grains...? One of the things I really liked between trying low carb years ago and 4HB more recently was the addition of some beans, makes a big difference.
Because unlike, say almonds, people have been eating legumes for thousands of years.
Legumes fall into the ok category, they have a fair amount of carbs and offer decent nutritional value. The best legumes are fresh green peas and green beans IIRC.
It's fine to eat them in moderation, but other vegetables offer more nutrients and lower carbs and are thus preferred.
Many people also have problems digesting legumes due to their elevated lectin (bad kind of protein) content and may suffer from flatulence after eating them (remember all the fart jokes about beans?).
Naked Snake
Member
http://jdmoyer.com/2011/02/15/to-be...he-question-legumes-lectins-and-human-health/
tl;dr there is no simple answer. Read/learn the arguments, weigh the pros/risks as they apply to you, and make your own mind.
Ironically the top rated is the DASH diet
MisterNegative
Banned
lol.
Thanks for the recipe links, OP. Since the beginning of the year I've been on Primal both to look respectable for my upcoming 10-year high school reunion and to clean up my health, which was piss poor pretty much this entire year. I'm through the initial sluggish days and already feeling much better. Getting over the mental hurdle of downing bacon and steak and eggs by the handful was the hardest part, but I'm digging it now. I guess we'll find out in a couple years whether or not that was a good idea!
I'm already down 3 pounds, though I imagine most of that is water weight.
Edit: BTW, the Italian egg things are awesome.
I'm already down 3 pounds, though I imagine most of that is water weight.
Edit: BTW, the Italian egg things are awesome.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Because it is still a damn good way of getting energy. The problem is overconsumption and lack of food variety in American diets not just because they're grains.
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Deleted member 17706
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Mind explaining why you laugh? I assume it's because you think grains have no inherently negative effect on human health?
All of that low-fat nonsense just goes to show how twisted and broken the "conventional wisdom" is.
I normally just do something basic like virgin olive oil, lemon/white vinegar and mixed herbs. Some great ideas on MDA.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/10-delicious-diy-salad-dressings/#axzz2HU39S1aD
Primal, he uses some cheese and other dairy in some of em.
Article in LA Magazine on Paleo/Primal:
http://www.lamag.com/wellbeing/2013/1/3/meaty-topic
I wasn't aware of that study. I don't over do it on saturated fats but this is the one criticism I hear most about paleo/primal. I think that comes mostly from Atkins though, which didnt have enough vegetables and a lot of processed food was ok on that plan.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/02/04/us-fat-heart-idUSTRE61341020100204
So that was good to read. I'm sure there are people who look at this and think the only unhealthy part is the bread though:
http://www.lamag.com/wellbeing/2013/1/3/meaty-topic
I wasn't aware of that study. I don't over do it on saturated fats but this is the one criticism I hear most about paleo/primal. I think that comes mostly from Atkins though, which didnt have enough vegetables and a lot of processed food was ok on that plan.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/02/04/us-fat-heart-idUSTRE61341020100204
So that was good to read. I'm sure there are people who look at this and think the only unhealthy part is the bread though:
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Here's yesterday for me, any suggestions? I assume the fat is fine being that it mostly came from almonds. Some of the carbs were probably offset by fiber too. Crazy how many carbs you eat without realizing though. I didn't think I got anywhere near 37.
Note: This is with a workout factored in, I was actually over calorie count a bit without one.
Note: This is with a workout factored in, I was actually over calorie count a bit without one.
Choke on the Magic
Banned
I'm having some bad headaches today. How long will this last?
Mine just went away after a day but it was intense.
Choke on the Magic
Banned
Yeah it's pretty bad today. Last night I felt lethargic and sleepy.
entremet
Member
Are you doing a low carb version of paleo?