OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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You guys are really making me curious with all this butter in coffee talk. I'm going to try it tomorrow. Salted or unsalted? I'm assuming unsalted.
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Paleo Diet 101: How and why you should eat like a Caveman
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You guys are really making me curious with all this butter in coffee talk. I'm going to try it tomorrow. Salted or unsalted? I'm assuming unsalted.
JasoNsider
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I've been doing a very basic version of this since around the beginning of January. It's been amazing! The most important aspect, for myself, is not necessarily being strict on various rules but more just being conscious of what I'm putting in me rather than blindly scarfing anything down. And the water. Tons of water.
The best part, for me, is that this is actually enjoyable. I cheat at times but it's not even a big deal for me. If 80+ percent of the time I'm eating well, feeling great, I don't mind if I eat a bit of toast at breakfast every now and then.
The best part, for me, is that this is actually enjoyable. I cheat at times but it's not even a big deal for me. If 80+ percent of the time I'm eating well, feeling great, I don't mind if I eat a bit of toast at breakfast every now and then.
entremet
Member
Doesn't really matter. Grass fed is probably the most important thing. The rest is a matter taste.
Anyone in here do intermittent fasting? I'd really appreciate it if someone can give me a brief overview of what it is and why it is good for you (or point me in the direction of a good, short article). I am wondering of it is something that is worth practicing when I am on business trips.
I'm currently doing this (rather I'm trying to do this, I just started):
The Leangains Guide | Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health
I'm mostly doing this because it is surprisingly easy for me to eat during an 8 hours window and fast for 16 hours. I have no cravings whatsoever during those 16h.
Other methods and benefits are described here:
How to Implement Fasting | Mark's Daily Apple
Etrian Oddity
Member
My "cheat day" is still pretty accountable, namely sushi (white rice and sauces) and chips.
Generally I keep a tight grip on things.
Generally I keep a tight grip on things.
I'll probably get slaughtered for referring them, but the Hodge twins talk about it a lot on Youtube, and they're funny to watch. Not exactly Paleo, but interesting nonetheless.
Darko
Member
is grass fed the only option for paleo? its pretty much impossible to get where I live (canada)
is this one paleo friendly?
http://coconutbliss.com/coconut-bliss-products
they are, but they do have a decent amount of added sugars, so if you're trying to lose weight you might not want that. So Delicious is sweetened with stevia/erythritol and chicory root/inulin [fibers].
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picked up some grass fed lamb chops today since they were on sale, mmm im excited to have them tomorrow
my receipt
buy produce frozen to save money for meat. that's 2 servings of salmon, 1 for the lamb chops. even without the discount, $39 isn't too bad considering I'm buying expensive cuts of meat. I get eggs and lean proteins from other stores.
and my baller ass dinner from the other night
edit. gawd damn, steamed rutabaga chunks and kerrygold garlic and herb butter, fucking greatness. and try and do mashed ones tomorrow - http://southernfood.about.com/od/turnipandrutabagarecipes/r/r70424a.htm
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I was just wondering, is this whole "grain fed organic" thing integral to this particular diet?
ClassyPenguin
Banned
It adds +5,000 midichlorians
It's not a deal breaker. Get it if you can find/afford but otherwise jus eat regular meat and perhaps supplement with more Omega 3 from fish oils than normally. For example I can't really get grass fed meat from anywhere. I know of one farm (in whole of Finland) whose cattle is technically grass fed but the meat is like 60€/kg so not an option.
They always push it but the best reference I've seen is something like: baseline > better > Best
Oh actually there is a PDF on it here: http://www.balancedbites.com/PDFs/BOOK_EXTRAS/PracticalPaleo_GuidetoFoodQuality.pdf
As for fruits and veggies anything with a "hard skin" is not a big deal. oranges, avocados, bananas etc. But stuff like strawberries are. So they say. I try to form my own opinion on stuff like that.
Beef is a poor source of omega-3's, grass-fed included. If you're concerned about omega-3's you should be eating fatty fish a couple times a week.
Don't let perfection be the enemy, eating grass-fed meat and pasteurized eggs are considered optimal, but eating regular old meat and eggs is great too. Removing grains, veggie oils, refined sugars/carbs, will improve your health dramatically. Essentially, buy the best you can afford and don't feel guilty about it.
kevo_huevo
Member
i just bought a quart of this last night to try it out (chocolate, not a fan of vanilla), along with some gluten-free beer (omission lager). the beer was nice, i was enjoying pilsners/american style lagers before going paleo and this fits the bill nicely. i'm pretty sure though if i had an IPA i would be drunk in no time lol
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Cheers. Going through the last few pages, I got the impression that you needed to have that kind of meat for this diet.
Naked Snake
Member
What do you guys think of Tim Ferris' "Take one day off per week" rule?
http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...of-fat-in-30-days-without-doing-any-exercise/
I've been incorporating legumes in my diet lately (soaked, sprouted, then cooked), kinda similar to his so called "slow-carb diet", but I never followed a regular or systematic method for cheating. I was pretty strict paleo for years, and recently I experimented with occasional chocolate candy bars, and I kinda realized that eating anything sweet (even fruit) on a frequent basis is always a slippery slope for me. It starts with one apple a day and slowly creeps to 10 apples a day, every day! (or two candy bars a day @500 cal each!)
So right now I've cut out fruit, honey and chocolate completely, and I feel good. But it's only been a couple of weeks and I expect I'll start feeling "deprived" sooner or later and fall back into daily binging.
That's why I'm intrigued by the "one day a week binge all you want" approach. I think it might give me that "fix" while preventing the slow-creep into daily binging that I tend to fall into if I don't space out my cheats by strict and fixed time period (e.g. 1 week).
Edit: Just to clarify I don't have a weight issue at all (If anything I'd prefer to gain weight than lose any), my main concern is long term health and maintaining contol over my eating habits.
http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...of-fat-in-30-days-without-doing-any-exercise/
I've been incorporating legumes in my diet lately (soaked, sprouted, then cooked), kinda similar to his so called "slow-carb diet", but I never followed a regular or systematic method for cheating. I was pretty strict paleo for years, and recently I experimented with occasional chocolate candy bars, and I kinda realized that eating anything sweet (even fruit) on a frequent basis is always a slippery slope for me. It starts with one apple a day and slowly creeps to 10 apples a day, every day! (or two candy bars a day @500 cal each!)
So right now I've cut out fruit, honey and chocolate completely, and I feel good. But it's only been a couple of weeks and I expect I'll start feeling "deprived" sooner or later and fall back into daily binging.
That's why I'm intrigued by the "one day a week binge all you want" approach. I think it might give me that "fix" while preventing the slow-creep into daily binging that I tend to fall into if I don't space out my cheats by strict and fixed time period (e.g. 1 week).
Edit: Just to clarify I don't have a weight issue at all (If anything I'd prefer to gain weight than lose any), my main concern is long term health and maintaining contol over my eating habits.
Hmm interesting, I dont know about a once a week binge, but that made me think of refeeds.
In fact SeanR1221 have you looked into this?
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/732925-the-power-of-refeed-and-leptin
I know Lyle McDonald has stuff that includes refeeds, I'd have to look for it.
In fact SeanR1221 have you looked into this?
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/732925-the-power-of-refeed-and-leptin
I know Lyle McDonald has stuff that includes refeeds, I'd have to look for it.
Not a fan of Ferris, but when I was actively trying to lose weight I always had beer and pizza on Saturday, it certainly never caused me any stalls or regains.
Very interesting. So it's more than just a cheat meal then, right? Like last week I did have that burger and fries but it didn't change anything on the scale this week.
Edit- thinking back I was still at 2000 calories with the burger and fries. So I'd have to do like 2500-3000 calories, for 1-2 days to re-feed.
Sure, if you can handle it without binging. I could go and eat 3 days worth of food in 6 hours.
Yeah I honestly dont know too much about it other than the really basic principle behind it. I do trust Lyle McDonald or Alan Argon over at bodyrecomposition.com, I'm sure they have stuff on it. I have the Rapid Fat Loss Handbook on PDF and here is the relevant bit as it pertains to that specific program:
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
Posted this in the fitness bro science thread but wasnt aware of a paleo thread. I've been eating pretty strict paleo since December 1st. I've had rice and corn a couple times but no dairy, no gluten, no sugar. First pic is week 2, second one is yesterday.
http://i.imgur.com/2r2LJr4.jpg
This diet has been great for my sleep, energy levels, and I've gotten the results I've wanted asthetically and in my training. Give it a couple months would be my only advice. And don't have cheat days. If you succumb to temptation, let it be an isolated incident.
http://i.imgur.com/2r2LJr4.jpg
This diet has been great for my sleep, energy levels, and I've gotten the results I've wanted asthetically and in my training. Give it a couple months would be my only advice. And don't have cheat days. If you succumb to temptation, let it be an isolated incident.
Nice results man, pretty noticeable difference in just two months.
Are you counting calories or just eating when hungry?
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
Eating when hungry and a lot. I train very hard so I have to eat a ton to recover.
negreenfield
Member
I follow the Primal version of Paleo and experiment occasionally with the Perfect Health diet, which only adds rice as an acceptable carb on top of tubers. Since I'm trying to lose weight my only tuber is an occasional sweet potato so I'll try out rice later when I get to a good weight.
I'm sure some of this has already been stated but the main things I like about eating like this are I'm satiated after every meal, I never have gas (as long as I don't add back in any grains or beans), my skin is way better (I've had acne since a teenager and a used to get a couple a week even into my 30's until trying Primal/Paleo), I don't know that I notice a whole lot of energy difference but that my be because I have two boys, 3 and 1 that keep me so busy with I never get a lot of sleep. I also never have any stomach issues or heartburn.
I don't do grassfed/organic because it's just so hard to find in my area and when I do the cost is just hard for me to be willing to spend.
I'm sure some of this has already been stated but the main things I like about eating like this are I'm satiated after every meal, I never have gas (as long as I don't add back in any grains or beans), my skin is way better (I've had acne since a teenager and a used to get a couple a week even into my 30's until trying Primal/Paleo), I don't know that I notice a whole lot of energy difference but that my be because I have two boys, 3 and 1 that keep me so busy with I never get a lot of sleep. I also never have any stomach issues or heartburn.
I don't do grassfed/organic because it's just so hard to find in my area and when I do the cost is just hard for me to be willing to spend.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Carb reset daaaaaaay!! Then 2 hours of sparring.
Naked Snake
Member
Grass fed New Zealand lamb is literally the cheapest meat sold here, I love it. Locally produced meat is at least twice the price, and grain-fed from USA is like 5 times the price or more.
Last week when I stocked up it was about $6/kg (so $3 per lb?). Yeah getting paleo-approved meat is the least expensive option for me. You won't hear me complain about that.
Last week when I stocked up it was about $6/kg (so $3 per lb?). Yeah getting paleo-approved meat is the least expensive option for me. You won't hear me complain about that.
Well, now:
http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/2...about-dietary-fats-and-heart-disease-guidance
Saturated fat, I loves it. Reflects the results of the Rose et al corn oil trial, too.
http://www.bmj.com/press-releases/2...about-dietary-fats-and-heart-disease-guidance
Saturated fat, I loves it. Reflects the results of the Rose et al corn oil trial, too.
How much do you train if I may ask?
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
5-6 days/week and and twice a day on Monday and Friday.
Weights or cardio as well?
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
I'm training for a weightlifting competition right now so my training is mostly just lifting. M- clean and jerk, Tues- snatch, Weds- clean then jerk, Thurs- snatch, Friday- max out. I also squat MWF, and if I'm not too wrecked I'll usually do a CrossFit WOD on Saturday.
that's not even our most expensive cut, the rack of lamb? I believe, is $20/pound. You're a lucky bastard, I wouldn't mind living in NZ. I know people who get nauseous from eating lamb, which is really unfortunately, considering how tasty it is.
I also picked up sirloin steak which was on sale for $7/pound, staying paleo on a budget is kind of fun, it makes you look at different things you might not have seen before, like the rutabaga, which has become my favorite side dish atm. Seriously, if you want something starchy but aren't super active and don't want a potatoe [or you turn orange from sweet potatoes
], these are a godsend. I think I might try bacon-wrapped rutabaga tomorrow.for you instagramers, this runs a paleo 'channel', he's got some really great pics/recipies to give you ideas - http://ink361.com/#!/users/203445941/photos
dralla, quick clarification...
I asked about brown rice the other day.... and you said most go with white because of the anti-nutrients in brown? I've always heard that brown is better, that nutrients are removed when they process brown --> white rice? I know it isn't even supposed to be in the paleo diet but I'm wondering about that.
also how bad is microwaving frozen veggies? does that kill all nutrients or is it still a decent way to eat? I mainly eat fresh veggies which I put in a ziplock container in my fridge, and eat my lettue, tomatoes, onion, parsley, cilantro, cucumber that I buy on Sunday throughout the week.
I asked about brown rice the other day.... and you said most go with white because of the anti-nutrients in brown? I've always heard that brown is better, that nutrients are removed when they process brown --> white rice? I know it isn't even supposed to be in the paleo diet but I'm wondering about that.
also how bad is microwaving frozen veggies? does that kill all nutrients or is it still a decent way to eat? I mainly eat fresh veggies which I put in a ziplock container in my fridge, and eat my lettue, tomatoes, onion, parsley, cilantro, cucumber that I buy on Sunday throughout the week.
I'm really dying to try some farm fresh eggs. Like, right from the farm not even in a Trader Joes. I even briefly considered buying a few live chickens to raise.
Hope dralla doesn't mind me offering a reply of my own to this one. Basically both nutrients and anti-nutrients are contained in the bran, the bit that is removed when rice is processed. White rice is just the core and is basically pure starch, whereas the bran contains vitamins and minerals such as niacin and magnesium, but also such potentially problematic molecules such as phytate (and some others, I think, allergens etc). Phytate, for example, appears to inhibit absorption of the very minerals you would otherwise benefit from by eating brown rice. While I'm not aware of much quality evidence to show the benefits of avoiding brown rice, the paleo argument is that you can get the vitamins and minerals from other food sources (meat, root veg) that aren't accompanied by problematic molecules, so it makes sense to do so. White rice, meanwhile, can be used purely as a source of calories, containing nothing either beneficial or detrimental.
I'm sure I saw a paper about microwaving and nutrient effects - if I can find it I'll post it here.
That's whats up! Good to hear, if anything shaking things up is a good thing if it's been a long time with no changes. I'm going to try and keep this in mind myself for when I inevitably hit a wall.
Oh and P.S. the wife is making home made pizza tonight so yeah: refeed engaged.
I feel fortunate to be able to consume farm fresh eggs on a regular basis. I get a dozen eggs from two separate locals who own chickens and still usually buy two dozen a week at the store. The farm fresh ones, for lack of a better description, usually taste a little richer.
Farm fresh eggs are great for everything save for if you need to peel them hard-boiled. That's always harder than store-bought eggs for reasons I've yet to explore.
Well!
Looks like Fry already answered, basically yea, the brown rice does have more minerals but the phytates prevent mineral absorption to a certain degree. I wouldn't worry too much about it though honestly, get which you prefer, taste wise.
I've checked out plenty of microwaving veggies studies, there's nothing to worry about. Each type of preparation, steamed, boiled, microwaved, ect. will provide slight variences in mineral content, but it's minimal, again, go with which you prefer taste wise or which is more convenience. I've been microwaving the rutabaga with a little water and it comes out delicious. I microwave frozen brussel sprouts too, and a few others. Both things like leafy greens taste like ass when you microwave them, so I saute them.
Yea, you can general see the difference in eggs in the texture. Try pasteurized eggs, very expensive, but it's nice to see the difference. I think I'm going to pick up some duck eggs today at work. We also so quail, emu and ostrich, but they're damn expensive.
Yea, crushed up pork rinds. Or almond meal, coconut flour, or shredded coconut. Fried in healthy oils of course. It comes out surprisingly well. I think I actually like the shredded coconut the best. I need to make some again and see, it's been a while.
Naked Snake
Member
Do you mean pastured?