Papa Johns CEO wants to raise Pizza prices in order to offset Obamacare costs

Status
Not open for further replies.
So if his profit margin is at 41% already how much less would it be realistically without the price increase? Is it that much of a deal when you figure how much they are already making? I really don't think this is the time where you can afford to raise prices when you are in the pizza business with both Pizza Hut and Dominos offering much better prices, and in my area much better product.
 
Poor CEOs, less able to profit off the exploitation of their workforce. :-(
 
I don't get the outrage
It's his business.. He can charge what he wants..
If you don't like it, don't buy it... Free market but its his right to pass the cost to the consumer
 
While 15-20 more per pizza is not that bad, there's some knee jerky reaction about passing the buck to consumers that just irks me.

I wonder what is papa johns bottom line to see how much prorit it would eat.
 
shocking. every business pushes their increased expenses onto consumers. why is this such a big deal?
 
Papa John’s CEO: ObamaCare Means Higher Pizza Prices


1. Papa Johns Pizza sucks
2. Good for Dominoes and Pizza Hut's business. Go for it, Papa John Schnatter.
3. You are an asshole if you want to shift costs on consumers for giving your employees healthcare.
4. Papa John Schnatter should shut the fuck up.

Edit:
Other than calling him an asshole, you don't bring much to the table to argue about. He's an asshole, ok. Doesn't change the fact that plenty of companies are thinking the same way he is, and it sucks. Not unexpected though. American companies don't like adding costs for the good of society.


shocking. every business pushes their increased expenses onto consumers. why is this such a big deal?
This.
 
Very smart idea. Everybody who would possibly eat at Papa John's will certainly be delighted that you are so eager to PASS IT ALONG TO THEM!

You know, it's not so bad that they have to raise the prices by a certain amount. It's the attitude: "YE, JUST BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE, YOU POOR PEOPLE ARE NOW GONNA HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR ME TO PROTECT MY SHAREHOLDERS!!!!"

Wow. That people that have so little cognitive ability to realize that this statement is just BAD for your business are put in CEO positions, it's just mind-boggling.
 
Schattenjäger;44617438 said:
I don't get the outrage
It's his business.. He can charge what he wants..
If you don't like it, don't buy it... Free market but its his right to pass the cost to the consumer

I don't get the point of this post. No one is saying this is outside of his rights. It just makes him look like an ass.

He made this into a political issue unnecessarily, or at least he appears cheap. He could have hiked up the prices that small amount without having to make an announcement, or, for the sake of increasing his employees' well-being accept the cost. Instead he says that the shareholders are more important than the people who buy his pizzas when the amount of money involved is negligible.
 
Schattenjäger;44617438 said:
I don't get the outrage
It's his business.. He can charge what he wants..
If you don't like it, don't buy it... Free market but its his right to pass the cost to the consumer

The outrage is that the guy used his business as a political platform to voice a singular opinion about public policy. Had John just went about his business and started slowly raising the price of his pies nobody would be talking about this shit.

edit: I didn't read your post till now Kilgore, yea what he said.
 
Schattenjäger;44617438 said:
I don't get the outrage
It's his business.. He can charge what he wants..
If you don't like it, don't buy it... Free market but its his right to pass the cost to the consumer

So in your opinion, a free market means a company gets to do whatever it wants--including talk about why it's doing what it's doing, and your only response to this is to choose not to buy it. You are not allowed to complain about it, either to the company or in general. You aren't allowed to express an opinion on whether it's good for society or not. If you are not a customer, you can't say anything at all.

... does this make any sense?
 
But it's the cheese. I swear to the pizza gods, Papa John's uses tire rubber instead of cheese.

For me it's that rubbery crust. Papa John's is not something Rob ate before but my wife likes it. When I informed her about these shenanigans she decided to boycott them too. Plus I have this a block from my house. No losses here.

iflyVTVxyHhPo.jpg
 
So in your opinion, a free market means a company gets to do whatever it wants--including talk about why it's doing what it's doing, and your only response to this is to choose not to buy it. You are not allowed to complain about it, either to the company or in general. You aren't allowed to express an opinion on whether it's good for society or not. If you are not a customer, you can't say anything at all.

... does this make any sense?
I never said you can't complain - its your right to complain - but complaining isn't going to do anything - if someone is very against it, just don't shop there
IMO - a businessman's first priority is profits, not society
 
Schattenjäger;44619704 said:
I never said you can't complain - its your right to complain - but complaining isn't going to do anything - if someone is very against it, just don't shop there
IMO - a businessman's first priority is profits, not society

A businessman's stance can be affected when he sees the negative publicity generated by his statements and the subsequent threat of boycotts from costumers. On an individual level you might have a point that complaining might accomplish nothing, but some people make their decisions on principle and not on whether or not their actions will achieve results.
 
What if he made a few 100 millions less? He still has millions! The super rich are the true leeches, they suck the country dry and refuse to pay their fair share in taxes.
 
The outrage is that the guy used his business as a political platform to voice a singular opinion about public policy. Had John just went about his business and started slowly raising the price of his pies nobody would be talking about this shit.

edit: I didn't read your post till now Kilgore, yea what he said.

Also, he already has profit margins of 41%. He is being a fucking asshole to his employees by not spending the 11 cents on his employees already (Without force of law), and he is being an asshole to consumers by passing the 11 cents on to them instead of, god forbid, acknowledging that part of running a business is taking care of the people who make you money. That's called morality.
 
I'm fine with him passing the costs along. Consumers should by rights pay more to eat horribly. I know I'm guilty of it, I eat pizza way too frequently if I am being honest about it.
 
Also, he already has profit margins of 41%. He is being a fucking asshole to his employees by not spending the 11 cents on his employees already (Without force of law), and he is being an asshole to consumers by passing the 11 cents on to them instead of, god forbid, acknowledging that part of running a business is taking care of the people who make you money. That's called morality.

The guy that gives away 2 million pizzas has to raise prices to provide a basic need for the people that make money for him. Scumbag John.
 
I'm fine with him passing the costs along. Consumers should by rights pay more to eat horribly. I know I'm guilty of it, I eat pizza way too frequently if I am being honest about it.

As everyone should. I am as well, but this dick put his dick in his mouth. The cost of doing business is simply that. It costs, but invest it right and it pays off.
 
Man. I don't know how I feel about this. Scumbag CEO... but Peyton Manning...

Luckily Papa John doesn't need to increase costs in Canada as the company isn't paying for healthcare... because healthcare is free! *yes, we pay taxes for that but those taxes are cheaper than your taxes+healthcare dual costs.
 
Slate.com had a write-up how it's just a gimmick to blame ACA for rising costs.


Keep Tipping Your Servers
Owners of Applebees, Denny’s, and Papa John’s are whining about Obamacare. Don’t take them seriously.
Partial excerpt.
Low-income workers—the kind of people likely to be working as servers at Denny’s—really will see huge benefits from the law. And the kind of people who own dozens of chain restaurant franchises really will suffer, at least a bit.
The main issue facing chain restaurant owners is the law’s “employer responsibility” provision. If you’re a small employer with fewer than 25 employees, the Affordable Care Act is extremely generous to you and you’ll get special subsidies to help make an insurance plan for your workers affordable. But if you have over 50 employees, then it’s another matter.If everyone on your payroll already gets group health insurance, you’re in the clear. If they don’t, but they’re all paid enough to buy insurance on the new insurance exchanges without a subsidy, then you’re also in the clear. But if you’re employing low-wage workers who’ll get subsidies for their new insurance plans, then you’re going to get taxed to the tune of $2,000 a worker.[/B]
For a few categories of employer, this is supposed to encourage businesses to offer health insurance. But in many cases, especially in the food service sector, it’ll be much cheaper to pay the tax than to add a more generous benefits package. Naturally employers don’t like that.

Indeed, evidence from San Francisco suggests we should be very suspicious of firms pleading poverty as they charge surcharges. The city adopted pioneering universal health care legislation that, like Obamacare, imposed higher costs on some classes of employers. Many of them responded with special health care surcharges. Upon investigation, much of this surcharge money just ended up in the pockets of business owners, as with any other price increase.

Maybe specifically blaming Obama for price hikes with a special surcharge will make customers feel better about paying more, or maybe whining will drive liberal customers away. But there’s no reason to take this any more seriously than any other marketing gimmick.

http://www.slate.com/articles/busin...amacare_denny_s_applebee_s_and_the_pizza.html

In August they also published this

Papa John's Real ObamaCare Problem

The biggest problem for John Schnatter personally is that he'll pay higher taxes) isn't that the Affordable Care Act will raise its labor cost, it's that it'll lower labor costs for its competitors.

n a lot of lines of business, you basically have big companies competing with other big companies. But food service in general and pizza in particular aren't like that. Obviously Papa John's does compete with Dominoes and other large chains. But a huge share of the pizza market is held by non-chain operators.

And now along comes ObamaCare to subsidize the competition. Not for any particular policy reason closely tailored to the goals of the law, but basically for the sake of a talking point—Democrats can say, accurately, that, far from burdening small businesses, the Affordable Care Act goes out of its way to help them.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox..._real_problem_is_subsidizing_competitors.html
 
The outrage is that the guy used his business as a political platform to voice a singular opinion about public policy.

Time to play Devil's Advocate:

So then why did GAF praise every actor, musician, etc for using their heightened exposure to praise policy? Its no different than this douche for using his business. Does this only apply when it goes against policy? I'm curious since... oh wait...

neogaf.gif

;)
 
Time to play Devil's Advocate:

So then why did GAF praise every actor, musician, etc for using their heightened exposure to praise policy? Its no different than this douche for using his business. Does this only apply when it goes against policy? I'm curious since... oh wait...

neogaf.gif

;)

I don't mind advocacy, but when some employers kind of held their employees or customers hostage in a way to try to get their desired result. Like the guy that basically told his employees that there'd have to be layoffs if Obama were reelected...

It just has a real "That's a nice _______ you got there, it'd be a shame if anything happened to it" kind of feel, and that really turns a lot of people off.
 
So companies are not allowed to move increased costs into prices?

Company = non-profit charity organization?

they can do it, they're still assholes. Just because they do what maximizes profit for their shareholders doesn't mean they're even halfway decent people, they can still be slime and in fact often are.

By they I of course mean executives etc.


My outrage is that the only thing that means anything to Papa John is his fucking shareholders. employees and customers aint shit to him.

But hey, that's only every company today. so congratulations on that whole capitalism system.
 
Time to play Devil's Advocate:

So then why did GAF praise every actor, musician, etc for using their heightened exposure to praise policy? Its no different than this douche for using his business. Does this only apply when it goes against policy? I'm curious since... oh wait...

you're terrible at this...
 
I don't really give a shit that prices go up by a tiny fraction. I give a shit that he thinks announcing it like some kind of punishment is a good idea.
 
Guys I was doing some research and it appears that the prices for Papa John's pizza have risen steadily since its founding in 1984. Do you think this was in anticipation of Obamacare?
 
Can't say for sure what Papa John's is like in the US (though judging from the reactions, it's not good), but here in the UK it's like eating rubber.

So no big loss.
 
...15 to 20 cents more per order? Pretty steep.

Sure, shift the costs over to me, I'm sure I can find a quarter in the couch cushions somewhere.
 
Schattenjäger;44619704 said:
I never said you can't complain - its your right to complain - but complaining isn't going to do anything - if someone is very against it, just don't shop there
IMO - a businessman's first priority is profits, not society

Papa John's complaining isn't going to do anything. Your complaining about other people complaining isn't going to do anything. How far can we go down this rabbit hole?
 
Schattenjäger;44619704 said:
I never said you can't complain - its your right to complain - but complaining isn't going to do anything - if someone is very against it, just don't shop there
IMO - a businessman's first priority is profits, not society

If we couldn't complain about anything, this would be a very boring forum.
 
Slate.com had a write-up how it's just a gimmick to blame ACA for rising costs.


Keep Tipping Your Servers
Owners of Applebees, Denny’s, and Papa John’s are whining about Obamacare. Don’t take them seriously.
Partial excerpt.


http://www.slate.com/articles/busin...amacare_denny_s_applebee_s_and_the_pizza.html

In August they also published this

Papa John's Real ObamaCare Problem


http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox..._real_problem_is_subsidizing_competitors.html

I didn't realize Obamacare subsidized small businesses like that. Beautiful.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom