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Path of Exile 2 - THE Game to Save Gaming

ap_puff

Banned
Bummer. Don't games like Overwatch, Rocket League and Fortnite have this functionality?
I think you have to be a big enough game to force Sony to the bargaining table. For example Genshin has this restriction, but Zenless Zone Zero doesn't presumably because Mihoyo games are so big now they have the leverage to alter the terms in their favor.
 

DavidGzz

Gold Member
Bummer. Don't games like Overwatch, Rocket League and Fortnite have this functionality?

Idk, I don't play online games much but I heard PoE didn't require PS+ so I was going to give it a go, then I heard Rax mention something about Sony not playing nice so I googled to see what he was talking about. Maybe they allow it but charge a fee, and GGG didn't want to pay? Beats me.
 
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bender

What time is it?
I think you have to be a big enough game to force Sony to the bargaining table. For example Genshin has this restriction, but Zenless Zone Zero doesn't presumably because Mihoyo games are so big now they have the leverage to alter the terms in their favor.

Probably correct.

Idk, I don't play online games much but I heard PoE didn't requir PS+ so I was going to give it a go, then I heard Rax mention something about Sony not playing nice so I googled to see what he was talking about. Maybe they allow it but charge a fee, and GGG didn't want to pay? Beats me.

Kind of strange considering the recent previews with @yosp but the left hand doesn't always know what the right hand is doing.
 

Spyxos

Member
So, I have the Pro, so I was going to also purchase for PS but any transaction(mtx) you buy on Steam/GGG won't be usable on PSN or vice versa. That SUCKS. Guess I will go with Xbox.

"Unfortunately, any purchases made on PlayStation platforms cannot be used on other platforms, and purchases made on other platforms cannot be used on PlayStation platforms. Note that these purchases can still be on the same sub-account, but the microtransactions will be marked as unavailable when viewing them in your stash."



Thats so lame. Then Xbox and Pc it is...
 
I played the original Diablo demo (which I really liked, but was a broke kid and ended up never getting the game). Then uhhh... played just a little bit of Torchlight and Titan Quest. Wasn't super impressed with either one of those.

But, I'm getting kind of annoyed with Destiny 2 and the shitty build-crafting it has... that is most of the text descriptions are inaccurate, they don't give you actual numbers for buffs and the like, and then stuff is constantly tweaked and changed so there's really no point in working on a build instead of just outsourcing it to some YouTubers who do all the testing and figure out what is and isn't broken. Warframe seemed way better in that regard but not sure I want to put significant time into another looter shooter. And I find TPP kind of obnoxious for the actual shooting bit.

So.. is PoE2 right for me? Is the endgame solo or do you need teammates? If you do need teammates is there matchmaking, and is that adequate?
 
I played the original Diablo demo (which I really liked, but was a broke kid and ended up never getting the game). Then uhhh... played just a little bit of Torchlight and Titan Quest. Wasn't super impressed with either one of those.

But, I'm getting kind of annoyed with Destiny 2 and the shitty build-crafting it has... that is most of the text descriptions are inaccurate, they don't give you actual numbers for buffs and the like, and then stuff is constantly tweaked and changed so there's really no point in working on a build instead of just outsourcing it to some YouTubers who do all the testing and figure out what is and isn't broken. Warframe seemed way better in that regard but not sure I want to put significant time into another looter shooter. And I find TPP kind of obnoxious for the actual shooting bit.

So.. is PoE2 right for me? Is the endgame solo or do you need teammates? If you do need teammates is there matchmaking, and is that adequate?
I just watched an interview with a developer who said their game design philosophy is all content in the game should be able to be completed as a solo player. Not sure if there is matchmaking or not. In early access, the campaign is said to last about 25 hours before you hit new game plus, and there are six character classes. I'd wait for reviews, and try the game after that if it sounds fun.
 

Luipadre

Member


-Campaign about 35-40 hours
-"Dark Souls of ARGPs" another reviewer thought the same thing
-No difficulty options
-No easy game
-Lots of challenging boss fights
-Feels so rewarding to beat them
-Dark Souls and Elden Ring feeling
-Maps are astronomically large (1 h from side to side)
-Maps feel a little bit empty in terms of events
-Scratched the tiniest surface of the game after 40 hours
-Great sense of discovery (mechanics, builds and lore)
-Feels like 3 games into one -Almost limitless combinations of builds
-Lot easier to respec your skills -50-100 changes was no problem
-Outstanding dark theme art direction
-Clearly inspired by Diablo 2
-Details on skill effects and boss designs are the best in the industry in the ARPG genre
-Blown away by the amount of detail
-Most dynamic combat in an ARPG
-Switch to controller was a revelation
-Feels like a game that was designed for controller first
-Plays even better than Diablo 4 with a controller
-Potential to be the alltime king of the genre
-Some bugs and crashes occurred
-Strong believe that the developers will join the annals of greatness alongside Larian Studios and FromSoftware
 

amigastar

Member


-Campaign about 35-40 hours
-"Dark Souls of ARGPs" another reviewer thought the same thing
-No difficulty options
-No easy game
-Lots of challenging boss fights
-Feels so rewarding to beat them
-Dark Souls and Elden Ring feeling
-Maps are astronomically large (1 h from side to side)
-Maps feel a little bit empty in terms of events
-Scratched the tiniest surface of the game after 40 hours
-Great sense of discovery (mechanics, builds and lore)
-Feels like 3 games into one -Almost limitless combinations of builds
-Lot easier to respec your skills -50-100 changes was no problem
-Outstanding dark theme art direction
-Clearly inspired by Diablo 2
-Details on skill effects and boss designs are the best in the industry in the ARPG genre
-Blown away by the amount of detail
-Most dynamic combat in an ARPG
-Switch to controller was a revelation
-Feels like a game that was designed for controller first
-Plays even better than Diablo 4 with a controller
-Potential to be the alltime king of the genre
-Some bugs and crashes occurred
-Strong believe that the developers will join the annals of greatness alongside Larian Studios and FromSoftware

Thats a point I'm not sure about. I usually play my ARpgs with M&K but this one i might play with controller.
 

Lokaum D+

Member
In the FAQ on their website, they say that early access is given to people who have spent at least 480$ on POE1.

So you didn't get an early access for free, you got it by buying at least 480$ of products on their 1st game.
If that's the case we're talking whale management not generosity.
Poe is a game from 2013, do you really think that spending 480$ during 10 year spam is whaling?
 

amigastar

Member
Im 100% playing on controller
Fextralife said in his Preview, it was a revelation once he switched to controller and that the game was designed with Controller in mind.
Edit: I see you've mentioned it in your Post, my bad.
But yeah i'm gonna play it on controller then.
 
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clarky

Gold Member
I'm super hyped for this.

Everything about it looks fucking awesome. Everyone who's played it says nothing but great things.

6 days and counting........
 
So, I have the Pro, so I was going to also purchase for PS but any transaction(mtx) you buy on Steam/GGG won't be usable on PSN or vice versa. That SUCKS. Guess I will go with Xbox.

"Unfortunately, any purchases made on PlayStation platforms cannot be used on other platforms, and purchases made on other platforms cannot be used on PlayStation platforms. Note that these purchases can still be on the same sub-account, but the microtransactions will be marked as unavailable when viewing them in your stash."



They obviously couldn't come to an agreement or something because this functionality should definitely work. I played Sea of Thieves on PC and then bought it again on PS5 to play with my daughter and all my cosmetics were straight away available on the PS5. Same goes for Valorant. GGG and Sony need to work harder and get it working as it's completely unfair that one system is excluded.
 

DavidGzz

Gold Member


-"Dark Souls of ARGPs" another reviewer thought the same thing
-No difficulty options
-No easy game
-Lots of challenging boss fights
-Feels so rewarding to beat them
-Dark Souls and Elden Ring feeling
-Maps are astronomically
-Clearly inspired by Diablo 2
-Details on skill effects and boss designs are the best in the industry in the ARPG genre
-Blown away by the amount of detail
-Most dynamic combat in an ARPG
-Switch to controller was a revelation
-Feels like a game that was designed for controller first
-Plays even better than Diablo 4 with a controller
-Potential to be the alltime king of the genre
-Strong believe that the developers will join the annals of greatness alongside Larian Studios and FromSoftware


Hell yeah! I knew it appeared to be inspired by Dark Souls. Rogers is a genius to marry both of these genres. D2 plus Dark Souls. That's the dream game I wanted Blizzard to make. When I heard that Project Fenris, which was supposed to be Blizzard's Dark Souls Diablo game was canceled, I was bummed. GGG is getting it done! After these previews my hopes of playing at launch have diminished greatly lol. Queues for days.
 
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Luipadre

Member
Hell yeah! I knew it appeared to be inspired by Dark Souls. Rogers is a genius to marry both of these genres. D2 plus Dark Souls. That's the dream game I wanted Blizzard to make. When I heard that Project Fenris, which was supposed to be Blizzard's Dark Souls Diablo game was canceled, I was bummed. GGG is getting it done! After these previews my hopes of playing at launch have diminished greatly lol. Queues for days.

Servers will definitely gonna be on fire on the 6th. Indi comes out too on the same day so im probably gonna play that while the servers are recovering lol
 
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Zathalus

Member
So, I have the Pro, so I was going to also purchase for PS but any transaction(mtx) you buy on Steam/GGG won't be usable on PSN or vice versa. That SUCKS. Guess I will go with Xbox.

"Unfortunately, any purchases made on PlayStation platforms cannot be used on other platforms, and purchases made on other platforms cannot be used on PlayStation platforms. Note that these purchases can still be on the same sub-account, but the microtransactions will be marked as unavailable when viewing them in your stash."



Well that makes me really not give a damn about the PS5 version. Man Sony is really good at making PSN the worst digital store right now.
 

MaKTaiL

Member
Well that makes me really not give a damn about the PS5 version. Man Sony is really good at making PSN the worst digital store right now.
Not Sony's fault. I played countless games that transfer items and even premium currency between platforms. Something else must have happened.
 
Not Sony's fault. I played countless games that transfer items and even premium currency between platforms. Something else must have happened.
Some fault must lie with Sony as if it was just up to GGG then the functionality would be in place. They obviously couldn't agree on something or other. GGG needs to step up and push harder and make it happen.
 

ap_puff

Banned
Some fault must lie with Sony as if it was just up to GGG then the functionality would be in place. They obviously couldn't agree on something or other. GGG needs to step up and push harder and make it happen.
It's a contractual requirement by Sony, iirc during the Epic vs Apple case there were leaked docs that show Sony tries to set terms where if mtx spending differs from platform activity (i.e. if the playerbase spends 90% of the time on Playstation but buys only 50% of mtx on Playstation) then the publishers have to pay some sort of fee or royalty.
 

whyman

Member
My problem with any ARPG these days is that the thing they are charging extra for (cool looking gear) is the only thing I really don’t want them to charge for. Finding super rare loot in an ARPG is the reward for thousands of hours of grinding. Is there any studio out there working on a game that does not charge mtx for cosmetics?
 

amigastar

Member
My problem with any ARPG these days is that the thing they are charging extra for (cool looking gear) is the only thing I really don’t want them to charge for. Finding super rare loot in an ARPG is the reward for thousands of hours of grinding. Is there any studio out there working on a game that does not charge mtx for cosmetics?
See, thats something i could never do, grinding for thousands of hours. I'm not a professional streamer or player, i just wanna play my games and not grind endlessly.
 
It's a contractual requirement by Sony, iirc during the Epic vs Apple case there were leaked docs that show Sony tries to set terms where if mtx spending differs from platform activity (i.e. if the playerbase spends 90% of the time on Playstation but buys only 50% of mtx on Playstation) then the publishers have to pay some sort of fee or royalty.
So basically GGG are being cheap then.
 
Like I said, you probably have to have a certain level of bargaining power to even get Sony to budge on those terms. PoE 1 has a solid following but it's mainly a PC game. Sony ain't know nothin' bout that.
will be one of the few times its better to play on Xbox as a console choice regardless.


And if they dont know about POE2…they going to find out.
 

DavidGzz

Gold Member
So basically GGG are being cheap then.

Or the much larger and richer company is being greedy. Some of both, but if I were in GGG's shoes, I wouldn't want to deal with Sony and that silly requirement either. PC is their main platform anyway. Maybe when they release it in 1.0 instead of spending the money now in EA.

Luipadre Luipadre did that video get taken down? I click on it and it takes me to the youtube home page. I wonder if it broke NDA.
 
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Like I said, you probably have to have a certain level of bargaining power to even get Sony to budge on those terms. PoE 1 has a solid following but it's mainly a PC game. Sony ain't know nothin' bout that.
Or the much larger and richer company is being greedy. Some of both, but if I were in GGG's shoes, I wouldn't want to deal with Sony and that silly requirement either. PC is their main platform anyway.
Would be nice to know console numbers for PoE 1 or pre-orders for PoE 2 early access on consoles. Doubt we will get it, especially with early access packs not going live on PlayStation until the day of launch. Either way, it's a shitty situation for players like me that have stash tabs on both PC and PS5 for the first game, and was hoping to have them consolidated on the new iteration. Pretty sure they said early on that all your MTX would be available in the second game, but if you want to get technical I guess they maybe didn't say cross platform. But it was expected.
 

ap_puff

Banned
Would be nice to know console numbers for PoE 1 or pre-orders for PoE 2 early access on consoles. Doubt we will get it, especially with early access packs not going live on PlayStation until the day of launch. Either way, it's a shitty situation for players like me that have stash tabs on both PC and PS5 for the first game, and was hoping to have them consolidated on the new iteration. Pretty sure they said early on that all your MTX would be available in the second game, but if you want to get technical I guess they maybe didn't say cross platform. But it was expected.
Your stash tabs should be active across your whole account, it's just if you buy coins on pc you can't spend them on ps5 and if you buy them on ps5 you can't spend them anywhere else
 

DavidGzz

Gold Member
Your stash tabs should be active across your whole account, it's just if you buy coins on pc you can't spend them on ps5 and if you buy them on ps5 you can't spend them anywhere else

You sure? I thought all micros would be unavailable going by what I posted.

Edit: Oh, you mean normal stash. I am talking about extra stash bought with real money.
 
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Pop

Member
-"Dark Souls of ARGPs" another reviewer thought the same thing
-No difficulty options
-No easy game


Awesome to know, saves me 30 bucks.
nervous soul food GIF by WE tv
 
Your stash tabs should be active across your whole account, it's just if you buy coins on pc you can't spend them on ps5 and if you buy them on ps5 you can't spend them anywhere else
I'm talking about purchased stash tabs like currency, map, essence, etc. Pretty sure my PC paid for tabs aren't available on PS5 and vice versa, unless I've misread what they said but that's how it sounds to me.
 

Aces High

Gold Member
See, thats something i could never do, grinding for thousands of hours. I'm not a professional streamer or player, i just wanna play my games and not grind endlessly.
You don't need to grind.

You can just do a playthrough and move on.

Maybe you do a second playthrough with another class sometimes.
 

chakadave

Member
See, thats something i could never do, grinding for thousands of hours. I'm not a professional streamer or player, i just wanna play my games and not grind endlessly.
Poe was great for this. Playing hardcore you could just experiment and try to make it further each time. No pressue. Just fun playing with the mechanics and skills. If you die you go to vanilla.

Start or try a new character or keep playing in vanilla.

I think I played a 100 hours and didn’t even make it to endgame. It was just fun.

The way they do drops and skills makes it exciting. Imp.

That’s how I like to play ARPGs. I don’t like the ones like D2 where you can break your character. I like it when min maxing isn’t really necessary. That’s why I like titan quest and Grim Dawn.
 
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Aces High

Gold Member
oh wow, reading more about this and it looks like you might be right, that's fucking awful. That means that you can't use your PC-bought cosmetics or tabs on PS5 and vice versa. what the fuck
What Sony is doing here is incredibly short-sighted and counterproductive.

They chose short-term profit over long-term brand integrity.

And it's pretty obvious that these kind of decisions are being made by incompetent suits who don't play games themselves.

One reason why Valve is dominating for decades is the principle of reciprocity:

Valve demonstrates generosity and convenience, and in return they gain immense goodwill.

Players trust Valve. They feel treated fairly and remain loyal.

Sony, on the other hand, signals to players, that they priotize profits over user experience.

It's simple: People love freedom of choice. Sony doesn't give freedom of choice and is thereby missing a growth opportunity.

The irony:

Sony’s massive success with the PS4 was built on understanding the exact principles they're now undermining with the PS5. Remember Shu and Adam sharing a game and by that destroying all of Microsof's marketing efforts with one short video? The stark contrast between Sony’s PS4 era and its current strategy is striking.

With PS5, Sony slips into the same traps that doomed Xbox.

The narrative is flipping.

The goodwill is fading.

That's what you get for hiring incompetent corporate acolytes who mask greed as strategy.
 
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Luipadre Luipadre did that video get taken down? I click on it and it takes me to the youtube home page. I wonder if it broke NDA.

Unfortunately there was a miscommunication with Fextralife that resulted in a video being posted early. This was a mistake on our end, and is in no way on Fextralife. On release day, we want players to be able to make a more informed choice about if they would like to buy a key. We believe that allowing traditional games media access should be able to accomplish this without spoiling the game.

 
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Fuck fextralife.

Dude is a fucking scumbag posting that video.

Dude needs to be permabanned from everything. Cheated fake views on twitch and now to make a quick buck he loopholes this video and has GGG take the fall for him.

Douchebag.

Any evidence for that? Because it seems to go against what GGG have said. I can see a possibility where he asked if he can still make preview content and he was told yes. There wasn't a score given, so that would make sense. I don't quite understand why so many people hate that channel, but his actual you tube content seems fine to me, and I don't really watch twitch.
 
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As someone who has never played a game like this what really stands out to me is-

Game feel/look. The combat looks so satisfying and chunky.

Combat Depth/Complexity. The way you seem to be able to fluidly combine powers is incredible. Reminds me almost of an old school hack and slash like DMC and ninja gaiden.

This made me check out Diablo 4 and frankly it looks night and day.

Time to insult Dark souls!

For all the talk about Dark souls influencing this well Dark souls wishes it had this level of complexity.

Firstly Darks souls essentially boils down to sticking with one weapon and spamming r1 and dodge rolling.

Secondly there's really only 2 classes in Souls melee and mage. Melee I just described and Mage is an absolute ball ache to change spells mid battle that in the end you just spam the most powerful one. All the classes in this look really diverse and this is only half of them?!

Honestly FromSoftware better watch out and start taking notes!

I'm gonna make a predication now that this game will do too Diablo 4 what Fortnite did to PUBG!

My only worry is that I might get overwhelmed with mechanics and systems early.
 
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