On mobile, but Patrick's driver is a cop.
http://mobile.buffalonews.com/?arti...anes-driver-on-night-of-alleged-rape-20150815
Pretty much the same thing in my eyes. Treating it as an unknown until the facts come out is presumed innocence.No it isn't. Playing neutral is withholding judgement from being guilty or innocent.
That's the craziest thing about this yet. A high profile rape investigation that's at risk of being compromised due to possible evidence tampering, witness intimidation, and/or fraud, and the FBI shrugs it's shoulders and says, "Meh?"The FBI doesn't seem to deem it worthy of an investigation.
https://twitter.com/DaveMcKinley2/status/646773046615764995
The FBI doesn't seem to deem it worthy of an investigation.
So it's likely some crazy police person is either a really big fan of Kane or not a fan of him AT ALL.
So you would be able to continue going to your day job if you were being investigated for rape and tampered evidence had just been discovered?
No, I'm talking about why the accuser's attorney held a press conference about the bag rather than bringing it to the attention of the police first. The attorney is clearly making a case that the evidence was tampered, and the police department is saying they have the rape kit intact. The fact that those two statements contradict each other is a sign that the attorney is bringing this information to light in a press conference and did not consult with the police department or other law enforcement.
Well, if it helps you sleep at night I'll probably never be allowed on a jury for a rape case because of my beliefs.This is honestly one of the most senseless, thoughtless things I've ever read. It's people like you who are responsible for false convictions without evidence. Jumping to conclusions based on opinions and not of facts. I can't count how many people have lost their lives or had their lives ruined because people jumped to conclusions without facts. Until there is enough evidence to prove that someone is guilty, they are presumed innocent.
@ShawnMcKenzieSN 3m3 minutes ago
Thomas Eoannou "If it was a hoax it was a darn good hoax because it's an original evidence tag."
@ShawnMcKenzieSN 2m2 minutes ago
More from Eoannou "that is an authentic sticker with my clients identifying characteristic, the rape kit number and the nurses Initials."
Victim's attorney
Well, if it helps you sleep at night I'll probably never be allowed on a jury for a rape case because of my beliefs.
If you can't count the number of people who have had their lives ruined by false convictions (even MORE rare than false accusation given the abysmal conviction rate of rape cases), how about you go find me some receipts? I assure you it is dwarfed by the number of rape survivors who never see their rapist convicted.
You can be found legally innocent of a crime. I'm not sure how it works but it does happen.
Pretty much the same thing in my eyes. Treating it as an unknown until the facts come out is presumed innocence.
which is the belief system that causes someone to be outraged by someone more sympathetic to an alleged rape victim than an alleged rapist?I've never heard of belief system that causes you to have no ability to comprehend information and make a rational decision.
LOL, rereading that sentence I realized that pretty much all religions require you to do this so please disregard.
I don't think anyone is saying he should rot in jail already or that he doesn't deserve a trial before being called legally guilty. But as I said earlier in the thread, playing hockey is not a right. That's an entirely separate issue from this.That's an interesting opinion. I hope you're not referring to me!
I'm a big Hawks fan, but I am totally neutral on the Kane case, because I, like you, don't know the facts and am not playing backseat lawyers. He fucking deserves some people defending him and his right to be innocent until proven guilty.
If it comes out that he is guilty, then he's officially a scumbag and can rot in jail. That is when I'll do my 180.
I don't think anyone is saying he should rot in jail already or that he doesn't deserve a trial before being called legally guilty. But as I said earlier in the thread, playing hockey is not a right. That's entirely separate issue from this.
Professional sports pale in comparison to the severity of these charges. No good reason why he can't step away until this is over/
And it still means nothing compared to this. I love sports and I love following them, but playing them is not a basic human right. They're games, regardless of the level they're being played at.I would be willing to bet Hockey is very close to the top of the list of things he loves more than anything else.
And it still means nothing compared to this. I love sports and I love following them, but playing them is not a basic human right. They're games, regardless of the level they're being played at.
And again, I'm not saying to flush anything down the toilet. They shouldn't rip up his contract, they shouldn't come break his legs so he can never play hockey again. But it seems like common sense to me to have him step away from the team. The longer he doesn't, the worse it looks.
Even one of the teams I root for (San Francisco 49ers) have been guilty of letting guys stick around during legal problems and I remember agreeing with local writers saying that they needed to be suspended (with pay if need be) and not be a part of the team for a time. It's simply an awful look for the organization.
Huh. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.You missing my point, to him its not a game. To him its his life and its not easy to be one of the best in the world at something. He hasn't even been charged yet, all it is right now is media. No way in hell he should step aside at this stage its asinine to even suggest. You do not just quit because some one accuses you of something.
Huh. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I simply can't place sports on that sort of pedestal. They just aren't that important, regardless of how good someone is. And any organization that tries to carry on as usual through something like is pathetic at best imo.
It is my rational decision that I believe women who say they have been sexually assaulted. I came to this conclusion by evaluating the statistics and determining that treating every situation like it's a he said she said and immediately trying to call into question her story is p shitty.I've never heard of belief system that causes you to have no ability to comprehend information and make a rational decision.
LOL, rereading that sentence I realized that pretty much all religions require you to do this so please disregard.
Fixed because uh there's very, very rarely justice for rapists. Especially rich and famous ones.If he is guilty he will get what he will probably walk away without being convicted because he has a lot of money, rape cases are prosecuted horribly, and juries are easily swayed by idiotic things like the woman's number of sexual partners or clothes.
It is my rational decision that I believe women who say they have been sexually assaulted. I came to this conclusion by evaluating the statistics and determining that treating every situation like it's a he said she said and immediately trying to call into question her story is p shitty.
Again...huh??? This has everything to do with sport. His life isn't in danger. His freedom shouldn't be either. Simply his availability to a hockey team to play hockey. That's all I'm talking about.It has nothing to do with sport, it has to do with a persons life.
Again...huh??? This everything to do with sport. His life isn't in danger. His freedom shouldn't be either. Simply his availability to a hockey team. To play hockey. That's all I'm talking about.
I believe that there have been false accusations leveled against people. But I also feel like people want to spend too much time worrying about them, which sickens me given how frequently rapists walk away scot free. I don't feel any need to fight for that because all it does is give survivors more reasons to be uncomfortable about stepping forward.Well your "rational decision" is delusional. Do you honestly believe that never in the history of the world has a person been wrongly accused by another? It seems far more likely you have a completely biased view towards men in this situation.
You aren't considering the business side of this.So if he was a plumber he should be allowed to go to work but because his profession is a hockey player he shouldn't? Does this carry over to anyone famous or public or only athletes?
You aren't considering the business side of this.
I believe that there have been false accusations leveled against people. But I also feel like people want to spend too much time worrying about them, which sickens me given how frequently rapists walk away scot free. I don't feel any need to fight for that because all it does is give survivors more reasons to be uncomfortable about stepping forward.
I guess if that makes me biased against men I'll gladly wear that.
A plumber's situation does not carry the same public image / PR issue as a hockey player, c'mon...and even then, a suspension wouldn't be that crazy for someone in a regular job like a plumber. Or a suspension with pay.So if he was a plumber he should be allowed to go to work but because his profession is a hockey player he shouldn't? Does this carry over to anyone famous or public or only athletes?
To you, it's a sport. To an accused professional athlete, it's their vocation. To tell them to stop playing is being incredibly cavalier with their salary, especially considering the average length of a professional athlete's career. To tell their team's owner to suspend them with pay is being incredibly cavalier with someone else's money.Huh. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I simply can't place sports on that sort of pedestal. They just aren't that important, regardless of how good someone is. And any organization that tries to carry on as usual through something like is pathetic at best imo.
Sure, and there's no law saying they have to do anything of the sort. They just look like a complete joke if they don't imo.To tell their team's owner to suspend them with pay is being incredibly cavalier with someone else's money.
I believe that there have been false accusations leveled against people. But I also feel like people want to spend too much time worrying about them, which sickens me given how frequently rapists walk away scot free. I don't feel any need to fight for that because all it does is give survivors more reasons to be uncomfortable about stepping forward.
I guess if that makes me biased against men I'll gladly wear that.
Sure, and there's no law saying they have to do anything of the sort. They just look like a complete joke if they don't imo.
I never said it does. This has nothing to do with a court of law or his freedom. That's totally separate from hockey.Just because someone points a finger at someone and accuses them of a crime with very little to no evidence, doesn't make that person guilty in the court of law.
Sure, and there's no law saying they have to do anything of the sort. They just look like a complete joke if they don't imo.
That's the craziest thing about this yet. A high profile rape investigation that's at risk of being compromised due to possible evidence tampering, witness intimidation, and/or fraud, and the FBI shrugs it's shoulders and says, "Meh?"
Like most writers have been saying about this sort of thing for two years now, they can suspend with pay if needed.They look like a complete joke for not docking the pay of someone who hasn't even been charged yet? OK.
I'm not talking about some uniform law, it's a case by case thing. And in this case, the Blackhawks (or any organization that blindly soldiers on) look pathetic imo.
Like most writers have been saying about this sort of thing for two years now, they can suspend with pay if needed.
As I said in my post, we aren't talking about any sort of law. The Blackhawks are free to do whatever they want. I'm simply of the opinion that the Blackhawks have no clue how to handle this.Ah I get it, you want the law to be applied on an individual case by case basis. And public perception should be a factor on how and why the law is applied.
I never said it does. This has nothing to do with a court of law or his freedom. That's totally separate from hockey.
I didn't say they should be accused.So basically because some people get away with a crime, in your mind its just better to convict all future accused no need for a trial. In your mind they are simply guilty? You do realize that's insane right?
I don't even...huh???Are you trying to say that you would have no problem with your employer suspending you from working without pay. Are you trying to suggest that athletes should be held to different standards than non athletes?
I don't even...huh???
Nah, you nailed it. I've been saying suspend without pay this entire time, 100%. But my bad, y'all convinced me I was wrong.
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Source: Atty for accuser in Kane case had 4 former DAs & members of sex offense ofc verify evidence bag left on doorstep was authentic (1/2)
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within the last 24 hours & before they held press conference today. Met with DA today and turned over bag for investigation (2/2)
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Source: Evidence bags don't just get thrown out. They have to be destroyed. Fact one escaped police/DA custody is a big problem.
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Source: "You don't see those evidence bags outside the courtroom."
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Source: The bag delivered to the accuser's mother has now been turned over the DA and an investigation has been opened into the situation.
As I said in my post, we aren't talking about any sort of law. The Blackhawks are free to do whatever they want. I'm simply of the opinion that the Blackhawks have no clue how to handle this.
I mean shit, did you watch Kane's presser last week? They're clueless http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/sto...l-assault-allegations-case-chicago-blackhawks
It was merely the first link I saw on Google. I don't think anyone needs a headline to realize what a colossally terrible idea that presser was.Ha ha nice link, not biased at all with the massive headline and not a single second of Kane or the reporter saying anything remotely related to the headline.