Patrick Kane Accusers Attorney: Rape Kit Evidence Tampered with (Up: Faked)
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So what, people are taking massive leaps. Because your driver is a cop, he is going to risk his career, prison and tamper with evidence. Kane has such a great reputation for how he treats the people that drive him, LOL. He plays hockey he is not the fucking Godfather. Maybe her Dads, brothers, cousins, nephew is a cop and he did it for her. The whole thing is a shit show.
You can be found legally innocent of a crime. I'm not sure how it works but it does happen.
Pretty much the same thing in my eyes. Treating it as an unknown until the facts come out is presumed innocence.
HawksWinStanley
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The FBI doesn't seem to deem it worthy of an investigation.
https://twitter.com/DaveMcKinley2/status/646773046615764995
https://twitter.com/DaveMcKinley2/status/646773046615764995
Squirrel Killer
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That's the craziest thing about this yet. A high profile rape investigation that's at risk of being compromised due to possible evidence tampering, witness intimidation, and/or fraud, and the FBI shrugs it's shoulders and says, "Meh?"
State gets first dibs I do believe.
Yeah that was my reaction. Not really sure who this was meant to hurt. First I thought someone might be emotionally messing the the possible victims family and then of course the idea of tampering with evidence is meant to be against Kane.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Ex co-worker of mine worked for 6 months after he got busted for soliciting a minor online until his conviction. I work in an at-will employment state, too, so don't make shit up if you don't know how the real world is supposed to operate (read: innocent until proven guilty)
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
Ah, gotcha. Sorry, I obviously and wrongly thought you were talking about the initial one
Well, if it helps you sleep at night I'll probably never be allowed on a jury for a rape case because of my beliefs.
If you can't count the number of people who have had their lives ruined by false convictions (even MORE rare than false accusation given the abysmal conviction rate of rape cases), how about you go find me some receipts? I assure you it is dwarfed by the number of rape survivors who never see their rapist convicted.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Absolute madness.
I've never heard of belief system that causes you to have no ability to comprehend information and make a rational decision.
LOL, rereading that sentence I realized that pretty much all religions require you to do this so please disregard.
which is the belief system that causes someone to be outraged by someone more sympathetic to an alleged rape victim than an alleged rapist?
I don't think anyone is saying he should rot in jail already or that he doesn't deserve a trial before being called legally guilty. But as I said earlier in the thread, playing hockey is not a right. That's an entirely separate issue from this.
Professional sports pale in comparison to the severity of these charges. No good reason why he can't step away until this is over.
So someone accuses you of something you just flush you life's goal and ambition down the toilet. Kane aside athletes at his level and calibre do not just step aside, they don't just go oh sure no problem I just wont do that thing that is basically routed in the core of my being. I would be willing to bet Hockey is very close to the top of the list of things he loves more than anything else.
This could be witness intimidation.
Someone in the PD (even a contractor, custodian, building manager) gains access to the evidence bag, makes a forgery based on the original, and dumps it on the victim's mother's steps (her address would be unknown as well, correct? -something else someone with access would know).
Either that or this is the actual bag and the PD is covering it up (seems less likely).
Edit: third option, some party within the PD is tampering w/o knowledge of the higher-ups. So that makes this bag, and the bag the police presumably have 'authentic.'
Someone in the PD (even a contractor, custodian, building manager) gains access to the evidence bag, makes a forgery based on the original, and dumps it on the victim's mother's steps (her address would be unknown as well, correct? -something else someone with access would know).
Either that or this is the actual bag and the PD is covering it up (seems less likely).
Edit: third option, some party within the PD is tampering w/o knowledge of the higher-ups. So that makes this bag, and the bag the police presumably have 'authentic.'
And it still means nothing compared to this. I love sports and I love following them, but playing them is not a basic human right. They're games, regardless of the level they're being played at.
And again, I'm not saying to flush anything down the toilet. They shouldn't rip up his contract, they shouldn't come break his legs so he can never play hockey again. But it seems like common sense to me to have him step away from the team. The longer he doesn't, the worse it looks.
Even one of the teams I root for (San Francisco 49ers) have been guilty of letting guys stick around during legal problems and I remember agreeing with local writers saying that it was wrong. Hell, teams could suspend these guys with pay if they wanted to! Anything but the phony act of "business as usual".
You missing my point, to him its not a game. To him its his life and its not easy to be one of the best in the world at something. He hasn't even been charged yet, all it is right now is media. No way in hell he should step aside at this stage its asinine to even suggest. You do not just quit because some one accuses you of something.
Huh. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I simply can't place sports on that sort of pedestal. They just aren't that important, regardless of how good someone is. And any organization that tries to carry on as usual through something like is pathetic at best imo.
It has nothing to do with sport, it has to do with a persons life. You don't just quit because someone makes an accusation against you. If he is guilty he will get what he is due. Lets try and take your personal emotion out of it.
It is my rational decision that I believe women who say they have been sexually assaulted. I came to this conclusion by evaluating the statistics and determining that treating every situation like it's a he said she said and immediately trying to call into question her story is p shitty.
Fixed because uh there's very, very rarely justice for rapists. Especially rich and famous ones.
Well your "rational decision" is delusional. Do you honestly believe that never in the history of the world has a person been wrongly accused by another? It seems far more likely you have a completely biased view towards men in this situation.
Again...huh??? This has everything to do with sport. His life isn't in danger. His freedom shouldn't be either. Simply his availability to a hockey team to play hockey. That's all I'm talking about.
So if he was a plumber he should be allowed to go to work but because his profession is a hockey player he shouldn't? Does this carry over to anyone famous or public or only athletes?
I believe that there have been false accusations leveled against people. But I also feel like people want to spend too much time worrying about them, which sickens me given how frequently rapists walk away scot free. I don't feel any need to fight for that because all it does is give survivors more reasons to be uncomfortable about stepping forward.
I guess if that makes me biased against men I'll gladly wear that.
ElectricBlanketFire
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You aren't considering the business side of this.
What does the business have a damn thing to do with it. Please explain, or set some rules, how much money needs to be involved before simply being accused results in the loss of employment. If your an average working Joe its ok you can work, but if make over X then your not. Please define X. The more you earn the more severe your punishment simple for being accused of a crime?
So basically because some people get away with a crime, in your mind its just better to convict all future accused no need for a trial. In your mind they are simply guilty? You do realize that's insane right?
A plumber's situation does not carry the same public image / PR issue as a hockey player, c'mon...and even then, a suspension wouldn't be that crazy for someone in a regular job like a plumber. Or a suspension with pay.
It just depends on the employer really. I'm not talking about some uniform law, it's a case by case thing. And in this case, the Blackhawks (or any organization that blindly soldiers on) look pathetic imo.
Squirrel Killer
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To you, it's a sport. To an accused professional athlete, it's their vocation. To tell them to stop playing is being incredibly cavalier with their salary, especially considering the average length of a professional athlete's career. To tell their team's owner to suspend them with pay is being incredibly cavalier with someone else's money.
Sure, and there's no law saying they have to do anything of the sort. They just look like a complete joke if they don't imo.
ThreePiMatt
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The thing is, statistics have nothing to do with this isolated case. It doesn't matter the percentage of false accusations by other people towards other people. It doesn't matter how frequently other rapists go free. If Patrick Kane did not rape her, he didn't rape her. Until he gets charged with a crime the NHL should take no action, the Blackhawks should take no action, and Kane should continue playing hockey as he would.
Abstruse Moose
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They look like a joke for not suspending a player that hasn't been charged with a crime? That's the kind of reasoning that leads to witch burning. Just because someone points a finger at someone and accuses them of a crime with very little to no evidence, doesn't make that person guilty in the court of law.
I never said it does. This has nothing to do with a court of law or his freedom. That's totally separate from hockey.
They look like a complete joke for not docking the pay of someone who hasn't even been charged yet? OK.
The problem with the bag being left behind, is now that its public information, its no longer able to be used as evidence in the case. The entire rapekit info may be thrown out too now. The big problem with these leaks is that it ruins the actual evidence, whether they were tampered with or not.
Such a weird story, and whoever is leaking it clearly has an agenda.
I think this ends up either with a settlement, or Kane being found not guilty(not saying he didn't do it, but the evidence isn't helping the girl at all)
Also, her lawyer leaked her info when explaining the bag being left at the mother's house? What a moron. Sounds like the lawyer wants a payday the way he's working this case.
Like most writers have been saying about this sort of thing for two years now, they can suspend with pay if needed.
Ah I get it, you want the law to be applied on an individual case by case basis. And public perception should be a factor on how and why the law is applied.
He hasn't been formally charged yet, has he? Why would he be suspended if he hasn't been charged? It's just an investigation currently.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If your buddy was under investigation, but not charged, he wouldn't get suspended from his job. If the Hawks suspend Kane, then they have to deal with being sued by the NHLPA.
Some of these writers are idiots.
As I said in my post, we aren't talking about any sort of law. The Blackhawks are free to do whatever they want. I'm simply of the opinion that the Blackhawks have no clue how to handle this.
I mean shit, did you watch Kane's presser last week? They're clueless http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/sto...l-assault-allegations-case-chicago-blackhawks
Abstruse Moose
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Let me try an example to sum up the problem I'm having with your stance. Let's say you go over to the home of a coworker to hang out. The evening ends and you go home.
The next morning you awake to people telling you that your coworker is saying you assaulted them last night. The police haven't charged you. There is nothing different about your legal status than it was yesterday. The alleged victim has presented little to no evidence of your guilt for 6 weeks.
Are you trying to say that you would have no problem with your employer suspending you from working without pay. Are you trying to suggest that athletes should be held to different standards than non athletes?
I didn't say they should be accused.
I said: I believe survivors.
And I don't feel the need to add a bunch of qualifiers about false accusations.
My beliefs may be radical (and lol they fucking shouldn't be) but they are most assuredly made of sound mind.
I don't even...huh???
Nah, you nailed it. I've been saying suspend without pay this entire time, 100%. But my bad, y'all convinced me I was wrong.
Abstruse Moose
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Who gives a shit if he's paid or not. Why should he be suspended in the first place?
This is such a crazy case. I saw some random dude at the bar over the weekend who was wearing a Hawks shirt - we started talking about Kane and he said "I don't care what Kaner does off the ice, so long as he helps us win another cup! Hahahahaha."
I can't wait for this case to be closed one way or another so I don't have to put up with extra exposure to human depravity on the topic.
I can't wait for this case to be closed one way or another so I don't have to put up with extra exposure to human depravity on the topic.
Ha ha nice link, not biased at all with the massive headline and not a single second of Kane or the reporter saying anything remotely related to the headline.
It was merely the first link I saw on Google. I don't think anyone needs a headline to realize what a colossally terrible idea that presser was.
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