PCs are better than consoles argument tree
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And x1 forums ps forums Nintendo forums are all similar. There are ignorant people everywhere.
Idk who's getting salty here. I think it's you as I'm just sitting in my chair laughing at all the shit you come up to defend your "opinion". The Whole PC community is and was never like this as a whole. That's like me saying that the radical Sony fanboys and Microsoft fanboys make up the whole community
More_Badass
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Again, a subreddit and the kind of people who spout ridiculous statements in Steam discussions = the entire PC gaming community?
Have you ever been in any of the threads here that discuss PC games like the Steam threads or the Indie Games threads? You might be surprised
Most of the official and non-official console forums I've been to aren't any better (Gamefaqs). There are shitty people on both sides, trying to spotlight one while ignoring the other is a disservice to your entire argument.
I literally never said they weren't. Stop acting like I think all console gamers are perfect little angels, I facepalm when people get into Sony vs Microsoft shitposting wars too.
But honestly console wars are pretty much relegated to those forums and youtube. PCMR stupidity like "gamepads are objectively inferior to keyboard and mouse in literally all games", "no console games are above 30FPS" (completely ignoring that the vast majority of console games were 60FPS until the PS360 generation), "there are literally no good console games EVER" is still everywhere on the internet.
Moon_frogger
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Hilarious man. You have a far more toxic attitude than most PC gamers I know. Cancerous? Calm down. Also, plenty of jrpgs on PC these days and I'll say it again, the only console worth owning for those is the ones Nintendo makes. Other than than Japanese gaming has largely moved to mobile, except for some stragglers, almost all of which are also publishing on PC this gen. That's just the facts.
Chance Hale
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The steam thread on gaf is 15% nintendo talk and a lot of people have PS4s and Xbox Ones. These radical pc gamers don't really exist!
People on youtube say a lot of things, don't read the comments! Certainly isn't an opinion expressed by anyone here.
ViolentP
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You're cherry-picking information and spouting it as fact. That's why you're getting no respect for your opinion in here. While you may have a few points, they are being lost in your delivery. My advice, take it down a notch and try to join a discussion instead of strong-arming one.
GAF = literally the entire internet
It's on far more than just Youtube, by the way. I've had people tell me to my face that there have literally never been a good console game right after I finished playing F-Zero GX. I don't even bother arguing with them.
You guys think I'm just making this up? I've seen it over the past years constantly. Actively denying that something exist does not make it go away.
Chance Hale
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Find new friends? Most of my friends don't even know games exist yet we still find other things in common.
I mean, I don't think I've ever had a conversation about games while out and about that's lasted longer than a minute. Maybe you're surrounding yourself with a toxic group. I just don't think think these radicals you keep bringing up really exist at large.
I mean, I don't think I've ever had a conversation about games while out and about that's lasted longer than a minute. Maybe you're surrounding yourself with a toxic group. I just don't think think these radicals you keep bringing up really exist at large.
I've had people tell me to my face that PC exclusives are inferior to console games because they all use a mouse and keyboard instead of a controller.
Stop reading youtube game comments, stop reading twitch chat and stay far away from reddit. You are literally throwing yourself into a mine field of 10-20 year old socially inept shut ins with napkins full of Cheetohs lining the desks of their balls-to-the-wall, high octane gtx 770's in $50 towers.
Krappadizzle
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Complains about a cancerous community while spewing vitriol and bullshit about the community that he is an active member off. A dash of nonsense with a touch of self loathing.
vasametropolis
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Then the solution is to throw away the inputs we have and make better ones. It's really that simple. If the controller is going to suck for certain things and keyboard and mouse suck for others, they BOTH suck and need to go. I think we've all got too accustomed to thinking control inputs always have to have such wide strengths and weaknesses. I mean, look at the market you miss by only making a game for one input method. It's ridiculous.
And then you get a developer running around making a console-first title and being crucified for shitty keyboard and mouse controls. This shouldn't be a thing.
For the thirtieth time, stop acting like I think console gamers are sinless angels. Those people are dumb too. I've literally said this like three times and you aren't listening
Irrelevant. They are PC gamers too. You can't just act like they don't exist, that's a No True Scotsman fallacy.
Stop being so hostile about everything. You're not going to last long here with that attitude.
So I can just as easily say the children on Live and PSN are the representative group. This is a really shitty argument and I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish with it. It seems like you're using this discussion as your platform to complain about PC gamers.
And no, I'm not saying you think console gamers are sinless angels. I'm just saying you're focusing on PC gaming and it's crazy how upset you're getting about it.
I think you just learned what a fallacy is today and you're going all out, eh.
Guess what, people will call you out when you insult and generalize a big portion of people. You're doing nothing but antagonizing just for the hell of it. I thought you said you would just go and play games?
I am listening, but you keep using the same argument over and over and over. "PC Gamers are cancerous scum!" "PC gamers talk so much crap about console games!"
It's the same exact thing you're doing. Someone tries to point something out and you fall back on the same thing. At this point I'm having a hard time distinguishing if you're serious in your grievances or simply trolling for amusement.
Nevermind, I got my answer.
derExperte
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That's hardly possible, it just isn't in certain kinds of games. At least not without either seriously handicapping kb/m or giving gamepads such amounts of autoaim that it would become ridiculous. And there still would be the issue of movement and changing your view precisely 180° and back in an instant. Some games are designed for certain input methods and that's how it should be, you lose some potential players but homogenizing everything will have the same effect eventually.
Humorous hyperbole is hostility now?
Whatever, I'm about done with this thread. It's obvious you guys are going to literally go to every length possible to whitewash all PC Gamers into glorious and sinless uebermenschen who can do literally no wrong.
I went back to PC gaming this gen (Will be a year next month) after being a solely console gamer since 2003. I am not getting into the whole master race thing because consoles have their place, however, for me, It would be seriously hard to go back again - PC gaming is nothing like it was even five years ago and I am super impressed. I have already accumulated almost 200 games. The whole family loves the micro-ATX PC gaming console I put together for the living room. My 8 year old has his LEGO Worlds etc and my wife her Mortal Kombat X. The games are cheaper and I can play Skyrim AND something like Phantom Pain on the same platform and at their best quality (1080p/60fps). System boots directly to Steam Big Picture in 10 seconds, and two 360 pads and my little wireless Logitech keyboard/touchpad (Which slides under the couch when needed) work fabulously. 
fuzzyreactor
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well this thread went as I expected
What is wrong with you dude? Where did the PC touch you?
Not once have I attacked PC games. My grievances lie with PC gamers. I play on my PC quite frequently, I just dislike the community and find it to be filled with ignorant teenagers shitposting about PCMR junk all day long.
More_Badass
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Funny thing is no one said this. In fact quite a few acknowledged that the community has its bad sides and jerks
Krappadizzle
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LIKE WHO?
Seriously, GAF has a put up or shutup fact-based policy. Call those posters out if that's what you feel is going on. It's not that hard if it's so prevalent.
vasametropolis
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I'm still of the opinion that the industry should look at newer input methods then. Think about how hilarious it is that a keyboard and mouse were never designed to play games, yet absolutely excel at precision shooting. And controllers were designed to play games, and do a shit job at precision. It's ludicrous when you think about it. It should be the other way around. Yet, it's not. To me that means we need to start over again.
Your experiences with the culture are an extreme subset. How can you even argue that a small vocal minority represent PC gaming?
Either leave the thread or actually start posting some sense, man. Calm the fuck down.
Okay? And that has what to do with my stating you kept falling back on insulting PC Gamers.
Oh trust me I know they exist. I just don't give a shit. And you shouldn't either.
Gamepads and Mouse + Keyboard are two very different forms of input. Of course sometimes one kind of input will be better at certain games than another type of input. And there's nothing inherently wrong with that. One of the greatest draws of PC is its flexibility. I can play CS:GO with my mouse and keyboard, then switch to playing Ys Origin with a gamepad with no effort. If you have a preference, that's fine, and PC allows you to choose.
PC lets you use what type of input you want for most games, and that's something to be celebrated, not complained about.
Literally exactly what I'm talking about here.
Analog sticks allow for extremely high precision when it comes to modulating between two extremes (which is why they're superior for racing games). The GCN stick allows for the incredibly intricate techniques used in both Melee and F-Zero GX. I dare you do drive this precise with a keyboard and mouse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LkAqwdxZMk
Something like that is only possible with an analog stick. You can't fine-tune your turning with a keyboard, nor can you finely use the airbrakes to snake and turn efficiently.
I have that keyboard. It works great, I just wished the keys were illuminated.
derExperte
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There we go again with the Nazi analogies that no one in here ever brought up. Fuck you. FYI I pm'd a mod and will do that from now on every time the 'master race' bullshit gets brought up by consoleGAFers without any provocation, I'm sick of it*.
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I probably won't because I'm lazy but I should.
Well, you've had an amusing series of posts. But I gotta tell you, you're trying waay too hard.
Semi-serious response: You seem like you hate immature graphics whores, not the entire PC community.
Krappadizzle
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It's coming....
But you are right. I remember years ago for the orginal Xbox there was the fps controller that had all the face buttons mapped to the back of the controller. I loved using it for Halo 2. I wish that had caught on more. Not exactly great for precision but better than the average layout for shooters. Sticks will just inherently be less accurate than a mouse and the fine granuliar controls that it provides. Hopefully the Steam controller is all that and a bag of chips.
Found it. It didn't have great ergonomics but it was very handy in Halo 2.
vasametropolis
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I just think the industry can create better inputs than we have. Such a huge disparity should not exist between the primary methods of input.
I almost didn't grab it...it was a total fluke because I had to make an emergency trip to Microcenter for a cheap external DVD drive. It was sitting there for $26 and it is one of the best purchases I have made in a long time. Will have had it a year in November and it is still using the included batteries too. Kicks ass.
It's coming....
But you are right. I remember years ago for the orginal Xbox there was the fps controller that had all the face buttons mapped to the back of the controller. I loved using it for Halo 2. I wish that had caught on more.
Found it. It didn't have great ergonomics but it was very handy in Halo 2.
The ergonomics would probably be fine if you could split the thing in half and use it as 2 different controllers.
vasametropolis
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I was psyched for the Steam controller too, but early feedback suggests it's still shit for precision shooting... so back to square one
"PC Master Race" is a direct reference to Nazi facism, whether it was intentional or not, and is a label that PC gamers have embraced.
I'm right with you on this one but we both know the public loves the one size fits all solution. Better games know what's up and go with the better inputs depending on genres.
People for years have bitched and shown how analog is bad but look at how most are knocking the steam controller before they had a chance to try it out. I'm being blunt not vs you but many consumers who want that gamepad comfort at the expense of better aim.
There are a few solutions that could work. Filter people by inputs. Let those play with inputs they want this way this never comes up. Had unreal tournament 3 not sucked balls this would be more accepted in the genre and probably across various platforms. Support me brother let gamers filter those out by inputs and make it easy. Yet I know this won't happen the bite back from ignorant or unaware consumers is always viscious on this issue fps companies won't touch this issue cause of ignorance.
Another major way of balancing out analog problems as 360 controller has shown me is to give better options on calibrating or configuring a controller. Gamepad players need a of manipulating both axis points, their deadzone, and the acceleration on the analog. After that I'm against any form of assisting gamepad player in fps but besides bad tech is the utter lack of options. I find it sad an old ass 360 or DS4 program lets me do more with my 360 pad and I would assume an X1 pad then I ever get when I use them on a console. This disparity we mention is not only because while the underlying tech is bad the software is even worse at times and in my opinion fights with gamers instead of letting them flex their muscle. I hate console fps games not cause of some bs fps issues but because more often than not I cannot fix analog or button issues when it comes to my config. They won't do it not in my lifetime and certainly not anytime soon cause it's easier to milk the ignorant casual types in the genre base who basically fine with anything you give them.
Krappadizzle
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But then you wouldn't be able to visually track your strategy. Which as we all well know is important.
I thought the few fps I played with a wii mote controlled pretty well. Though using that pointer can be a bit tiring after a while.
I was psyched for the Steam controller too, but early feedback suggests it's still shit for precision shooting... so back to square one
We'll see. I'll get mine this Friday. I hope you are wrong. I don't think you are.
Bolivar687
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I play console games on console and PC games on PC. We parsed this out in another thread but in 2015, the PC versions of almost all of the biggest multiplatform games are still coming out buggy (Arkham Knight, The Witcher 3), late (Grand Theft Auto V, Metal Gear Online), or never at all (Madden, Destiny/The Taken King).
I wouldn't want to play The Witcher below 72fps but I also know that CoD is a lot less fun over Steam.
I wouldn't want to play The Witcher below 72fps but I also know that CoD is a lot less fun over Steam.
fluffydelusions
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I was psyched for the Steam controller too, but early feedback suggests it's still shit for precision shooting... so back to square one
I don't think the intention was for it to ever replace a mouse for competitive shooting like in CS:GO but for other stuff it should be fine. I saw it being used in TF2 and MGSV and it looked to work great for that.
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