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[Dust-by-Monday]

Is it really that difficult to make every game have 3 options:
4K 30FPS Quality mode,
Dynamic 4K 60 FPS using VRS balanced mode
Dynamic 1440P 120 FPS VRS performance mode

Might not always be as simple as just changing the resolution

 

[Genx3]

Might not always be as simple as just changing the resolution

True but for most games it should be.

 

[GardenOfAbbylon]

OP, ignore them. I've seen/played 30 vs 60 side by side and I honestly see very little distance. People crying that 30 is a slideshow are over dramatic.

 

[KAL2006]

I'm not a frame rate obsessive, never have been, have always been like "if I'm ok playing it I don't give a fuck what frame rate it is". Until recently, when after having (unconsciously) played a load of 60fps games I tried to replay Bloodborne, I barely made it into the introductory area before I stopped because it just felt shit, my movement didn't feel smooth or responsive. I also had a bit of this when playing Control and choosing between the quality mode and the higher frame rate mode, once I'd tried the higher frame rate playing the lower option became unthinkable to me and even trying gave me the beginnings of motion sickness. Once you've snorted that sweet high framerate chisel it's difficult to go back imo, better to never try it at all if all you can get is 30FPS pub grub.

This is pretty much me. I played God of War, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman Remastered in 60fps back to back. Then I put on Control and heard about how good RT is in that game. Played in Quality Mode and felt like I can see each individual frame and the game gave me motion sickness. So I switched to performance mode and finally the game felt normal. I kept switching between the 2 modes and came I to the realisation The game looks great in quality mode when you are standing still and not moving. But 99 percent of the time you are moving so it makes quality mode obsolete. A other thing that doesn't help with 30fps is that Im playing on a 65inch sitting 6 feet away from a LED screen. Back in the day we all played Ocarina of Time on N64 but that was on a tiny CRT TV that had way better motion clarity in comparison to modern TVs.

 

[Dr. Claus]

3.) People with a magic devices called mouse and racing wheels that screams at you with the input lag difference...

Just another name for platform warriors making mountains out of anthills.

 

[Osaka_Boss]

Racing, shooting and Fighting game have to be 60. Everything else is optional

 

[Hoppa]

I'm just stating the truth. When a game is going for that animated movie style, I want 30fps and every time there was an article about the game, I'd ask if there would be a 30fps mode.

Interesting. I've never thought about preferring 30fps because it looks cinematic. Fair enough. I might be overexaggerating but when I play games in 30fps it feels choppy. I even felt that in Ratchet and Miles in fidelity mode.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

Interesting. I've never thought about preferring 30fps because it looks cinematic. Fair enough. I might be overexaggerating but when I play games in 30fps it feels choppy. I even felt that in Ratchet and Miles in fidelity mode.

That's fine. Thanks for understanding and not being a jerk about it.

 

[Danjin44]

When it comes to gaming 60FPS is always better but it super hyperbolic BS that people say 30FPS is "unplayable", I'm so glad i don't have oversensetive eyes like them.

 

[Yui's Empire]

When I have the option, I choose 60fps nowadays - just feels so much smoother. It's not a rule though, there have been games where either the 60fps wasn't that stable or the graphical compromises were too noticeable to make the jump worth it. Cyberpunk 2077 comes to mind, where they straight-up disabled the floor's reflection and made assets worse, and I honestly could not take that option. Similarly, half of Watch_Dogs: Legion's greatness comes from the stunning futuristic London they created, with raytracing even on console, beautiful particles and whatnot. The 60fps trade takes too much away, so I stuck to 30. But those are the exceptions for me.

On the other hand, I'd never shame people for playing at 30fps when given the option of 60fps. I know someone in real life who prefers the "slower" 30fps and I get why that happens. It's a fair take, and people should be allowed to play as they please.

 

[Farawayfromhell]

Do what you want to do and fuck what other people think.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Just another name for platform warriors making mountains out of anthills.

Sure, Jan. You also must love the almost 500ms of input lag of RDR2.

 

[The_Mike]

Last gen people loved having no settings because they didn't want to fiddle with graphic settings, and now people want it?

When it comes to gaming 60FPS is always better but it super hyperbolic BS that people say 30FPS is "unplayable", I'm so glad i don't have oversensetive eyes like them.

You also forgot oversensitive reaction time

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Go back to movies

Most next gen games offer performance or quality modes, so why the drama?

 

[Scotty W]

Fun fact, 99% of all gamers don't know, care or notice fps.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Last gen people loved having no settings because they didn't want to fiddle with graphic settings, and now people want it?


You also forgot oversensitive reaction time

1 - people having 2 or 3 options of presets is good, and it's not like opening all graphics options like in PC.

2 - that's not the same thing as input lag, a game can overreact to your input even with a 500ms delay

 

[DavidGzz]

I was fine with 15 fps Blighttown back in the day. I got a PS5 and a XSX. Now I can't replay Bloodborne until we get a proper remaster. 30 fps sucks.

 

[Dunky]

Fun fact, 99% of all gamers don't know, care or notice fps.

I think you'll find thats wrong just by reading this forum

 

[Scotty W]

People on gaming forum do not represent even 1% of gamers.

 

[BreakOut]

I think the best is target 60 Sony needs to add VRR. Let it sort itself.
Actually insomniacs is still better that 40 at 120 Hz is a good idea.

 

[Dunky]

People on gaming forum do not represent even 1% of gamers.

We can only guess. No good saying 1% when you have no idea how many. Their not making 60fps games for nothing.

 

[michaelius]

Fun fact, 99% of all gamers don't know, care or notice fps.

They might not know it but there's a reason Call of Duty has been so popular on console for long time (it was always 60 fps vs other going for 30 in ps3/x360 era).

 

[Danknugz]

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[SidViscous]

Higher framerates are always better, I made the mistake of getting a 144hz monitor and after playing some 120/144fps games, now 60fps games feel like shit

Stay in your 30fps ignorant bliss for as long as you can

 

[Armorian]

3 letters: VRR

45FPS with VRR is still shitty compared to 60 (but better than 30 for sure).

 

[6502]

I don't see what the issue with OP stance is. I am sure he doesn't mind people enjoying ps4 graphics on their new £500 consoles at 60fps...

 

[hussar16]

30fps is the better framerate ,we dont need 60fps its just tht the screens we have now introduce motion blur and we try to fix that by adding more frames, instead of fixing the problem outright which is more hrtz crt like motion

 

[lmimmfn]

@OP, yes, folk who are happy with 30FPS generally just ruin it for those who like higher framerates.
However consoles have been 30FPS in most games since forever, PC is where its at for 60 or 120FPS

 

[Dr. Claus]

Sure, Jan. You also must love the almost 500ms of input lag of RDR2.

Never noticed or cared about it. It does not affect the playability of the game or the fun factor. And given the millions of people who bought it and loved it, most didn't give a flying shit either.

They might not know it but there's a reason Call of Duty has been so popular on console for long time (it was always 60 fps vs other going for 30 in ps3/x360 era).

Yes, because they are easy to digest and had been continuously pushing forward the MP during its heyday. Being 60FPS had nothing to do with it.

 

[Scotty W]

We can only guess. No good saying 1% when you have no idea how many. Their not making 60fps games for nothing.

I agree, actually. Fps takes a long time to become perceptible to most people. It wasn't until several generations later that I realized how bad the fps on 8 and 16 bit games are.

Fps is not like graphical quality, in that everyone recognizes an improvement as soon as they see it. It is more like, it has to be badly broken to reach the threshold of consciousness for most people.

But that 'badly broken' is a standard not reached, and it takes a long time to establish that standard in the mind of the general public.

 

[ArtHands]

Is it really that difficult to make every game have 3 options:
4K 30FPS Quality mode,
Dynamic 4K 60 FPS using VRS balanced mode
Dynamic 1440P 120 FPS VRS performance mode

we don't want console players to start spending hours fiddling with setting options, don't we

 

[01011001]

30fps is the better framerate ,we dont need 60fps its just tht the screens we have now introduce motion blur and we try to fix that by adding more frames, instead of fixing the problem outright which is more hrtz crt like motion

lol, we found the dumbest opinion yet... there are TVs and PC monitors that can basically eliminate pixel response blur, 30fps still sucks on those...
also low framerates will still produce blur on high refresh monitors.
if you have a high refresh (hertz) monitor maybe look up the UFO test on the BlurBusters website. the lower the framerate the less information the panel gets and the blurrier your image will be.

and of course, lower Framerate = worse input latency, and there is nothing worse for gaming than high input lag. no display tech can fix that.

 

[GreatnessRD]

A 30 FPS gaming experience really is for psychopaths. With that said, if you like it, that's all that matter. However.... eww-luh

 

[Dr. Suchong]

Fun fact, 99% of all gamers don't know, care or notice fps.

I'd say this isn't far off the mark.
A lot of performance and graphical terms would be met with blank stares if mentioned to a hefty proportion of gamers.
I'd imagine they're too busy thinking about frivolous things like *Gasp!* having fun.
Not to say that I personally don't recognise performance such as fps being conducive to the enjoyment.
I'm somewhere in the middle. As long as it isn't a technical shit storm I'm ok.
Hell, I still think rotoscoping in Prince of Persia is cool lol

 

[dano1]

The wizards that made Kena need to show the rest of the world there secrets. There default performance mode is awesome!

 

[Dr. Suchong]

The wizards that made Kena need to show the rest of the world there secrets. There default performance mode is awesome!

Really want to play this!

 

[The Last Ninja]

A 30 FPS gaming experience really is for psychopaths. With that said, if you like it, that's all that matter. However.... eww-luh

Ironically the same psychopaths that leave their TV in soap opera mode and will watch a movie with fake 60fps.

 

[ahtlas7]

You like 30 FPS.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

It's not that I specifically NEED 30fps like it's an addiction or something. A lot of games that "target" 60fps have drops which makes for a lot of stutter and inconsistency, but drop it down to 30 and you get a constant smooth stream of frames.

Also, I appreciate quality over quantity. I can definitely see the picture is blurrier with 60fps mode activated, and I don't see to be bothered by the lower frame rate.

 

[Genx3]

we don't want console players to start spending hours fiddling with setting options, don't we

3 options is not exactly fiddling with settings.

 

[Genx3]

It's not that I specifically NEED 30fps like it's an addiction or something. A lot of games that "target" 60fps have drops which makes for a lot of stutter and inconsistency, but drop it down to 30 and you get a constant smooth stream of frames.

Also, I appreciate quality over quantity. I can definitely see the picture is blurrier with 60fps mode activated, and I don't see to be bothered by the lower frame rate.

That's why VRR exists.
With VRR anything above 30 fps is better than 30 fps.

 

[ArtHands]

3 options is not exactly fiddling with settings.

Its still fiddling settings. Console players just want to hit play and jump into the game.

 

[Rickyiez]

They might not know it but there's a reason Call of Duty has been so popular on console for long time (it was always 60 fps vs other going for 30 in ps3/x360 era).

True .

Same reason why DMC felt so good to play as they are always 60FPS and the backlashes on DmC initial launch because it's 30FPS .
Or Bayonetta Xbox 360 60FPS vs PS3 30FPS
Or TLOU2 PS5 60FPS vs TLOU2 PS4 30FPS
Or GOW PS5 60FPS vs GOW PS4 30FPS
Or HZD PS5 60FPS vs HZD PS4 30FPS

You don't eyeball the difference , you play them to feel it . If you couldn't tell 60FPS plays or feels better and how 30FPS is more sluggish and felt like a slog , then I really have no words .

There's nothing worse than buying a game that you thought would be fun, but there's loads stuttering or screen tearing

Fun fact , stuttering and screen tearing has nothing to do with 30fps vs 60fps . On PC , 60fps locked with borderless and triple buffering eliminates 99% of screen tearing and stuttering without even the need of any adaptive sync tech .

 

[Genx3]

Its still fiddling settings. Console players just want to hit play and jump into the game.

They don't have to select the mode, if you press start the game automatically starts in Quality mode.

If prefer performance or balanced mode the game starts in the last mode you used.

Problem solved.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I don't prefer 30th fps but if a game is good enough, I'll respect it. The gamers in these forums are fairly entitled and jump on trends quickly, don't mind them.

 

[01011001]

Fun fact, 99% of all gamers don't know, care or notice fps.

explain how almost all of the top games in terms of popularity run (or try to run) at 60fps even on console?
Fortnite, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Apex Legends, FIFA, Madden, [(games that basically run at 60+ on every toaster) LoL, Valorant, CS:GO], Mario kart 8, Super Smash Bros, Minecraft...
what a weird coinkidink, isn't it?

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

Fun fact , stuttering and screen tearing has nothing to do with 30fps vs 60fps . On PC , 60fps locked with borderless and triple buffering eliminates 99% of screen tearing and stuttering without even the need of any adaptive sync tech .

Yes I know 30fps has nothing to do with screen tearing and stuttering. I guess what I meant was a solid 30fps with vsync is better than almost 60fps with drops to the 40s and 50s without VRR.

I had a PC with FreeSync and it was amazing, but unfortunately I don't think Sony is going to support FreeSync VRR and they'll most likely require HDMI 2.1's VRR in order to function, so that's going to require me to buy a new monitor, which may be slightly difficult because there aren't a lot of HDMI 2.1 monitors to choose from yet. I want something with 4K, HDR, 120Hz, VRR and local dimming but in monitor size. Guess I'll be waiting a while.

 

[Dust-by-Monday]

So, this next gen game I bought for my PS5 was supposed to be 60fps, but it randomly drops to 30fps during races. They still haven't fixed it.







SO NEXT GEN!

If you don't see any issues with these videos then you can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. If you're sensitive, you will see the problem pretty easily.

To get around this issue, I just decided to play and platinum the PS4 version on my PS5 in 4K/30.

 

[Dunky]

I agree, actually. Fps takes a long time to become perceptible to most people. It wasn't until several generations later that I realized how bad the fps on 8 and 16 bit games are.

Fps is not like graphical quality, in that everyone recognizes an improvement as soon as they see it. It is more like, it has to be badly broken to reach the threshold of consciousness for most people.

But that 'badly broken' is a standard not reached, and it takes a long time to establish that standard in the mind of the general public.

What do you mean 8-bit and 16-bit games had FPS? Most games in that generation round at 60 frames per second.

It was the PlayStation, Sega Saturn generation with 3D graphics that introduced low frame rates. The machines could barely power 3D graphics.

Casual players don't really notice things like ray-tracing or a higher shadow mapping. But I can guarantee I could show people the difference between 60 and 30 and it instantly noticeable. I'm not saying this for the fun of it the different Is massive.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

What do you mean 8-bit and 16-bit games had FPS? Most games in that generation round at 60 frames per second.

It was the PlayStation, Sega Saturn generation with 3D graphics that introduced low frame rates. The machines could barely power 3D graphics.

Casual players don't really notice things like ray-tracing or a higher shadow mapping. But I can guarantee I could show people the difference between 60 and 30 and it instantly noticeable. I'm not saying this for the fun of it the different Is massive.

The vast majority of people can tell the difference between 30 and 60 if you showed them.

The problem is some people out there think the average person cant tell the difference because they dont know the terminology. So if they don't know what its called it means they cant tell the difference. You get some people like that.

If I showed my parents (who are in their 80s) a 30 ad 60 frame video, they would be able to tell the difference. They'd have no clue it's called frame rate though.