Acerac
Banned
*Flips off OP while honking repeatedly*
People who turn left in traffic when there is no left turn lane
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*Flips off OP while honking repeatedly*
Look out, here comes Batman.
And no, it's really not, all you're accomplishing is upsetting other people and probably making your own road rage worse.
Yep, the guy who honks at someone and flips them off for doing nothing wrong is an asshole, glad we reached a unanimous decision.
There's no misunderstanding, we understand you're being impatient and illogical.
Those fucking disabled people. How dare they take public transportation? Have they no consideration for other people's time?
Prinz Eugn
Member
OP, is it lonely at the center of the universe?
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
Legal traffic maneuver -> honk, bird, rage
OP I am honking at you right now, idiot
OP I am honking at you right now, idiot
To maintain sanity, I've convinced myself he's trolling us.
I mean, why not honk at pedestrians who dare to cross the street on a green light, preventing people from making right turns? I mean, those people are wasting seconds of people's time. It might not sound like much, but multiply that by the 100 cars backed up at any given intersection and you're looking at possibly tens of minutes of wasted time in all. Heaven forbid any of these cars that are held up by these egomaniacal pedestrians have passengers in them! That adds to the communal tragedy all the more!
Jack Remington
Banned
You're standing firm on the pretty ridiculous assertion that there's nothing wrong with sapping an hour of other people's productivity to make a turn you could have made without helping yourself to anyone else's time by going down a few blocks?
Elrond Hubbard
Neo Member
Totally agree with the OP. ITT: letting people know their behavior is negatively affecting tons of other people is worse than the negative behavior itself.
Your perception that this is somehow the drivers fault is a fallacy. The city planners are the ones inconveniencing you here. Not the driver. This person is simply following the route to their destination. They're doing nothing illegal or immoral. If I need to turn left to get to my destination, and there are no signs indicating I shouldn't do that, then I'm fucking doing it.
I can't believe this is a fucking conversation.
I DONT LIKE PEOPLE WHO DO NOTHING WRONG BECAUSE ITS NOT WHAT *I* WANT THEM TO DO!!!!!
I think maybe OP was bullied too much as a child, and now views every slight inconvenience as someone trying to take advantage of him or impinge on his rights.
I can't believe this is a fucking conversation.
I DONT LIKE PEOPLE WHO DO NOTHING WRONG BECAUSE ITS NOT WHAT *I* WANT THEM TO DO!!!!!
I think maybe OP was bullied too much as a child, and now views every slight inconvenience as someone trying to take advantage of him or impinge on his rights.
starchild excalibur
Member
You honk and flip the bird? What the fuck?
Yeah, I find it annoying but you know what? Sometimes you gotta make a left turn. And sometimes you're going to be the one inconveniencing others and sometimes you're going to be the one inconvenienced. If your schedule is so damn tight that someone holding you up for 20 seconds causes that much anguish then maybe leave a little earlier or just stay in the right lane.
If I'm behind someone who does this, the worst I'll do is sigh to myself. Usually I'll try to move into the right lane but if I absolutely can't, I wait a few seconds and move on my merry way. It's really not that big of a fucking deal.
You know what also mildly inconveniences me? When I'm in the right lane wanting to go straight and someone in front of me is wanting to turn right, but those DAMN PEDESTRIANS are crossing in the crosswalk so the guy in front of me can't turn right until after they've passed. I mean, really?! The nerve of this guy to wanna turn right. At an intersection! And don't even get me started on the nerve of these pedestrians to actually WALK through intersections that inadvertently inconvenience me slightly.
Yeah, I find it annoying but you know what? Sometimes you gotta make a left turn. And sometimes you're going to be the one inconveniencing others and sometimes you're going to be the one inconvenienced. If your schedule is so damn tight that someone holding you up for 20 seconds causes that much anguish then maybe leave a little earlier or just stay in the right lane.
If I'm behind someone who does this, the worst I'll do is sigh to myself. Usually I'll try to move into the right lane but if I absolutely can't, I wait a few seconds and move on my merry way. It's really not that big of a fucking deal.
You know what also mildly inconveniences me? When I'm in the right lane wanting to go straight and someone in front of me is wanting to turn right, but those DAMN PEDESTRIANS are crossing in the crosswalk so the guy in front of me can't turn right until after they've passed. I mean, really?! The nerve of this guy to wanna turn right. At an intersection! And don't even get me started on the nerve of these pedestrians to actually WALK through intersections that inadvertently inconvenience me slightly.
HammerOfThor
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No I think its far worse that some people REFUSE to use a turn signal. Fuck'em all.
This.
Also by OPs logic I should drive several blocks to find an appropriate turn lane, then drive several more blocks to find another, then before you know if I've made a big circle and I never get to go home. No thanks.
This.
Also by OPs logic I should drive several blocks to find an appropriate turn lane, then drive several more blocks to find another, then before you know if I've made a big circle and I never get to go home. No thanks.
Elrond Hubbard
Neo Member
At rush hour in LA, this will usually hold you up a hell of a lot more than 20 seconds.
Last week this happened to me right at the start of the green light. I couldn't get over. 2 minutes for our green, 2 minutes for the other direction's green, then I finally go to move on. 4 minutes. There were probably at least 10 people backed up behind me, judging by how dense the traffic was at that point, so that's 40 minutes.
Plus it isn't just the people stuck immediately behind you at that light. These turns make the entire street move more slowly. A lot more people than the 10 who were immediately behind me were affected. If the turns causes a lot of people to face a cascading red light scenario for the rest of their commute, then adjust the total delays exponentially upward.
Shalashaska
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Take it up with city planning, not with someone doing a legal maneuver. If I'm doing something legal on the roads and you're acting like a douchebag behind me, I will take longer on purpose to piss you off more.
You see. It's all about your time still. This is why this thread backfired.
If I have an intersection I need to turn on and need to turn left I am going to damn well do it. And your entire cause, even in the right lane, is about your 'time savings'.
You want to know what you can rage about? A lack of advance turn signals. A city without those is a city that is broken.
StopMakingSense
Member
See you gotta show receipts on this hour thing. The maximum light cycle you are talking about in that area is like a minute. And fuck this dozens thing, I have driven that area (SMB through Hollywood) a bunch and I have never seen literally 24 plus cars EVER backed up by this, never even 12. People farther down can easily see this and merge to the right and get on with their day.
Also, OP, the projection you display is off the charts.
Lol
This is a city planning issue more than anything. A lot of these street layouts came from the horse and buggy days and weren't meant to handle the modern world. If one car making a left can mess up traffic that much during rush hour, then maybe they could have signs instructing people to make three rights during those times. Or at least stagger the timing of the green lights in each direction so that more than one car at a time can make the turn.
Elrond Hubbard
Neo Member
Yeah, OP shit the bed by making the first post so over the top, but I do feel that he brings up a valid issue.
LA has, thankfully, started banning left turns at certain intersections during peak hours, but the restricted hours aren't nearly long enough, IMO. Instead of 4-6pm, it should be at least 3:30-7:30pm. Also they don't do it at enough streets. Too many half measures in Los Angeles right now.
There's an important lesson here, OP: if you think you might have a good point to make, don't sabotage it by making yourself look worse than the people you're criticizing.
LA has, thankfully, started banning left turns at certain intersections during peak hours, but the restricted hours aren't nearly long enough, IMO. Instead of 4-6pm, it should be at least 3:30-7:30pm. Also they don't do it at enough streets. Too many half measures in Los Angeles right now.
There's an important lesson here, OP: if you think you might have a good point to make, don't sabotage it by making yourself look worse than the people you're criticizing.
ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
New Jersey Uber Alles
Who made that diagram?
StopMakingSense
Member
I know it may seem that long, but lol there are no lights that long in LA. 2 minutes is a such a huge amount of time. The maximum full cycle is about a minute and a half, maybe 2 minutes with an intersection with 2 sets of protected lefts, maybe.
In NJ, you drive on the left side of streets that go north and south. Nobody knows that?
Which is going to increase congestion on other roads. This is why more places haven't opted for the no left turns, because it simply just passes congestion onto other roads that aren't able to handle that congestion.
Guys who recline in airplane seats even though they have every legal right to do so: morally corrupt, inconsiderate assholes.
Guys who can't plan ahead and decide last second to cross three lanes of traffic to make a left hand turn or turn left across several lanes of westbound traffic to go eastbound, endangering lives and often stopping car flow: just good guys doing what is allowed.
GAF baffles me at times.
Guys who can't plan ahead and decide last second to cross three lanes of traffic to make a left hand turn or turn left across several lanes of westbound traffic to go eastbound, endangering lives and often stopping car flow: just good guys doing what is allowed.
GAF baffles me at times.
spookyfish
Gold Member
Then Be. Fucking. Patient.
Elrond Hubbard
Neo Member
I know this is a joke post, but goddamn those stop signs can really fuck you over when you think you've discovered a residential route shortcut. I tried to take Fountain to go west the other day instead of Melrose, Santa Monica or Sunset, and while there were like 90% fewer cars on the street, I'm about 100% certain that being backed up behind a bunch of cars at stop signs every block completely negated any time savings I would have otherwise achieved.
YuriLowell
Member
This.
PaperFlame
Member
If you know the issue, why are you taking those roads? You could easily find a different way to get your destination or a different time too. I'm from LA and 75% of time I never drove in traffic.
Every city employs anywhere from 1 to an entire team of traffic engineers to deal with this very issue. As long as the turn is legal the OP is a massive dickhead. I'll give him a personal fuck you because that kind of behavior makes driving anxiety-inducing for good, courteous people like my wife who follows all the traffic laws and doesn't take that kind of aggressive behavior on the road well.
Honking incessantly and getting ragey is itself negative behavior that impacts others. It's also illegal to honk when there's no safety issue, at least in California. At best, this is a two-wrongs scenario.
But the fact that the person turning isn't breaking the law or endangering anyone means that it's more like one wrong.
Elrond Hubbard
Neo Member
She could always abandon the selfish turn and find a route that doesn't bring traffic to a halt.
If two lanes suddenly become one lane, even if people are able to merge over, traffic will still be slowed, often for blocks since braking has a ripple effect.
It's not inconceivable that these turns are one of the single largest drivers of congestion besides the sheer number of cars on the road.
OP made it clear that this is about the fact that the driver making the turn is delaying many people, not just him.
He's the hero LA deserves.
Entirely irrelevant. The person making the turn has every right to make the turn.
"That kind of behavior" of honking at and flipping off people driving within the set rules of the road has nothing to do with what turns my wife or anyone else makes and everything to do with being a selfish, combative asshole.
Dafuq?
You should be encouraging the city to install a traffic light with a left turn signal, rather than taking your frustrations out on someone who is doing nothing wrong. Also, while you're suggesting that the driver take another route, you could very well be doing the same thing.
EDIT: There's a street in my hometown (Cleveland) that had this exact same problem. During rush hour, everybody had to wait behind the lone car that needed to turn left. Result? A turning signal was installed.
Step your game up, L.A.
Elrond Hubbard
Neo Member
Will you concede that making the turn, even if it's legal, delays a lot of people and is a major contributor to congestion on already-crowded streets?
SparkPeople
Banned
OP, you're an asshole.
If left turns are grinding traffic to a halt, then they should only be allowed during non-rush hour times.
Once again OP, you're insane.
If left turns are grinding traffic to a halt, then they should only be allowed during non-rush hour times.
Once again OP, you're insane.
Elrond Hubbard
Neo Member
Maybe in the countryside or something, sure.
OP apparently lives in Los Angeles. I live there as well. There is almost always an intersection with proper turning lanes within a few blocks. I'm going to keep my eyes open for places where this isn't the case, but none occur to me at the moment.
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